China Retaliates Against the U.S. With Its Own Higher Tariffs

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Even if China is hurt more than us, we're still going to get hurt. And a hurt China won't heal us.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is going to subsidize farmers to make up for their trade losses. So US taxpayers will end up paying no matter what.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-10/trump-says-u-s-will-boost-crop-purchases-to-offset-china-losses

President Donald Trump said that the U.S. will boost its purchases of domestic farm products for humanitarian aid in an effort to offset lost demand from China as trade tensions flare between the nations.

Trump said on Twitter on Friday that the U.S. will use its money from the tariffs to buy American agricultural products “in larger amounts than China ever did” and send it to “poor & starving countries” for humanitarian aid. The president indicated potential purchases of $15 billion from farmers. Soybean and grain futures held mostly steady after the announcements, while industry groups opposed Trump’s additional U.S. tariffs on China.

+1 It's just like his promises around the wall. American taxpayers are paying for his stupid policies no matter what.

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Anonymous wrote:The stock market is not liking the Trump tarriffs.

Yea, if you get into a fist fight, your fist is going to sting a little from pounding the other guy's face in.

Hundreds of years of data would suggest that both sides are going to suffer from this trade war. But keep going on with your crude metaphors...

Yea, I have to use a crude metaphor because the liberals seem so focused on wishing ill on Trump's efforts that they forget whose side they are on. Trump is doing this because China is cheating/stealing from the US, that's all of us, every man, woman, and child, immigrant or citizen. Every one of us.

If Trump is successful in getting China to trade more fairly, then both the US and China stands to benefit greatly in the future. Hundreds of years of history shows that sometimes a war is necessary.

Exactly. Thank you.

Yes, but Trump will not be successful at getting China to trade more effectively.

Thank you, Nostradamus. What are the winning Powerball numbers for the next drawing?

There is only one person in the whole country who wants a trade war with China, and he has the attention span of a gnat. He'll get distracted and that will be that.

This trade war won't be successful. Just painful.

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Anonymous wrote:The stock market is not liking the Trump tarriffs.

Yea, if you get into a fist fight, your fist is going to sting a little from pounding the other guy's face in.

Hundreds of years of data would suggest that both sides are going to suffer from this trade war. But keep going on with your crude metaphors...

Yea, I have to use a crude metaphor because the liberals seem so focused on wishing ill on Trump's efforts that they forget whose side they are on. Trump is doing this because China is cheating/stealing from the US, that's all of us, every man, woman, and child, immigrant or citizen. Every one of us.

If Trump is successful in getting China to trade more fairly, then both the US and China stands to benefit greatly in the future. Hundreds of years of history shows that sometimes a war is necessary.

Exactly. Thank you.

Yes, but Trump will not be successful at getting China to trade more effectively.

Thank you, Nostradamus. What are the winning Powerball numbers for the next drawing?

There is only one person in the whole country who wants a trade war with China, and he has the attention span of a gnat. He'll get distracted and that will be that.

This trade war won't be successful. Just painful.

Yup, just like when Trump shut down the government and ended up with a worse deal than the one offered after government workers suffered for a month. Now the same thing will happen to those jobs that depend on international trade.

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Anonymous wrote:The stock market is not liking the Trump tarriffs.

Yea, if you get into a fist fight, your fist is going to sting a little from pounding the other guy's face in.

Hundreds of years of data would suggest that both sides are going to suffer from this trade war. But keep going on with your crude metaphors...

Yea, I have to use a crude metaphor because the liberals seem so focused on wishing ill on Trump's efforts that they forget whose side they are on. Trump is doing this because China is cheating/stealing from the US, that's all of us, every man, woman, and child, immigrant or citizen. Every one of us.

If Trump is successful in getting China to trade more fairly, then both the US and China stands to benefit greatly in the future. Hundreds of years of history shows that sometimes a war is necessary.

Spoken like an unemployed loser living in a basement who gets his social welfare payment either way. Millions of American workers are going to suffer from these tarrifs.

Liar. -DP

Everyone loses in a trade war. Even Trump's chief economic adviser knows that.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/12/us/politics/larry-kudlow-trump-trade.html

Larry Kudlow Breaks With Trump, Saying ‘Both Sides Will Pay’ in Trade War With China

President Trump’s chief economic adviser said on Sunday that American consumers would bear a burden from the escalating trade war with China, contradicting Mr. Trump’s claim that his tariffs were a multibillion-dollar, one-way payment by China to the United States Treasury.

The adviser, Larry Kudlow, made his comments two days after negotiations for a trade deal with China broke off and Mr. Trump followed through on a threat to raise tariffs on $200 billion worth of Chinese exports.

