Heavy Christmas emphasis at non-religious pre-school, WWYD?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Christmas in not all things to all people. It is a highly religious holiday and to the people who actually believe, it is an insult to reduce it down to Rudolph and Santa.

Wonderful! Yet another reason to love Christmas--I can drive people like you crazy. DCUM is the gift that keeps on giving.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:op, which faith do you do (if any)?

I'm sure the OP is long gone from this twisted thread by now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

It's obvious you don't care what I think, but perhaps you should. Or at least educate yourself about the meaning of Christmas before you barf all over it. Rudolph, Santa and Snowman are a celebration of winter. Jesus, however, is the reason we celebrate Christmas. And no one is shoving down your throat, ignoramus. I said I have no problem with people who don't celebrate it. And, YES, it is blasphemous to equate Rudolph with Jesus.

This person has been on these boards before, raving about keeping CHRIST in Christmas. (recent thread about agnostic visiting christian relatives over the holidays). They will not be reasoned with so don't try. The only thing I saw finally shut them up was when another Christian poster pointed out to them, um, that their words were not very Christ like.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It's obvious you don't care what I think, but perhaps you should. Or at least educate yourself about the meaning of Christmas before you barf all over it. Rudolph, Santa and Snowman are a celebration of winter. Jesus, however, is the reason we celebrate Christmas. And no one is shoving down your throat, ignoramus. I said I have no problem with people who don't celebrate it. And, YES, it is blasphemous to equate Rudolph with Jesus.

This person has been on these boards before, raving about keeping CHRIST in Christmas. (recent thread about agnostic visiting christian relatives over the holidays). They will not be reasoned with so don't try. The only thing I saw finally shut them up was when another Christian poster pointed out to them, um, that their words were not very Christ like.

I'm the one you're quoting and have no idea what other posts you're talking about. I have never discussed Christ or Christmas on DCUM before. "Not Christ like?" Because I'm not taking your load of crap about what you think Christmas means. Yeah, aha. I just love, love, love, love the ultimate "not to be reasoned with," or "I hit the nerve," or any time a Christian is not agreeing with your view, they're not being "very Christ like" responses on DCUM. Don't you have anything better to say?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Christmas is the celebration of the birth of Christ. Anything else attached to this religious holiday is a tradition or clever marketing. There is nothing wrong with appreciating some of the traditions, music, decor associated with Christmas, but it really doesn't change the fact that it is about the birth of Jesus. Jesus was born way before Santa Claus or Christmas trees were even ideas in someone's head. If you celebrate Christmas that you are celebrating the birth of Christ.
As for the OPs dilemma. If the school made claims about holidays and they are not standing behind them, the OP should bring it to their attention.

If you are religious and Christian, then yes, you are. If not, you might just be celebrating a fun time of year.

"Ahem - really? You really want to go down that path? Christmas is a bastardization of the Pagan Winter Solstice, right down to the date - the lights, and many of the traditions pre-date Christianity. That we now call it Christmas because millions of Christians celebrate it as such does not mean that people who do not believe that Jesus was the lord and savior cannot enjoy the festivities as much as the fervent evangelical. The people who want to "Keep the Christ in Christmas" are just as bogus as the people who don't want Christmas celebrated anywhere but a Christian hurch. And you're both relatively Scroogish. It's fun, and happy, and bright, and keeps the winter darkness and dreariness away for a few weeks, which I am sure that we could all benefit from.

Well said, PP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It's obvious you don't care what I think, but perhaps you should. Or at least educate yourself about the meaning of Christmas before you barf all over it. Rudolph, Santa and Snowman are a celebration of winter. Jesus, however, is the reason we celebrate Christmas. And no one is shoving down your throat, ignoramus. I said I have no problem with people who don't celebrate it. And, YES, it is blasphemous to equate Rudolph with Jesus.

This person has been on these boards before, raving about keeping CHRIST in Christmas. (recent thread about agnostic visiting christian relatives over the holidays). They will not be reasoned with so don't try. The only thing I saw finally shut them up was when another Christian poster pointed out to them, um, that their words were not very Christ like.

I'm the one you're quoting and have no idea what other posts you're talking about. I have never discussed Christ or Christmas on DCUM before. "Not Christ like?" Because I'm not taking your load of crap about what you think Christmas means. Yeah, aha. I just love, love, love, love the ultimate "not to be reasoned with," or "I hit the nerve," or any time a Christian is not agreeing with your view, they're not being "very Christ like" responses on DCUM. Don't you have anything better to say?

I don't believe you. Much of what the crazy "Christ in Christmas!" poster - or is there more than one of you? - states in this thread is almost verbatim from the last time dcum argued about this.

Next you're going to call someone a dingbat, right?

