Mcps has a dropout problem

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Another racist thread..
This is both sad and infuriating.

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Former High School ESOL counselor here in MoCo. . These (mostly undocumented) students come here to work to support their families back home. They DO NOT come to learn algebra II or about the Industrial Revolution.

Different cultures value different things.

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Anonymous wrote:Former High School ESOL counselor here in MoCo. . These (mostly undocumented) students come here to work to support their families back home. They DO NOT come to learn algebra II or about the Industrial Revolution.

Different cultures value different things.

To be sure, my kids also don't come to school to learn Algebra II or about the Industrial Revolution. It happens, because they're at school, but they'd be perfectly happy if the topics were never mentioned.

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Anonymous wrote:Former High School ESOL counselor here in MoCo. . These (mostly undocumented) students come here to work to support their families back home. They DO NOT come to learn algebra II or about the Industrial Revolution.

Different cultures value different things.

Very true.

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Anonymous wrote:Former High School ESOL counselor here in MoCo. . These (mostly undocumented) students come here to work to support their families back home. They DO NOT come to learn algebra II or about the Industrial Revolution.

Different cultures value different things.

As I mentioned before - if their families value money (or other things) more than education, that is fine. Don't use public resources to help "solve" this issue - there is NO issue. This is how our society is, just let it be.

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You racist people are a blight on society

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The amount of stereotyping, misinformation, ignorance, fear and outright racism and heartlessness in this thread is mind boggling.

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Anonymous wrote:What probably isn't covered is that some of the dropouts perhaps move to an entirely different state or may go back to their home countries. Non-American native populations are highly transient. It doesn't make sense to waste money on students who frequently move around. In fact, there are lots of services already in place for students and families who struggle with poverty [food drives, schools partnerships with food banks and clothing banks, etc.]. MCPS has free Saturday school and after-school homework help hotline.

There are lots of students who work and go to school, they are not dropping out.

For the umpteenth time: Saturday School is not free.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/schools/argylems/Program%20Flyer%20English%2018-19%20Final.pdf

True, but it's only $40. Also, our Focus school DOES offer weekly after-school tutoring help at the low-income apartments that feed into the school.

There are also lots of free online resources, that can be used for kids who are transient.

$40 is a lot of groceries at Aldi’s[b]. And it can’t be paid in installments. Plus you have to get there on Saturday morning when there aren’t school buses and Ride On isn’t free for minors. Also, many people have more than one child and a teen might be required to babysit on Saturday so that the parents can work.

True. But it's cheaper than a new iPhone. And, cheaper than getting your nails done weekly, and your ombre dye job.

The illegal immigrants living in my neighborhood all seem to have late model cars (Camrys, Siennas, Odysseys - Japanese models), so driving shouldn't be an issue.

Also, I believe there is a new program that is offering free bus service to students in MoCo.

My school’s immigrant students don’t have new iPhones or professionally dyed hair or nails. They don’t have family cars. They wear used clothes from our donation drive. They catch the ride on or walk. The ride on is free from 2-7 on week days during the school year.

Dollar tree sells hair dye and nail polish. It’s $1. I don’t begrudge a teen girl a couple bucks worth of beauty products each month.

You are likely assuming people are illegal.

No, I'm not assuming. We know these families. Our kids attend school together. It's not a secret, at least not in Montgomery County.

Your school's immigrant students catch the ride on to get to school? Are they attending schools that are outside of their zoned area? Because MCPS provides bus service. The only kids in my area who take Ride On, are the ones committing residency fraud and attending schools outside of boundary.

Nope. We have a gerrymander-shaped district. Kids who live within a few blocks walk. Middle class kids who live further away ride the school bus or are dropped off by parent. However many poor kids who are supposed to walk within the mile would need to cross a 6-8 lane road during rush hour to do so. Others would need to cross a similar road to get to the school bus stop. It’s not safe. I would not allow my own child to do it.

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Anonymous wrote:What probably isn't covered is that some of the dropouts perhaps move to an entirely different state or may go back to their home countries. Non-American native populations are highly transient. It doesn't make sense to waste money on students who frequently move around. In fact, there are lots of services already in place for students and families who struggle with poverty [food drives, schools partnerships with food banks and clothing banks, etc.]. MCPS has free Saturday school and after-school homework help hotline.

There are lots of students who work and go to school, they are not dropping out.

For the umpteenth time: Saturday School is not free.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/schools/argylems/Program%20Flyer%20English%2018-19%20Final.pdf

True, but it's only $40. Also, our Focus school DOES offer weekly after-school tutoring help at the low-income apartments that feed into the school.

There are also lots of free online resources, that can be used for kids who are transient.

$40 is a lot of groceries at Aldi’s. And it can’t be paid in installments. Plus you have to get there on Saturday morning when there aren’t school buses and Ride On isn’t free for minors. Also, many people have more than one child and a teen might be required to babysit on Saturday so that the parents can work.

Ride-On is actually free for minors, who told you that lie. https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/dot-transit/kidsridefree/index.html

Saturday school often tries to work with families that economically disadvantaged, however, many of these families are living 10-15 in one house. Surely, between that many people they can come up with $40.