“In fact, both sides will pay,” Mr. Kudlow said in an interview on Fox News. “Both sides will pay in these things.”

Mr. Kudlow’s acknowledgment was merely a recognition of Economics 101. But it flew in the face of one of the president’s favorite arguments: that trade wars are easy to win, and that the pain falls disproportionately on America’s trading partners, which he accuses of having exploited the United States for years through predatory trade practices.

Yea, but sometimes a war is necessary to change behavior. The US fought a revolutionary war for its independence, a civil war to abolish slavery, WWI/WWII to end imperialism, and subsequent wars in attempts to contain communism and terrorism. I wish we didn't have to have a trade war with China. I wish China was more like Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea, the economic prosperity of which has demonstrated that US is a friendly and cooperative trading partner.

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Anonymous wrote:The stock market is not liking the Trump tarriffs.

Yea, if you get into a fist fight, your fist is going to sting a little from pounding the other guy's face in.

Hundreds of years of data would suggest that both sides are going to suffer from this trade war. But keep going on with your crude metaphors...

Yea, I have to use a crude metaphor because the liberals seem so focused on wishing ill on Trump's efforts that they forget whose side they are on. Trump is doing this because China is cheating/stealing from the US, that's all of us, every man, woman, and child, immigrant or citizen. Every one of us.

If Trump is successful in getting China to trade more fairly, then both the US and China stands to benefit greatly in the future. Hundreds of years of history shows that sometimes a war is necessary.

Exactly. Thank you.

Yes, but Trump will not be successful at getting China to trade more effectively.

Thank you, Nostradamus. What are the winning Powerball numbers for the next drawing?

Good question.

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Anonymous wrote:The stock market is not liking the Trump tarriffs.

Yea, if you get into a fist fight, your fist is going to sting a little from pounding the other guy's face in.

Hundreds of years of data would suggest that both sides are going to suffer from this trade war. But keep going on with your crude metaphors...

Yea, I have to use a crude metaphor because the liberals seem so focused on wishing ill on Trump's efforts that they forget whose side they are on. Trump is doing this because China is cheating/stealing from the US, that's all of us, every man, woman, and child, immigrant or citizen. Every one of us.

If Trump is successful in getting China to trade more fairly, then both the US and China stands to benefit greatly in the future. Hundreds of years of history shows that sometimes a war is necessary.

Spoken like an unemployed loser living in a basement who gets his social welfare payment either way. Millions of American workers are going to suffer from these tarrifs.

Liar. -DP

Everyone loses in a trade war. Even Trump's chief economic adviser knows that.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/12/us/politics/larry-kudlow-trump-trade.html

Larry Kudlow Breaks With Trump, Saying ‘Both Sides Will Pay’ in Trade War With China

President Trump’s chief economic adviser said on Sunday that American consumers would bear a burden from the escalating trade war with China, contradicting Mr. Trump’s claim that his tariffs were a multibillion-dollar, one-way payment by China to the United States Treasury.

The adviser, Larry Kudlow, made his comments two days after negotiations for a trade deal with China broke off and Mr. Trump followed through on a threat to raise tariffs on $200 billion worth of Chinese exports.

“In fact, both sides will pay,” Mr. Kudlow said in an interview on Fox News. “Both sides will pay in these things.”

Mr. Kudlow’s acknowledgment was merely a recognition of Economics 101. But it flew in the face of one of the president’s favorite arguments: that trade wars are easy to win, and that the pain falls disproportionately on America’s trading partners, which he accuses of having exploited the United States for years through predatory trade practices.

Yea, but sometimes a war is necessary to change behavior. The US fought a revolutionary war for its independence, a civil war to abolish slavery, WWI/WWII to end imperialism, and subsequent wars in attempts to contain communism and terrorism. I wish we didn't have to have a trade war with China. I wish China was more like Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea, the economic prosperity of which has demonstrated that US is a friendly and cooperative trading partner.

DCUM Libs need to listen to the above poster.

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Anonymous wrote:Even if China is hurt more than us, we're still going to get hurt. And a hurt China won't heal us.

The hope is that the trade war will prod China into trading more fairly, which will bring about economic prosperity in both the US and China. The thinking is that the pain from the trade war is worth it considering what benefits we will get from it in the future.

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Anonymous wrote:Reducing the enrichment of the Communist Chinese government should be paramount.

China's smarter than you.

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Anonymous wrote:The stock market is not liking the Trump tarriffs.

Yea, if you get into a fist fight, your fist is going to sting a little from pounding the other guy's face in.

Hundreds of years of data would suggest that both sides are going to suffer from this trade war. But keep going on with your crude metaphors...

