Your GIFs game is on point. Props, for that. But I care a lot more about reading your thoughts on the issue. Please don't get me wrong, I get it - the issue is not something we're proud of and it is difficult to discuss because it's hurting us in very personal ways. But we can control what we share in these dcum forums, so I didn't see harm in creating a space for us to share the thoughts we're willing/able to share. I believe there's value in that sharing - that's why I opened the thread. No jollies, but mature and thoughtful exchanges. |
NP here and I also find you suspect OP. I can easily think of half a dozen more appropriate forums to have an honest discussion if you’re not trolling. And no I’m not mentioning those other forums here. |
Yes, this is why we moved to the burbs. |
I'm OP and I'm not sure I can speak to what you find suspect about my post. I did give some thought to where I posted it before deciding to open it here. As you know, people post all kinds of things under Off-Topic - it's a catch-all kind of forum - so I went with it. I just figured if Mr. Steele and his colleagues saw fit for it under another forum, they would move it. But yes, I am a being real, here - this discussion is important to me and I'm doing my best to read/respond as quickly as I can. No trolling, I promise. Thank you. |
After visiting the African American history museum and viewing years 1400 through now, it all makes sense. No one else answer what you think or give any stats. Just take the metro to DC and educate yourselves. Then give a thoughtful post. |
I have driven Lyft and Uber for the past several years in DC
The cause is very easy to find. There are too many black folks who don't know how to parent properly. Babies and kids are ignored, yelled at, cussed at, etc and experience all sorts of trauma from an early age which screws them up for life. This has nothing to do with racism it's failure to parent period. I'll add once you get to the middle class these problems largely go away because people actually know how to raise children properly and there are plenty of poor white folks who can't parent either. |
I'm black and get annoyed when this is brought up. It's never going to happen. Why spend your time obsessing about a pipe dream. Find real solutions! |
I'm white but I was a teacher in SE and I agree with others who have said there is no epidemic of somehow irredeemable young black men. They're just young men. Kids are the same everywhere.
I agree that childhood stress and poor parenting (for a host of reasons) contribute to why more kids in some neighborhoods end up committing crimes (including whole swaths of white America, but different crimes with different consequences). When that combines with a microculture of young men AND WOMEN who a) don't believe that there's a path to success for them in mainstream culture, because they've given up on school or been incarcerated and they can't envision themselves in a good job with a stable life in the future b)buy into an alternate culture where they can achieve a sense of self worth even if it's based on crime/violence c)feel desperation/hopelessness d)become extremely geographically/culturally isolated that's when you get violent crime problems that aren't directly related to economic incentives (e.g. muggings or profitable criminal enterprise (a lot of it isn't really profitable)). |
Pp is suggesting a forum other than dcum. Dcum has some serious racists and trolls. I guess everywhere does, but this sort of topic doesn’t work very well in this particular, anonymous, space. |
The pp doesn't mean which forum on DCUM. The pp means, if you're really trying to effect change in the black community and want to know from people in the black community what the underlying problems are, there are other forums than DCUM that would be more effective. I'm willing to bet there isn't a huge number of black posters on DCUM. Getting opinions from a predominantly white forum isn't going to effect change. I agree with the pp. |
White person here. PP, you are absolutely right. My hope is that as more and more white people realize this, we will actually stop tolerating racism overt or systemic enough to change our culture. |
1- Not all black people live in the same community
2- Are you addressing African-Americans, Afro Caribbean Americans, African immigrants, Black folks from the Caribbean, which black people are you talking to because we don’t all have the same issues, live in the same place and are you really asking white people what black folks need to do to ‘ make us better’ you must be smoking the biggest crack rock in America. |
How about as a black person I’ll answer this question when you start a thread asking white people what they need to do or Vietnamese people what they need to do, or Russian people what they need to do this is some ignorant mess. |
Ok this is ridiculous OP. So unless you get paid well you can’t love and care for your kids? Cook or clean at home? I’m Hispanic and my parents came here as immigrants and through their love and care a I succeeded. My mom worked as cafeteria lady, we were dirt poor. Their money did not afford me the best school, I went to a regular public school, middle school was horrible with gangs. I’m now a parent two two boys. One with autism. I dedicate time to him and he succeeds. I recognize that now I have an economic component that other kids don’t have. But it goes hand in hand. IEPs also don’t cost money, it’s a law that schools have to provide. But As other black men said, they practice self care and do the best they can. Showing up and hard work gets you far, even when the stakes are against you. This is why immigrants come here. Granted I’m also aware blacks experience another level of racism Hispanics don’t. OP’s examples of people who kill senselessly are not related to blacks. Any race can do that. The Hispanic man who shot that woman in San Francisco, etc. these are just people with no social network, no church, job, family (again not bought with money!), and emotional battered. Probably no role models either, mixed with the $ aspect. And drugs. It kills any sense of morality or care for humanity. OP do you think this from reading the news. The news is sensational. |
Of course you can love and take care of your kids in poverty. But poverty adds stress, and reduces resources (by definition). When coupled with things like lead poisoning, bad schools, bad housing, lack of outdoor play space that already disadvantage these kids ... poverty makes it MUCH MUCH harder for parents to take care of kids and prevent behavioral issues. The parents don't actually love their kids any less -- that I am clear on -- but stress & poverty must make good parenting so much harder. And IEPs don't cost money, are you joking? Do you know the number of hours & personal expertise & professional/personal capital I had to dedicate to get my child's IEP ... and the money it takes to enroll him in a school that will implement it well? |