Academic experience at Mundo Verde in the 1st-3rd grade years

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Anonymous wrote:Also, don't make a decision for your family based on what you read on DCUM. This goes for any school. Only the very fervent supporters or detractors take time in this space. The other 99% of us are somewhere in between.


I don't know, I read a lot of in between posts here. But I agree you should probably give the in betweeners more weight and beware of the super negative or positive on any school. Usually there are both, unless something is seriously wrong at the school in which case you'll get a ton of negative (ahem, SSMA).

What you should do is use detailed feedback from those who clearly attend the school to then ask questions either of the school or of current parents directly.


+100. What's notable in this thread is nobody stepping up to validate MV academics.


My child doesn’t go to MVP but I can tell you it’s much better than our IB neighborhood school. The cohort is also much better performing. And keep in mind that many who post negative comments don’t say where their child goes to school and how it compares to MV.



Better than your IB is faint praise.


Don’t think so when there is 30+ percentage difference in competency. But hey you can stay at your IB school while many families play the lottery for better ones.


Sure but if you don't name the IB, people won't know that. Having better scores than Langley or Walker-Jones is not very impressive unless you say how much better.


Irrelevant when I just said how much better. That spread also is not uncommon looking at many of the IB non-Capitol Hill schools EOTP.

But hey nothing to see here with that spread and low turnover of families who leave MV compared to many of the neighborhood schools who bleed out families in the upper grades.


MV scores still aren't that great, especially for the demographics. If I really wanted Spanish I'd move IB for Bancroft or Oyster. Far better scores.


Here’s news for you. Many families are not interested in moving. And we don’t care about demographics. We don’t care if the kids are black, white, Asian, rich or poor. We care about a large peer group being at or above grade level.




Ok, go ahead and pat yourself on the back for scores for high-income kids that are way lower than for similar kids elsewhere in the city.



Mundo doesn’t get to kick out special needs kids like oyster.

Also id take lower test scores over having no self esteem after the military like scream discipline you find at oyster.


I have heard of some of the tactics they use at Oyster. No thanks.
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I don't know, I read a lot of in between posts here. But I agree you should probably give the in betweeners more weight and beware of the super negative or positive on any school. Usually there are both, unless something is seriously wrong at the school in which case you'll get a ton of negative (ahem, SSMA).

What you should do is use detailed feedback from those who clearly attend the school to then ask questions either of the school or of current parents directly.

+100. What's notable in this thread is nobody stepping up to validate MV academics.

My child doesn’t go to MVP but I can tell you it’s much better than our IB neighborhood school. The cohort is also much better performing. And keep in mind that many who post negative comments don’t say where their child goes to school and how it compares to MV.






Ok, go ahead and pat yourself on the back for scores for high-income kids that are way lower than for similar kids elsewhere in the city.

Oh you mean the rich WOTP kids who don’t go to a Spanish language immersion school? Just like all the different schools you cherry pick to throw out there because you have an agenda or resentment against MV?

It’s actually sad really that you were unlucky in the lottery and can’t be happy for other families.


Not the posters you're referencing but I'll bite with specifics. I have 7 years of experience at MVP. I moved my youngest to Bancroft for lots of reasons, and many of them are academic related.
MV looks like it performs okay on PAARC because of favorable testing demographics relative to the city as a whole. But when you look closely, each group is fairing poorly, usually doing worse than how that group does on average elsewhere in the city. It is only the total score at MV that looks okay-but-not-great. Versus Bancroft (also a mixed-income, language-immersion school):

AA passing% 22EL 22 MATH at MV vs. 44/63 at Bancroft
Hisp passing% 29EL 36 MATH at MV vs. 42/43 at Bancroft
White passing% 62EL 69 MATH at MV vs 93/93 at Bancroft

Its not all about standardized tests (I thought MV came up short in other areas too), but that's the easiest thing to compare here.



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People are actually downplaying how bad the academics are. At the beginning of 3rd grade, the administration actually held a huge meeting to BRAG that not that many kids had LOST knowledge during 2nd grade.
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Anonymous wrote:People are actually downplaying how bad the academics are. At the beginning of 3rd grade, the administration actually held a huge meeting to BRAG that not that many kids had LOST knowledge during 2nd grade.


What? This year?
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Anonymous wrote:People are actually downplaying how bad the academics are. At the beginning of 3rd grade, the administration actually held a huge meeting to BRAG that not that many kids had LOST knowledge during 2nd grade.


What? This year?


It may have happened again, but I know this happened 3 years ago. Huge teacher turnover in that grade that year so they held a grade-wide emergency meeting. These parents were the most vocal opponents of the expansion, which was being debated then. They managed to get it delayed a year.
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I posted this awkwardly before so am trying again...

It simply isn't true to say MV test scores are low-ish because it is an immersion school and isn't "west of the Park." The favorable testing demographics mask what is really a poor performance across each individual demographic.

2019 PARRC scores below versus Bancroft (also a mixed-income, language-immersion school):

AA passing% 22EL 22 MATH at MV vs. 44/63 at Bancroft
Hisp passing% 29EL 36 MATH at MV vs. 42/43 at Bancroft
White passing% 62EL 69 MATH at MV vs 93/93 at Bancroft

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I posted this awkwardly before so am trying again...

It simply isn't true to say MV test scores are low-ish because it is an immersion school and isn't "west of the Park." The favorable testing demographics mask what is really a poor performance across each individual demographic.