[Anonymous]

http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/45/81178.page

[Anonymous]

OP, We're as non-Christian as we come. But we celebrate a holiday that shall-not-be-called-Christmas-on-this-board with Santa and the Tree and the stockings etc. etc. It's fun for kids. My secular preschool, run by a Hindu couple, does the jingle bells and rudolph stuff, doesn't bother me.

I teach my child that this time of year has long been celebrated in many cultures, the Jesus stuff is just what Christians have added on to it. Your child probably won't get a whole lot about Jesus from the school - they probably know that would upset their non-christian patrons.

I would let it go.

[Anonymous]

I don't believe you. Much of what the crazy "Christ in Christmas!" poster - or is there more than one of you? - states in this thread is almost verbatim from the last time dcum argued about this.

Next you're going to call someone a dingbat, right?

I think you should examine your own mental health before calling me crazy (or whomever you think I am). I told you that I'm not the poster you think I am, I've never seen the thread you're referring to and probably wouldn't have gotten involved in this conversation was it not for someone equating Rudolph and Santa to Jesus. Oh and I have no idea what a dingbat is nor have I ever called anyone that.

[Anonymous]

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"Ahem - really? You really want to go down that path? Christmas is a bastardization of the Pagan Winter Solstice, right down to the date - the lights, and many of the traditions pre-date Christianity.

NP here. The quote above is in essence correct and should be kept in mind. Christmas trees fro example are a pagan tradition and predate the highly intelligent move by early Christians in the 300s (exact date unknown) to make the celebration of the birth of Christ coincide with either the Roman solar holiday or the winter solstice (controversy here) for assimilation purposes.

Religion aside, the reason why every culture has had winter celebrations is to help people live and hope through the cold, dark, hungry nights. A crucial question of survival really. I celebrate the birth of Jesus in December, but also am grateful to have warmth, light and food. Don't we take that for granted nowadays?

The best tradition to follow is therefore to give to people in need at this time of the year!
Love to all

[Anonymous]

I guess people are lill messed up here... religious Xmas is going to church, praising God for his mercy giving us his only son, putting up a nativity scene and reading the gospel for our children before dinner.
Santa, Rudolph, Xmas tree, stockings n lights mean the captalism taking over the season.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I guess people are lill messed up here... religious Xmas is going to church, praising God for his mercy giving us his only son, putting up a nativity scene and reading the gospel for our children before dinner.
Santa, Rudolph, Xmas tree, stockings n lights mean the captalism taking over the season.

yup. all non-christians celebrating the "secularism" of christmas are really celebrating the commerce/capitalism that engulfed it. christmas is the celebration of jesus' birth. if they want to pretend it's not i feel sorry for them. i would never dare to celebrate hannuka (sp) just for the beauty of the menorah. i wonder what kind of sense it makes. i feel like laughing!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess people are lill messed up here... religious Xmas is going to church, praising God for his mercy giving us his only son, putting up a nativity scene and reading the gospel for our children before dinner.
Santa, Rudolph, Xmas tree, stockings n lights mean the captalism taking over the season.

yup. all non-christians celebrating the "secularism" of christmas are really celebrating the commerce/capitalism that engulfed it. christmas is the celebration of jesus' birth. if they want to pretend it's not i feel sorry for them. i would never dare to celebrate hannuka (sp) just for the beauty of the menorah. i wonder what kind of sense it makes. i feel like laughing!!!

Hey, it would be ok with me! In fact, I find the story of the menorah display in Billings, Montana one of the most moving tales of the season.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, We're as non-Christian as we come. But we celebrate a holiday that shall-not-be-called-Christmas-on-this-board with Santa and the Tree and the stockings etc. etc. It's fun for kids. My secular preschool, run by a Hindu couple, does the jingle bells and rudolph stuff, doesn't bother me.

I teach my child that this time of year has long been celebrated in many cultures, the Jesus stuff is just what Christians have added on to it. Your child probably won't get a whole lot about Jesus from the school - they probably know that would upset their non-christian patrons.

I would let it go.

Wow - way to give your child incorrect information! I wonder if I can make up some falsehoods about Jews and Muslims to tell my kids just because I don't believe in what they do!! Good for you! Great example for your kids.

Ugh, why don't you all just lock your kids in a box and keep them there. This thread just ticks me off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
yup. all non-christians celebrating the "secularism" of christmas are really celebrating the commerce/capitalism that engulfed it. christmas is the celebration of jesus' birth. if they want to pretend it's not i feel sorry for them. i would never dare to celebrate hannuka (sp) just for the beauty of the menorah. i wonder what kind of sense it makes. i feel like laughing!!!

Why not celebrate Chanukah? (Jesus did, you know!)

If you are an observant Christian, you are under no obligation to celebrate the Jewish holidays, but you certainly can remember the heros of the Chanukah story, the Macabees, and light the Menorah in remembrance of this time!