RFP for county-wide boundary analysis

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MoCo is so screwed. This will be a big win for HoCo and NoVa.

HoCo does boundary rezoning every couple years. Doesn't seem to have screwed them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MoCo is so screwed. This will be a big win for HoCo and NoVa.

HoCo does boundary rezoning every couple years. Doesn't seem to have screwed them.

Don’t be daft. MCPS is undertaking something on a much larger scale here. Neither MCPS nor HCPS issues an RFP “every couple years.”

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Anonymous wrote:MOCO white flight is real. Leaving for NoVa and HoCo.

Incoming illegal immigrants #2 place in the entire country to go to is MOCO - 2nd after LA.

The shift is real and it is happening very quick. Get out while you can.

Did you know that HoCo and a couple of the NoVa school districts are going through boundary analysis/change keeping "diversity" in mind? Good luck to you.

Their diversity isn’t poor illegal aliens.

You don't think FFX has poor illegal aliens? um.. ok. I think you need to take a yonder over to the FFX/va school forum for a bit.

+1 illegal immigration is a problem in NoVa. You are delusional if you think overwise.

Not the PP, but I have lived in both. I still have family in NoVa. It is not nearly as bad. They are not a sanctuary state/county. They have a lot of middle eastern immigrants. They are mostly legal and most are educated or actually take education seriously. It is night and day.

They must not live in Annandale, Bailey’s Crossroads, Herndon, South Arlington, or Springfield, or near Route 1 in Alexandria.

+ 1 NoVa has take in a lot of unaccompanied minors, too.

And what does "Sanctuary City" mean, exactly? Because looks like FFX won't even honor ICE detainers, whereas MoCo will with probably cause.

https://cis.org/Map-Sanctuary-Cities-Counties-and-States

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MoCo is so screwed. This will be a big win for HoCo and NoVa.

HoCo does boundary rezoning every couple years. Doesn't seem to have screwed them.

Don’t be daft. MCPS is undertaking something on a much larger scale here. Neither MCPS nor HCPS issues an RFP “every couple years.”

DP.. I think you are being daft. The first PP is saying MCPS is screwed because of the boundary changes. Guess what, HoCo hired a consultant to look at boundary changes, too.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/maryland/howard/ph-ho-cf-howard-school-board-redistricting-0131-story.html

[Anonymous]

Neither Howard or anywhere in NOVA is looking at plucking out neighborhoods of kids based on their race and income to bus them past 1 or even 2 schools to balance out diversity. When NOVA and Howard talk about changing things its using a dial approach where they may slightly expand or shift but its nothing radical. They know that their residents wouldn't tolerate it and unlike MCPS seem to care what their resident things. They also seem more intelligent than MCPS in understanding that bussing was a failed experiment which led to more not less segregation.

MCPS has a long history of stupidity and never listening to its residents, parents, teachers, students, history or data. They already have examples of creating strange boundaries to send a small ES of white kids farther away to a lower performing school. Their proposal of options for Seneca Valley show that they are more than willing to send an ES like Darnestown past not only QO to NW but then past NW to SV. They tried to pluck out a few neighborhoods in northern Gaithersburg and bus them down to Wootton but the Gaithersburg residents who were going to get bussed objected. MCPS was pissed off. Internally, they were horribly patronizing toward the GHS parents whining that they just didn't know what was good for themselves. No one -rich or poor- wants bussing for their own kids. This initiative is coming from a small echo chamber of internal MCPS people, Elrich's crew in Silver Spring and some idiots in the DCC who think they will somehow benefit financially.

MCPS will do it whether it creates a disaster or not. There is no accountability here. From their behavior during the whole 2.0 debacle, its also clear that they will not change course once its even more obvious that it isn't working and causing more harm than good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Neither Howard or anywhere in NOVA is looking at plucking out neighborhoods of kids based on their race and income to bus them past 1 or even 2 schools to balance out diversity. When NOVA and Howard talk about changing things its using a dial approach where they may slightly expand or shift but its nothing radical. They know that their residents wouldn't tolerate it and unlike MCPS seem to care what their resident things. They also seem more intelligent than MCPS in understanding that bussing was a failed experiment which led to more not less segregation.

MCPS has a long history of stupidity and never listening to its residents, parents, teachers, students, history or data. They already have examples of creating strange boundaries to send a small ES of white kids farther away to a lower performing school. Their proposal of options for Seneca Valley show that they are more than willing to send an ES like Darnestown past not only QO to NW but then past NW to SV. They tried to pluck out a few neighborhoods in northern Gaithersburg and bus them down to Wootton but the Gaithersburg residents who were going to get bussed objected. MCPS was pissed off. Internally, they were horribly patronizing toward the GHS parents whining that they just didn't know what was good for themselves. No one -rich or poor- wants bussing for their own kids. This initiative is coming from a small echo chamber of internal MCPS people, Elrich's crew in Silver Spring and some idiots in the DCC who think they will somehow benefit financially.