2019 PARRC scores below versus Bancroft (also a mixed-income, language-immersion school):

AA passing% 22EL 22 MATH at MV vs. 44/63 at Bancroft
Hisp passing% 29EL 36 MATH at MV vs. 42/43 at Bancroft
White passing% 62EL 69 MATH at MV vs 93/93 at Bancroft



Hey Bancroft, not interested in picking and choosing things. All we care about is total percentage of kids who are grade level at PARCC (4) for peer group. We don't care about anything below 4 with PARCC. We also don’t care about ethnic breakdown. We care about total percentage. MV (45%/47%) tops Bancroft (34%, 39%) in both ELA and Math by about 10% points.

Lastly, we don’t care about Bancroft numbers anyway because the majority of families looking at MV don’t live IB for Bancroft. The majority live in EOTP schools that are way, way below the scores of MV.

And yes we know you are the vocal poster who does not like MV.
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However you slice and dice it, MVP consistently has the longest waitlist for prek 3 every year usually in the 500’s and moves maybe 3-5 spots. So if some of you don’t like the school or are easily swayed by DCUM posters, move on. There are hundreds more who are waiting to grab the spot. LOL!
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I posted this awkwardly before so am trying again...

It simply isn't true to say MV test scores are low-ish because it is an immersion school and isn't "west of the Park." The favorable testing demographics mask what is really a poor performance across each individual demographic.

2019 PARRC scores below versus Bancroft (also a mixed-income, language-immersion school):

AA passing% 22EL 22 MATH at MV vs. 44/63 at Bancroft
Hisp passing% 29EL 36 MATH at MV vs. 42/43 at Bancroft
White passing% 62EL 69 MATH at MV vs 93/93 at Bancroft



Hey Bancroft, not interested in picking and choosing things. All we care about is total percentage of kids who are grade level at PARCC (4) for peer group. We don't care about anything below 4 with PARCC. We also don’t care about ethnic breakdown. We care about total percentage. MV (45%/47%) tops Bancroft (34%, 39%) in both ELA and Math by about 10% points.

Lastly, we don’t care about Bancroft numbers anyway because the majority of families looking at MV don’t live IB for Bancroft. The majority live in EOTP schools that are way, way below the scores of MV.

And yes we know you are the vocal poster who does not like MV.


Speak for yourself. As someone who lives EOTP, is a POC, and cares about both academics and Spanish, I think the pp highlights important information. And I think this poster had a child attend MV. I care about the breakdown.
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Anonymous wrote:However you slice and dice it, MVP consistently has the longest waitlist for prek 3 every year usually in the 500’s and moves maybe 3-5 spots. So if some of you don’t like the school or are easily swayed by DCUM posters, move on. There are hundreds more who are waiting to grab the spot. LOL!


Or Pk3 parents are clueless. If we're talking about waitlists, what accounts for the 100+ K offers last year?
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Anonymous wrote:
I posted this awkwardly before so am trying again...

It simply isn't true to say MV test scores are low-ish because it is an immersion school and isn't "west of the Park." The favorable testing demographics mask what is really a poor performance across each individual demographic.

2019 PARRC scores below versus Bancroft (also a mixed-income, language-immersion school):

AA passing% 22EL 22 MATH at MV vs. 44/63 at Bancroft
Hisp passing% 29EL 36 MATH at MV vs. 42/43 at Bancroft
White passing% 62EL 69 MATH at MV vs 93/93 at Bancroft



Hey Bancroft, not interested in picking and choosing things. All we care about is total percentage of kids who are grade level at PARCC (4) for peer group. We don't care about anything below 4 with PARCC. We also don’t care about ethnic breakdown. We care about total percentage. MV (45%/47%) tops Bancroft (34%, 39%) in both ELA and Math by about 10% points.

Lastly, we don’t care about Bancroft numbers anyway because the majority of families looking at MV don’t live IB for Bancroft. The majority live in EOTP schools that are way, way below the scores of MV.

And yes we know you are the vocal poster who does not like MV.


Speak for yourself. As someone who lives EOTP, is a POC, and cares about both academics and Spanish, I think the pp highlights important information. And I think this poster had a child attend MV. I care about the breakdown.


Poster is trying to justify to herself the move.

The breakdown isn’t even for kids at competency or grade level. If you care more about the breakdown then having competency, then you are in the minority. We would all like to have diverse classrooms but not at the expense of a competent peer group. Hence why many families bail in K - 3rd in many EOTP DCPS schools.
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No dog in this fight. We’re not entering the lottery. My kid goes to an EOTP immersion school and is getting a rigorous education and amazing Spanish. People who’ve left for MV have told us they are disappointed about the academics.
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Anonymous wrote:However you slice and dice it, MVP consistently has the longest waitlist for prek 3 every year usually in the 500’s and moves maybe 3-5 spots. So if some of you don’t like the school or are easily swayed by DCUM posters, move on. There are hundreds more who are waiting to grab the spot. LOL!


Or Pk3 parents are clueless. If we're talking about waitlists, what accounts for the 100+ K offers last year?


Easy, the union issue and plans to open the new campus. That year was an outlier and you know it.
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Anonymous wrote:No dog in this fight. We’re not entering the lottery. My kid goes to an EOTP immersion school and is getting a rigorous education and amazing Spanish. People who’ve left for MV have told us they are disappointed about the academics.


Why don’t you tell us what school you are at PP, then we can decide.
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My kids were at MV and later switched schools (we moved out of DC). They were behind in their new school, particularly in math, where there were concepts they had not learned that their new school had already taught. It was particularly frustrating since the teachers at MV had told us that the math was too slow for my kids but they were not supposed to give them more advanced work.
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