That law went into effect July 1 of this year. So my information is 30 days out of date, but it applied to ALL last school year and for years before that.

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Anonymous wrote:Objectively high school is incredibly easy. The people who don’t well refuse to study do homework etc. I knew very smart people who did poorly because they didn’t bother trying but as they got older their work study ethic improved .

This is the sort of topic that brings out the ignorance and unkindness in people. Prime example here. High school is not incredibly easy. Many kids struggle even if they study and do homework. Add to that language barriers in both student and family and also the stress of financial concerns. While there is a set of kids who have an incredibly easy time in high school, it is definitely not the norm.

Students struggle because they want to do well. If they just want to pass, it is not hard - "incredibly easy" may be a bit exaggerating, but certainly not hard.

high school, especially on level or remedial is simple. Compare high school to taking the bar exam . Which is much harder ?

If you moved to Sweden at age 15 and had three years to master Swedish, make enough money to help pay rent, and take care of your younger siblings, do you think that would be “not hard”? The cultural and linguistic transition and the economic needs are a huge deal.

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Anonymous wrote:Objectively high school is incredibly easy. The people who don’t well refuse to study do homework etc. I knew very smart people who did poorly because they didn’t bother trying but as they got older their work study ethic improved .

This is the sort of topic that brings out the ignorance and unkindness in people. Prime example here. High school is not incredibly easy. Many kids struggle even if they study and do homework. Add to that language barriers in both student and family and also the stress of financial concerns. While there is a set of kids who have an incredibly easy time in high school, it is definitely not the norm.

Students struggle because they want to do well. If they just want to pass, it is not hard - "incredibly easy" may be a bit exaggerating, but certainly not hard.

high school, especially on level or remedial is simple. Compare high school to taking the bar exam . Which is much harder ?

If you moved to Sweden at age 15 and had three years to master Swedish, make enough money to help pay rent, and take care of your younger siblings, do you think that would be “not hard”? The cultural and linguistic transition and the economic needs are a huge deal.

so why are you encouraging people to come here if it means they remain uneducated and only able to do manual labor? You want a permanent underclass reliant on the state and you get a loyal voter out if it

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Anonymous wrote:Well over half are either in ESOL or are Hispanic https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2019/07/montgomery-co-public-schools-have-a-dropout-problem-heres-why/

Well I guest the response to this topic says it: who cares?

I am not being sarcastic. I truly believe that if these students and/or their families do not care, others should not (yes, SHOULD not - or at least PUBLIC RESOURCES should not be used to deal with this).

They care, but often they are facing very immediate economic needs that can’t wait two to three years to address. A third income earner can make the difference between rent or eviction, vegetables and fruit or malnutrition. This was not an unusual pattern in white immigrant families two generations ago. My XH’s grandmother left school at 15 to work FT in a store. Her sacrifice made it possible for the family to survive and her younger siblings to graduate HS. T

Many schools provide three meals to kids on FARMs.

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Anonymous wrote:Another racist thread..
This is both sad and infuriating.

https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/BEBM2D591C6C/$file/Student%20Attendance%20Pathway%20Engagement%20190729.pdf
the board report

Of course, the blame will be placed on teachers for not making school "welcoming" enough and not being unable to push kids up multiple reading levels in one year.

same old . . .

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Anonymous wrote:Well over half are either in ESOL or are Hispanic https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2019/07/montgomery-co-public-schools-have-a-dropout-problem-heres-why/

Well I guest the response to this topic says it: who cares?

I am not being sarcastic. I truly believe that if these students and/or their families do not care, others should not (yes, SHOULD not - or at least PUBLIC RESOURCES should not be used to deal with this).

They care, but often they are facing very immediate economic needs that can’t wait two to three years to address. A third income earner can make the difference between rent or eviction, vegetables and fruit or malnutrition. This was not an unusual pattern in white immigrant families two generations ago. My XH’s grandmother left school at 15 to work FT in a store. Her sacrifice made it possible for the family to survive and her younger siblings to graduate HS. T

Many schools provide three meals to kids on FARMs.

But households also include kids too young for school (and therefore FARMs) and adults too old. There are students who bring home part of their school lunch to feed younger siblings.

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Anonymous wrote:Objectively high school is incredibly easy. The people who don’t well refuse to study do homework etc. I knew very smart people who did poorly because they didn’t bother trying but as they got older their work study ethic improved .

This is the sort of topic that brings out the ignorance and unkindness in people. Prime example here. High school is not incredibly easy. Many kids struggle even if they study and do homework. Add to that language barriers in both student and family and also the stress of financial concerns. While there is a set of kids who have an incredibly easy time in high school, it is definitely not the norm.

Students struggle because they want to do well. If they just want to pass, it is not hard - "incredibly easy" may be a bit exaggerating, but certainly not hard.

high school, especially on level or remedial is simple. Compare high school to taking the bar exam . Which is much harder ?

You are a moron.

You can't compare HS to the bar exam which is a POST law school test!

And you don't get into law school w/o a HS degree.