400,000 overdose deaths in U.S. attributed to Sackler family

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Anonymous wrote:So the manufacturers of this LEGAL product are public enemy #1, but you'll do nothing to stop the flow of ILLEGAL drugs coming into this country? Fentanyl deaths far exceed those from opioids, and when you add in cocaine and heroin, the numbers are mind-boggling.

Read up on the epidemic. We wouldn’t have a heroin or fentanyl problem if we didn’t have a prescription drug problem first.

Exactly.

Everyone should read Chasing the Scream by Johann Hari and fully educate themselves. It's the most important book you'll read in regard to addiction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the manufacturers of this LEGAL product are public enemy #1, but you'll do nothing to stop the flow of ILLEGAL drugs coming into this country? Fentanyl deaths far exceed those from opioids, and when you add in cocaine and heroin, the numbers are mind-boggling.

Read up on the epidemic. We wouldn’t have a heroin or fentanyl problem if we didn’t have a prescription drug problem first.

Exactly.

Everyone should read Chasing the Scream by Johann Hari and fully educate themselves. It's the most important book you'll read in regard to addiction.

Also Dreamland by Sam Quinones about the twin rise of prescription opioid and heroin addiction over the last 20 years. Infuriating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a nurse at a hospital in a state hit very hard by the current epidemic. Unfortunately we are one of the top. After years, it still appalls me how narcotics are over prescribed for some patients. And it's not the stereotypical ones who are the worst. They definitely get treated differently (even sometimes when their pain is legitimate). It's the person who seems totally normal. But they know how to manipulate the doctors to get drugs. And hospitals are so concerned about the scores they drill into the providers head the need to get good scores. So some doctors cave and just give in to the patients.

I've lost count of how many times patients have rated their pain a 10/10 while they casually watch TV or flip through their phone. I do extra documentation to show what I observe but I'd get in trouble if a patient complained that they said their pain was a 10 and I gave them nothing (because I thought their pain was a 2). And most doctors don't read my documentation so patient says "my pain was uncontrolled all night. The meds do nothing". And so they get more more or different dosages.

I've started to see some positive changes due to a new addiction /pain Management group at the hospital, so hopefully things are heading in the right direction.

I think the whole "keep patients happy so they give us good scores" crap that's pushed at providers and nurses is so detrimental to patient care. But the numbers are what matters

Thank you for sharing your experiences.

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Anonymous wrote:No one forced the pills down their throats.

Exactly.

And now because of these addicts, it's getting to be near impossible for someone in real pain to get any meds.

My 80 yo aunt was in terrible pain after surgery and the doctors were very reluctant to give her more pain meds. Same with my kid who got his wisdom teeth extracted in February. The oral surgeon (same one who did my daughter's 1.5 years ago) no longer gives a prescription for painkillers and instead just tells you to get Tylenol in them 30-45 mins. after leaving before the numbing wears off. His recovery was so, so, so much worse than hers because he was in so much pain. Tylenol and ice packs can only do so much. I have two more kids who will need their wisdom teeth out in the next few years and I'll be sure to find a surgeon who does give painkillers for after care.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one forced the pills down their throats.

Exactly.

And now because of these addicts, it's getting to be near impossible for someone in real pain to get any meds.

My 80 yo aunt was in terrible pain after surgery and the doctors were very reluctant to give her more pain meds. Same with my kid who got his wisdom teeth extracted in February. The oral surgeon (same one who did my daughter's 1.5 years ago) no longer gives a prescription for painkillers and instead just tells you to get Tylenol in them 30-45 mins. after leaving before the numbing wears off. His recovery was so, so, so much worse than hers because he was in so much pain. Tylenol and ice packs can only do so much. I have two more kids who will need their wisdom teeth out in the next few years and I'll be sure to find a surgeon who does give painkillers for after care.

Your aunt and children are "these addicts". They were "in real pain" when they took pain meds and became addicted. There but for the grace of God (and new rules regarding pain management) go you.

You sound just like David Sackler, who is blaming these addicts for his family's woes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a nurse at a hospital in a state hit very hard by the current epidemic. Unfortunately we are one of the top. After years, it still appalls me how narcotics are over prescribed for some patients. And it's not the stereotypical ones who are the worst. They definitely get treated differently (even sometimes when their pain is legitimate). It's the person who seems totally normal. But they know how to manipulate the doctors to get drugs. And hospitals are so concerned about the scores they drill into the providers head the need to get good scores. So some doctors cave and just give in to the patients.

I've lost count of how many times patients have rated their pain a 10/10 while they casually watch TV or flip through their phone. I do extra documentation to show what I observe but I'd get in trouble if a patient complained that they said their pain was a 10 and I gave them nothing (because I thought their pain was a 2). And most doctors don't read my documentation so patient says "my pain was uncontrolled all night. The meds do nothing". And so they get more more or different dosages.