MCPS will do it whether it creates a disaster or not. There is no accountability here. From their behavior during the whole 2.0 debacle, its also clear that they will not change course once its even more obvious that it isn't working and causing more harm than good.

MCPS isn't looking at that either. Read the RFP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Neither Howard or anywhere in NOVA is looking at plucking out neighborhoods of kids based on their race and income to bus them past 1 or even 2 schools to balance out diversity. When NOVA and Howard talk about changing things its using a dial approach where they may slightly expand or shift but its nothing radical. They know that their residents wouldn't tolerate it and unlike MCPS seem to care what their resident things. They also seem more intelligent than MCPS in understanding that bussing was a failed experiment which led to more not less segregation.

MCPS has a long history of stupidity and never listening to its residents, parents, teachers, students, history or data. They already have examples of creating strange boundaries to send a small ES of white kids farther away to a lower performing school. Their proposal of options for Seneca Valley show that they are more than willing to send an ES like Darnestown past not only QO to NW but then past NW to SV. They tried to pluck out a few neighborhoods in northern Gaithersburg and bus them down to Wootton but the Gaithersburg residents who were going to get bussed objected. MCPS was pissed off. Internally, they were horribly patronizing toward the GHS parents whining that they just didn't know what was good for themselves. No one -rich or poor- wants bussing for their own kids. This initiative is coming from a small echo chamber of internal MCPS people, Elrich's crew in Silver Spring and some idiots in the DCC who think they will somehow benefit financially.

MCPS will do it whether it creates a disaster or not. There is no accountability here. From their behavior during the whole 2.0 debacle, its also clear that they will not change course once its even more obvious that it isn't working and causing more harm than good.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Neither Howard or anywhere in NOVA is looking at plucking out neighborhoods of kids based on their race and income to bus them past 1 or even 2 schools to balance out diversity. When NOVA and Howard talk about changing things its using a dial approach where they may slightly expand or shift but its nothing radical. They know that their residents wouldn't tolerate it and unlike MCPS seem to care what their resident things. They also seem more intelligent than MCPS in understanding that bussing was a failed experiment which led to more not less segregation.

MCPS has a long history of stupidity and never listening to its residents, parents, teachers, students, history or data. They already have examples of creating strange boundaries to send a small ES of white kids farther away to a lower performing school. Their proposal of options for Seneca Valley show that they are more than willing to send an ES like Darnestown past not only QO to NW but then past NW to SV. They tried to pluck out a few neighborhoods in northern Gaithersburg and bus them down to Wootton but the Gaithersburg residents who were going to get bussed objected. MCPS was pissed off. Internally, they were horribly patronizing toward the GHS parents whining that they just didn't know what was good for themselves. No one -rich or poor- wants bussing for their own kids. This initiative is coming from a small echo chamber of internal MCPS people, Elrich's crew in Silver Spring and some idiots in the DCC who think they will somehow benefit financially.

MCPS will do it whether it creates a disaster or not. There is no accountability here. From their behavior during the whole 2.0 debacle, its also clear that they will not change course once its even more obvious that it isn't working and causing more harm than good.

Exactly.

You are losing touch with reality. In fact they did change course when the curriculum review came out.

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Anonymous wrote:What is the color coding on this map in the article?

The caption says exiting HS clusters.

Yes, but clusters each have their own feeder patterns - minus exceptions for the DCC, NEC and magnets. See below:
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/clusteradmin/clusters/index.aspx


I'm wondering if they're first looking at rezoning by general geographic area first. For example, there's northern part that is dark (slate?) blue - Damascus, Clarksburg, Gaithersburg and Watkins Mill. WMHS is 50% FARMs, which is incredibly high. GHS has 40% FARMs, which is nothing to sneeze out. DHS is low, and CHS is about average However, I do believe that with the re-opening of SVHS, the numbers for CHS may even be lower, as there are boundary overlaps between CHS and SVHS.

So the county could shuffle around kids in general geographic areas w/o disrupting transportation patterns too much.

However, the dark gray with the high-performing schools is still untouched. I can't imagine that redistricting in that area would have much of an impact - and same could be said for the NEC and DCC, which are highly-impacted schools (or the opposite case).

just my thinking

Yup glad that in our Churchill cluster we are kind of tucked away from all the riff raff. Whitman too. Hopefully we won't be affected.

