Mcps has a dropout problem

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:there were far fewer social services then than now . I’m high school I had all sorts of extracurricular activities and worked 15 hours a week. My father grew up dirt poor in Roxbury . Zero social welfare benefits and he worked nearly fulll time in high school and got a full ride scholarship to northeastern . It can be done if people don’t excuse failure

Scoring 70 points in an NBA game can be done, too. But we don't blame people for not doing it and tell them they're excusing failure.

DP

What?

Everyone is expected to graduate HS, because that is a realistic goal for most people. Not everyone is expected to play in the NBA.

Everyone is expected to graduate from high school, but some people have a lot more barriers to overcome in order to achieve this goal than others. And just because some people do overcome barriers to achieve this goal doesn't mean that the barriers are just "excuses for failure."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Objectively high school is incredibly easy. The people who don’t well refuse to study do homework etc. I knew very smart people who did poorly because they didn’t bother trying but as they got older their work study ethic improved .

You didn't read the link in the OP, did you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Well over half are either in ESOL or are Hispanic https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2019/07/montgomery-co-public-schools-have-a-dropout-problem-heres-why/

Well I guest the response to this topic says it: who cares?

I am not being sarcastic. I truly believe that if these students and/or their families do not care, others should not (yes, SHOULD not - or at least PUBLIC RESOURCES should not be used to deal with this).

They care, but often they are facing very immediate economic needs that can’t wait two to three years to address. A third income earner can make the difference between rent or eviction, vegetables and fruit or malnutrition. This was not an unusual pattern in white immigrant families two generations ago. My XH’s grandmother left school at 15 to work FT in a store. Her sacrifice made it possible for the family to survive and her younger siblings to graduate HS. T

when I was in mcps I went to school with very poor immigrants from South Asia . They managed to not only bot drop out they also got into Ivy League colleges

South Asian immigrants in MoCo are seldom living 15-20 people in a three bedroom house and worrying if they will be detained by ICE despite having papers. I’ve taught both populations. Generally the poor South Asians have college educated parents who can help them academically. They also are not usually fleeing violence in the homeland and dealing with PTSD. Lastly, white teachers typically welcome the South Asian students. All of this matters. Some Latinx students don’t drop out so much as they are pushed out.

[Anonymous]

What probably isn't covered is that some of the dropouts perhaps move to an entirely different state or may go back to their home countries. Non-American native populations are highly transient. It doesn't make sense to waste money on students who frequently move around. In fact, there are lots of services already in place for students and families who struggle with poverty [food drives, schools partnerships with food banks and clothing banks, etc.]. MCPS has free Saturday school and after-school homework help hotline.

There are lots of students who work and go to school, they are not dropping out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What probably isn't covered is that some of the dropouts perhaps move to an entirely different state or may go back to their home countries. Non-American native populations are highly transient. It doesn't make sense to waste money on students who frequently move around. In fact, there are lots of services already in place for students and families who struggle with poverty [food drives, schools partnerships with food banks and clothing banks, etc.]. MCPS has free Saturday school and after-school homework help hotline.

There are lots of students who work and go to school, they are not dropping out.

For the umpteenth time: Saturday School is not free.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/schools/argylems/Program%20Flyer%20English%2018-19%20Final.pdf

[Anonymous]

Is it really that huge a deal? Those who want to, will get their GED. Those who do not will find employment anyway.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What probably isn't covered is that some of the dropouts perhaps move to an entirely different state or may go back to their home countries. Non-American native populations are highly transient. It doesn't make sense to waste money on students who frequently move around. In fact, there are lots of services already in place for students and families who struggle with poverty [food drives, schools partnerships with food banks and clothing banks, etc.]. MCPS has free Saturday school and after-school homework help hotline.

There are lots of students who work and go to school, they are not dropping out.

For the umpteenth time: Saturday School is not free.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/schools/argylems/Program%20Flyer%20English%2018-19%20Final.pdf

Jeff should sticky that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Well over half are either in ESOL or are Hispanic https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2019/07/montgomery-co-public-schools-have-a-dropout-problem-heres-why/

Well I guest the response to this topic says it: who cares?

I am not being sarcastic. I truly believe that if these students and/or their families do not care, others should not (yes, SHOULD not - or at least PUBLIC RESOURCES should not be used to deal with this).

