Agnostics visiting slightly religious family members for Xmas

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I am curious of some of you arguing that Jesus IS what Christmas is all about have any familiarity with history and the origins of Christmas at all? You know it wasn't always a Christian holiday..... right?


may be the dumbest thing I've read here yet. which is saying something .....

just because there was a winter solstice holiday celebrated at about the same time on the calendar doesn't mean that the origin of christmas doesn't have EVERYTHING to do with Jesus Christ and Christianity. Christmas has ALWAYS been a Christian holiday you dingbat. Easter is at the same time of year as the traditional spring holiday, does that mean the origin of Easter doesn't have EVERYTHING to do with Jesus Christ and Christianity? duh. if you want to celebrate winter and spring solstice, or the harvest or planting or whatever crazy witch holiday that suit your fancy, be my guest its a free country, but then don't call them "christmas" or "easter".

Constantine was a pragmatic guy.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am curious of some of you arguing that Jesus IS what Christmas is all about have any familiarity with history and the origins of Christmas at all? You know it wasn't always a Christian holiday..... right?


may be the dumbest thing I've read here yet. which is saying something .....

just because there was a winter solstice holiday celebrated at about the same time on the calendar doesn't mean that the origin of christmas doesn't have EVERYTHING to do with Jesus Christ and Christianity. Christmas has ALWAYS been a Christian holiday you dingbat. Easter is at the same time of year as the traditional spring holiday, does that mean the origin of Easter doesn't have EVERYTHING to do with Jesus Christ and Christianity? duh. if you want to celebrate winter and spring solstice, or the harvest or planting or whatever crazy witch holiday that suit your fancy, be my guest its a free country, but then don't call them "christmas" or "easter".

Constantine was a pragmatic guy.


Yes, that is EXACTLY what it means.
Anonymous
http://www.religioustolerance.org/easter.htm
http://www.gotquestions.org/easter-origins.html

Christianity took over these holidays and made them their own. Now secularism is taking them over. You may not like it, but it's happening.

Dingbat. Nice one. You've raised the discussion to a whole new level. You sound like a very tolerant person, religiously speaking. Not!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am curious of some of you arguing that Jesus IS what Christmas is all about have any familiarity with history and the origins of Christmas at all? You know it wasn't always a Christian holiday..... right?


may be the dumbest thing I've read here yet. which is saying something .....

just because there was a winter solstice holiday celebrated at about the same time on the calendar doesn't mean that the origin of christmas doesn't have EVERYTHING to do with Jesus Christ and Christianity. Christmas has ALWAYS been a Christian holiday you dingbat. Easter is at the same time of year as the traditional spring holiday, does that mean the origin of Easter doesn't have EVERYTHING to do with Jesus Christ and Christianity? duh. if you want to celebrate winter and spring solstice, or the harvest or planting or whatever crazy witch holiday that suit your fancy, be my guest its a free country, but then don't call them "christmas" or "easter".

Constantine was a pragmatic guy.


Christian here. Can the poster above stop posting? Because you're the reason that people think we're all nuts. BTW, can you tell me what's particularly Christian about the statements I've bolded? Do you remember what Christ said about throwing the first stone? Do you remember that all humans are mirrored in God's image, and not just the ones who say things that you like? Please, do not put yourself forward as a messenger of Christ's word when you take this hateful tone. It's just not what Christianity is about.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Christmas is a Christian holiday, it is a day for Christians to celebrate the birth of Jesus”. If I give my child this definition, and we don’t believe in Jesus and we’re not Christian, then how does it make any sense that we celebrate Christmas in our house?


Uh, it doesn't make any sense because if you're not Christian and you don't believe in Jesus, you're not celebrating Christmas. You're using the secular trappings of Christmas without the underlying meaning and purpose of the holiday. That is fine if your family chooses to use the secular traditions at this time of year, but Christmas is a religious holiday. If I put up a Menorah (tho we're not Jewish) and I tell my kids that "some people" believe the oil in the temple miraculously lasted for 8 days, but of course we don't believe anything about that story, but nonetheless it'll be fun to get gifts each day for the next 8 days, am I celebrating Hannukah? No. Hannukah is a religious holiday.


ITA!


Thank you!! I totally agree too. You can't just decide to turn Christmas into a non-religious holiday simply because you don't believe. I'm not religious either but I certainly know that Christmas is a religious holiday. Just because it's also become a commercial holiday doesn't make it any less of a religious holiday.
Anonymous
for now on, every Palm Sunday I am going to go to West Palm Beach because I have decided to give it a new meaning about beaches with the word "Palm" in them. it is no longer a religious day!

glad that is settled.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:for now on, every Palm Sunday I am going to go to West Palm Beach because I have decided to give it a new meaning about beaches with the word "Palm" in them. it is no longer a religious day!

glad that is settled.