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I infer that you’re happy to gamble with other people’s lives, schools and home equity on the off chance that you’ll end up a beneficiary of this exercise. I think it’s a giant crap shoot. MoCo isn’t so essential to the region that people faced with an unattractive option in MCPS can’t and won’t look elsewhere.


I agree with this. The DCC zealots that all think they will benefit from taking down the Bethesda, Potomac or Rockville schools will be in for a big surprise. Dropping the property values and pushing the higher earners out of the county is not going to make Silver Spring suddenly attractive. Lessor areas only do well when the more desirable ones become too expensive so people are forced into the next level down. When the top falls, the bottom falls faster. As individuals, they won't benefit in the end. They will enjoy much higher taxes to make up for the even larger shortfall.



That you think this involves a "takedown" of these schools really says a lot.

Except that this is EXACTLY what the DCC zealots think. Its about taking down the "W" schools and making their own school more white. These people do not give one hoot about diversity. They love that Blair CAP is all white and fight to keep magnet spots for white kids whether they score the highest or not. They jockey to separate their kids from the local poor populations creating schools within schools. Its a very ugly group that is pushing this and it has nothing to do with helping lower income AA and hispanic kids.

I'm more concerned that my kids go to school with segregationists. There's already a racist incident at a W every other week. It's time for the school board to address segregation.

Forget about the Magnets. They need to go. You realize people want to live with their own kind, right? It is self segregation. Twinbrook ES absolutely did not want to split apart when they tried. They completely did not want that. People move here and purposely look for Asians, AA, Hispanics, Middle Easterns, etc... Even the schools that have a good amount of all of them self segregate in school anyway. You can not bus kids all over to make it look better. It won't work. Maybe MC needs to build more affordable housing in W school areas. MCPS is already a mess with traffic and bussing kids all over for IB, Magnet, Immersion, and 4/5th Gifted programs. Now you want to bus more kids around in this congested traffic filled county? No. Keep the neighborhoods together. Change a few boundary areas to even out population in some school, but stop with the thought of busing kids all over. Ridiculous, expensive, and bad for the environment.

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Anonymous wrote:Neither Howard or anywhere in NOVA is looking at plucking out neighborhoods of kids based on their race and income to bus them past 1 or even 2 schools to balance out diversity. When NOVA and Howard talk about changing things its using a dial approach where they may slightly expand or shift but its nothing radical. They know that their residents wouldn't tolerate it and unlike MCPS seem to care what their resident things. They also seem more intelligent than MCPS in understanding that bussing was a failed experiment which led to more not less segregation.

MCPS has a long history of stupidity and never listening to its residents, parents, teachers, students, history or data. They already have examples of creating strange boundaries to send a small ES of white kids farther away to a lower performing school. Their proposal of options for Seneca Valley show that they are more than willing to send an ES like Darnestown past not only QO to NW but then past NW to SV. They tried to pluck out a few neighborhoods in northern Gaithersburg and bus them down to Wootton but the Gaithersburg residents who were going to get bussed objected. MCPS was pissed off. Internally, they were horribly patronizing toward the GHS parents whining that they just didn't know what was good for themselves. No one -rich or poor- wants bussing for their own kids. This initiative is coming from a small echo chamber of internal MCPS people, Elrich's crew in Silver Spring and some idiots in the DCC who think they will somehow benefit financially.

MCPS will do it whether it creates a disaster or not. There is no accountability here. From their behavior during the whole 2.0 debacle, its also clear that they will not change course once its even more obvious that it isn't working and causing more harm than good.

Exactly.

They do boundaries based on neighborhoods and numbers in school. They do it often and keep numbers level. MCPS has allowed all new ES buildings in Potomac (Wayside, Beverly Farms, Potomac) and all of those schools plus Cold Spring are way below capacity. Meanwhile the Rockville ES schools that boundary those schools have 4-6 portable classrooms. THIS is something HoCo would have dealt with. Instead, MCPS spent a ton of time and money doing studies and then built a new school.

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PP is exactly right. MCPS can find the funding to build fancy new buildings for Wayside, Beverly Farms, Potomac, Hoover and Cabin John. Rest of county is left to rot in portables. Most of the schools in the Wootton cluster are half-empty they are so under-enrolled. Its a damn disgrace.

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Can someone provide links/evidence that a boundary analysis equals busing? Did I miss something? MCPS can barely afford the current busing levels.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MoCo is so screwed. This will be a big win for HoCo and NoVa.

We'd be so much better off if all the whiners moved. Imagine positive change without annoying opposition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can someone provide links/evidence that a boundary analysis equals busing? Did I miss something? MCPS can barely afford the current busing levels.

It doesn't that's just nonsense. They're mostly talking about adjusting the edges to improve efficiency and diversity when possible.