They care, but often they are facing very immediate economic needs that can’t wait two to three years to address. A third income earner can make the difference between rent or eviction, vegetables and fruit or malnutrition. This was not an unusual pattern in white immigrant families two generations ago. My XH’s grandmother left school at 15 to work FT in a store. Her sacrifice made it possible for the family to survive and her younger siblings to graduate HS. T

when I was in mcps I went to school with very poor immigrants from South Asia . They managed to not only bot drop out they also got into Ivy League colleges

South Asian immigrants in MoCo are seldom living 15-20 people in a three bedroom house and worrying if they will be detained by ICE despite having papers. I’ve taught both populations. Generally the poor South Asians have college educated parents who can help them academically. They also are not usually fleeing violence in the homeland and dealing with PTSD. Lastly, white teachers typically welcome the South Asian students. All of this matters. Some Latinx students don’t drop out so much as they are pushed out.

the cost of living has gone way up. Why does the county encourage people to come here illegally to live in those conditions?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well over half are either in ESOL or are Hispanic https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2019/07/montgomery-co-public-schools-have-a-dropout-problem-heres-why/

So not shocked, and to think about the kids whose education has been downgraded to accommodate this, how sad. Predictable though.

[Anonymous]

The next step is the county will ban them from dropping out and there will be more class disruptions as a result

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The next step is the county will ban them from dropping out and there will be more class disruptions as a result

Let's hope not. I hope the students themselves and parents will band together to prevent class disruptions. The county has no business regulating people's personal choices and decisions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What probably isn't covered is that some of the dropouts perhaps move to an entirely different state or may go back to their home countries. Non-American native populations are highly transient. It doesn't make sense to waste money on students who frequently move around. In fact, there are lots of services already in place for students and families who struggle with poverty [food drives, schools partnerships with food banks and clothing banks, etc.]. MCPS has free Saturday school and after-school homework help hotline.

There are lots of students who work and go to school, they are not dropping out.

For the umpteenth time: Saturday School is not free.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/schools/argylems/Program%20Flyer%20English%2018-19%20Final.pdf

True, but it's only $40. Also, our Focus school DOES offer weekly after-school tutoring help at the low-income apartments that feed into the school.

There are also lots of free online resources, that can be used for kids who are transient.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well over half are either in ESOL or are Hispanic https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2019/07/montgomery-co-public-schools-have-a-dropout-problem-heres-why/

Well I guest the response to this topic says it: who cares?

I am not being sarcastic. I truly believe that if these students and/or their families do not care, others should not (yes, SHOULD not - or at least PUBLIC RESOURCES should not be used to deal with this).

They care, but often they are facing very immediate economic needs that can’t wait two to three years to address. A third income earner can make the difference between rent or eviction, vegetables and fruit or malnutrition. This was not an unusual pattern in white immigrant families two generations ago. My XH’s grandmother left school at 15 to work FT in a store. Her sacrifice made it possible for the family to survive and her younger siblings to graduate HS. T

when I was in mcps I went to school with very poor immigrants from South Asia . They managed to not only bot drop out they also got into Ivy League colleges

South Asian immigrants in MoCo are seldom living 15-20 people in a three bedroom house and worrying if they will be detained by ICE despite having papers. I’ve taught both populations. Generally the poor South Asians have college educated parents who can help them academically. They also are not usually fleeing violence in the homeland and dealing with PTSD. Lastly, white teachers typically welcome the South Asian students. All of this matters. Some Latinx students don’t drop out so much as they are pushed out.

Not in Montgomery County.

And, talk about incorrect racial stereotypes. There are lots of illegal immigrants of ALL races living with multiple families in a 3 bedroom house in MoCO. We have several of these in our neighborhood, and there are populated by Jews, Asians, Latinos and Portuguese immigrants. Some legal, some not.

And, poor South Asians have college educated parents?? BS. Who does your nails? Can almost guarantee your nail lady is not college educated. Just as tough for her to help her kids.

You need to check your own racist assumptions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well over half are either in ESOL or are Hispanic https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2019/07/montgomery-co-public-schools-have-a-dropout-problem-heres-why/

Well I guest the response to this topic says it: who cares?

I am not being sarcastic. I truly believe that if these students and/or their families do not care, others should not (yes, SHOULD not - or at least PUBLIC RESOURCES should not be used to deal with this).

Did you read the article the OP linked to?

Yes I did. And I regret to say, the writer was not doing a great job organizing the article. She first mentioned economic hardship. Then changed topics to teacher instructions (to be relevant, to reteach ...) What exactly is her point?

Anyway - if it is economic hardship - it is not MCPS's problem and don't try to make it so.
If it is a teaching issue, then something may need to be done but for most people here I highly doubt that they would be very enthusiastic about changing the teaching style to something like "reteach" "slow down" to make the "dropout" situation better.

[Anonymous]

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Yes I did. And I regret to say, the writer was not doing a great job organizing the article. She first mentioned economic hardship. Then changed topics to teacher instructions (to be relevant, to reteach ...) What exactly is her point?

Anyway - if it is economic hardship - it is not MCPS's problem and don't try to make it so.
If it is a teaching issue, then something may need to be done but for most people here I highly doubt that they would be very enthusiastic about changing the teaching style to something like "reteach" "slow down" to make the "dropout" situation better.

If people are dropping out of school because of economic hardship, then it is MCPS's problem.