This sums up this whole thread perfectly! You can't just decide Christmas isn't a religious holiday simply because you don't believe in Jesus and want it to be about Santa Claus!!!!
Anonymous
Actually, for my family, I can.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Actually, for my family, I can.


sad, stupid and silly.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:for now on, every Palm Sunday I am going to go to West Palm Beach because I have decided to give it a new meaning about beaches with the word "Palm" in them. it is no longer a religious day!

glad that is settled.


This sums up this whole thread perfectly! You can't just decide Christmas isn't a religious holiday simply because you don't believe in Jesus and want it to be about Santa Claus!!!!


Unless you honor the winter solstice, in which case your claim to the date is every bit as valid as Christianity's.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:for now on, every Palm Sunday I am going to go to West Palm Beach because I have decided to give it a new meaning about beaches with the word "Palm" in them. it is no longer a religious day!

glad that is settled.


This sums up this whole thread perfectly! You can't just decide Christmas isn't a religious holiday simply because you don't believe in Jesus and want it to be about Santa Claus!!!!


Unless you honor the winter solstice, in which case your claim to the date is every bit as valid as Christianity's.


dude, nobody cares if you celebrate the winter solstice. be my guest. that does not = celebrating Christmas. They could move Christmas to July 24 and it is still a christian holiday.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote: if you want to celebrate winter and spring solstice, or the harvest or planting or whatever crazy witch holiday that suit your fancy, be my guest its a free country, but then don't call them "christmas" or "easter".


What happened to the "free country" part?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am curious of some of you arguing that Jesus IS what Christmas is all about have any familiarity with history and the origins of Christmas at all? You know it wasn't always a Christian holiday..... right?


may be the dumbest thing I've read here yet. which is saying something .....

just because there was a winter solstice holiday celebrated at about the same time on the calendar doesn't mean that the origin of christmas doesn't have EVERYTHING to do with Jesus Christ and Christianity. Christmas has ALWAYS been a Christian holiday you dingbat. Easter is at the same time of year as the traditional spring holiday, does that mean the origin of Easter doesn't have EVERYTHING to do with Jesus Christ and Christianity? duh. if you want to celebrate winter and spring solstice, or the harvest or planting or whatever crazy witch holiday that suit your fancy, be my guest its a free country, but then don't call them "christmas" or "easter".

Constantine was a pragmatic guy.


Christian here. Can the poster above stop posting? Because you're the reason that people think we're all nuts. BTW, can you tell me what's particularly Christian about the statements I've bolded? Do you remember what Christ said about throwing the first stone? Do you remember that all humans are mirrored in God's image, and not just the ones who say things that you like? Please, do not put yourself forward as a messenger of Christ's word when you take this hateful tone. It's just not what Christianity is about.


Thank you. Another Christian and I totally agree. Those who are screaming the loudest about "Christmas is only about Jesus" are the ones least mirroring his teachings.

Take a look at yourselves, people. Are you behaving as Christians right now, in your tone or manner? Or are you the Pharisees, those who throw ashes in their hair when fasting and sit in the front row so everyone can see they are in church? Are you applying the word of God to yourselves in your own life? Start with yourselves, stop speaking of the specks in other's eyes when their is a plank in yours.
Anonymous
Side note: I think it is interesting when parents say they aren't religious, but they want their kids to be. If your lifestyle is good enough for YOU, why isn't it good enough to teach your kids?

If you actually believe in whatever-it-is-you-believe (religion or lack thereof, eating meat or being vegan, etc.), shouldn't you be proud to teach that to your kids? Why "pretend" for their sake, unless deep down you don't know that you are living the right way?

If you truly believe in your life decisions, teach them. Don't worry about finding a balance or representing all sides to every issue to a kid as some kind of neutral teacher. Kids will naturally question as they get older and find their way to what they truly believe themselves, that is part of growing up. Just keep on living the best way you know how and raise your kids the same, whether that means teaching religion or atheism.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:for now on, every Palm Sunday I am going to go to West Palm Beach because I have decided to give it a new meaning about beaches with the word "Palm" in them. it is no longer a religious day!

glad that is settled.


This sums up this whole thread perfectly! You can't just decide Christmas isn't a religious holiday simply because you don't believe in Jesus and want it to be about Santa Claus!!!!


Unless you honor the winter solstice, in which case your claim to the date is every bit as valid as Christianity's.


dude, nobody cares if you celebrate the winter solstice. be my guest. that does not = celebrating Christmas. They could move Christmas to July 24 and it is still a christian holiday.


Then stop misappropriating pagan symbols like mistletoe, christmas trees, and the yule log. And don't put it on a national holiday.
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