I've started to see some positive changes due to a new addiction /pain Management group at the hospital, so hopefully things are heading in the right direction.

I think the whole "keep patients happy so they give us good scores" crap that's pushed at providers and nurses is so detrimental to patient care. But the numbers are what matters

This is interesting to know. Do you also use a patient's HR and/or BP as an indicator of pain? I overheard two nurses discussing a patient who kept saying he was in terrible pain and asking for more meds but his HR & BP were both normal and indicated no pain. Nurse 2 told Nurse 1 to be sure to stress that to the doctor when requesting an additional dose.

[Anonymous]

You can simply go back the next day if you need stronger meds. The days of immediately giving everyone opioids need to stop.
One hundred dead Americans every day is too many, don’t you think?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You can simply go back the next day if you need stronger meds. The days of immediately giving everyone opioids need to stop.
One hundred dead Americans every day is too many, don’t you think?

This is for 11:15.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one forced the pills down their throats.

Exactly.

And now because of these addicts, it's getting to be near impossible for someone in real pain to get any meds.

My 80 yo aunt was in terrible pain after surgery and the doctors were very reluctant to give her more pain meds. Same with my kid who got his wisdom teeth extracted in February. The oral surgeon (same one who did my daughter's 1.5 years ago) no longer gives a prescription for painkillers and instead just tells you to get Tylenol in them 30-45 mins. after leaving before the numbing wears off. His recovery was so, so, so much worse than hers because he was in so much pain. Tylenol and ice packs can only do so much. I have two more kids who will need their wisdom teeth out in the next few years and I'll be sure to find a surgeon who does give painkillers for after care.

Your aunt and children are "these addicts". They were "in real pain" when they took pain meds and became addicted. There but for the grace of God (and new rules regarding pain management) go you.

You sound just like David Sackler, who is blaming these addicts for his family's woes.

The pp erroneously thinks her aunt and son will just choose not to get addicted. Like that’s how this works.
Some of these addicts took the pills as prescribed and became addicted. Addiction is a disease. You don’t know how you will react to the pills, alcohol, cigarettes until you try it and a chemical reaction in your brain has you craving more.
I would absolutely not seek out painkillers from another dentist like it’s NBD.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can simply go back the next day if you need stronger meds. The days of immediately giving everyone opioids need to stop.
One hundred dead Americans every day is too many, don’t you think?

This is for 11:15.

America doesn't really need more opioid addicts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can simply go back the next day if you need stronger meds. The days of immediately giving everyone opioids need to stop.
One hundred dead Americans every day is too many, don’t you think?

This is for 11:15.

America doesn't really need more opioid addicts.

Just wait until you or a loved on has terminal cancer and you have to fight tooth and nail to get pain meds for them while you are also trying to take care of them, manage the doctors, insurance companies and other care oh and making the last bits of time count all because all these other fools couldn't manage their meds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can simply go back the next day if you need stronger meds. The days of immediately giving everyone opioids need to stop.
One hundred dead Americans every day is too many, don’t you think?

This is for 11:15.

America doesn't really need more opioid addicts.

Just wait until you or a loved on has terminal cancer and you have to fight tooth and nail to get pain meds for them while you are also trying to take care of them, manage the doctors, insurance companies and other care oh and making the last bits of time count all because all these other fools couldn't manage their meds.

Are you talking about the 400,000 dead fools who are in the title of the thread?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DS had all 4 wisdom teeth pulled recently. We were given a script for an opioid which I proceeded to tear up and throw away. No way in hell was I going to expose my kid to that shit. Thankfully he did fine with plain old Tylenol and ice packs.

To be fair, it's not that addictive. Taking one or two pills wouldn't have doomed your son.

Start with yourself. We will wait.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DS had all 4 wisdom teeth pulled recently. We were given a script for an opioid which I proceeded to tear up and throw away. No way in hell was I going to expose my kid to that shit. Thankfully he did fine with plain old Tylenol and ice packs.

To be fair, it's not that addictive. Taking one or two pills wouldn't have doomed your son.

Start with yourself. We will wait.

Yes? I've taken opioids after surgery and disliked the feeling. I won't take them again. DH has taken them after surgery and liked the feeling. He won't take them again. Have you never taken or been prescribed an opioid?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DS had all 4 wisdom teeth pulled recently. We were given a script for an opioid which I proceeded to tear up and throw away. No way in hell was I going to expose my kid to that shit. Thankfully he did fine with plain old Tylenol and ice packs.

To be fair, it's not that addictive. Taking one or two pills wouldn't have doomed your son.

For between one and two people in ten, it is. And the Sacklers never told anyone.