Yea, I have to use a crude metaphor because the liberals seem so focused on wishing ill on Trump's efforts that they forget whose side they are on. Trump is doing this because China is cheating/stealing from the US, that's all of us, every man, woman, and child, immigrant or citizen. Every one of us.

If Trump is successful in getting China to trade more fairly, then both the US and China stands to benefit greatly in the future. Hundreds of years of history shows that sometimes a war is necessary.

Spoken like an unemployed loser living in a basement who gets his social welfare payment either way. Millions of American workers are going to suffer from these tarrifs.

Liar. -DP

Everyone loses in a trade war. Even Trump's chief economic adviser knows that.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/12/us/politics/larry-kudlow-trump-trade.html

Larry Kudlow Breaks With Trump, Saying ‘Both Sides Will Pay’ in Trade War With China

President Trump’s chief economic adviser said on Sunday that American consumers would bear a burden from the escalating trade war with China, contradicting Mr. Trump’s claim that his tariffs were a multibillion-dollar, one-way payment by China to the United States Treasury.

The adviser, Larry Kudlow, made his comments two days after negotiations for a trade deal with China broke off and Mr. Trump followed through on a threat to raise tariffs on $200 billion worth of Chinese exports.

“In fact, both sides will pay,” Mr. Kudlow said in an interview on Fox News. “Both sides will pay in these things.”

Mr. Kudlow’s acknowledgment was merely a recognition of Economics 101. But it flew in the face of one of the president’s favorite arguments: that trade wars are easy to win, and that the pain falls disproportionately on America’s trading partners, which he accuses of having exploited the United States for years through predatory trade practices.

Yea, but sometimes a war is necessary to change behavior. The US fought a revolutionary war for its independence, a civil war to abolish slavery, WWI/WWII to end imperialism, and subsequent wars in attempts to contain communism and terrorism. I wish we didn't have to have a trade war with China. I wish China was more like Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea, the economic prosperity of which has demonstrated that US is a friendly and cooperative trading partner.

DCUM Libs need to listen to the above poster.

Why? The above poster cites no data that this trade war will lead to a positive outcome. The above poster isn't going to be funding the families where the employees get laid off because demand for their goods drops off because of tariff hikes.

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Anonymous wrote:The stock market is not liking the Trump tarriffs.

Yea, if you get into a fist fight, your fist is going to sting a little from pounding the other guy's face in.

Hundreds of years of data would suggest that both sides are going to suffer from this trade war. But keep going on with your crude metaphors...

Yea, I have to use a crude metaphor because the liberals seem so focused on wishing ill on Trump's efforts that they forget whose side they are on. Trump is doing this because China is cheating/stealing from the US, that's all of us, every man, woman, and child, immigrant or citizen. Every one of us.

If Trump is successful in getting China to trade more fairly, then both the US and China stands to benefit greatly in the future. Hundreds of years of history shows that sometimes a war is necessary.

Spoken like an unemployed loser living in a basement who gets his social welfare payment either way. Millions of American workers are going to suffer from these tarrifs.

Liar. -DP

Everyone loses in a trade war. Even Trump's chief economic adviser knows that.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/12/us/politics/larry-kudlow-trump-trade.html

Larry Kudlow Breaks With Trump, Saying ‘Both Sides Will Pay’ in Trade War With China

President Trump’s chief economic adviser said on Sunday that American consumers would bear a burden from the escalating trade war with China, contradicting Mr. Trump’s claim that his tariffs were a multibillion-dollar, one-way payment by China to the United States Treasury.

The adviser, Larry Kudlow, made his comments two days after negotiations for a trade deal with China broke off and Mr. Trump followed through on a threat to raise tariffs on $200 billion worth of Chinese exports.

“In fact, both sides will pay,” Mr. Kudlow said in an interview on Fox News. “Both sides will pay in these things.”

Mr. Kudlow’s acknowledgment was merely a recognition of Economics 101. But it flew in the face of one of the president’s favorite arguments: that trade wars are easy to win, and that the pain falls disproportionately on America’s trading partners, which he accuses of having exploited the United States for years through predatory trade practices.

Yea, but sometimes a war is necessary to change behavior. The US fought a revolutionary war for its independence, a civil war to abolish slavery, WWI/WWII to end imperialism, and subsequent wars in attempts to contain communism and terrorism. I wish we didn't have to have a trade war with China. I wish China was more like Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea, the economic prosperity of which has demonstrated that US is a friendly and cooperative trading partner.

This exactly. Now before we buy anything, we always check where it comes from. If it’s China, we’re quite often happy to make do without. Why do Americans want to fund slave-labor China? Less is more. Liberals should be embracing this concept.

Plenty of other countries can manufacture reasonably priced products. We don’t need China.

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Anonymous wrote:The stock market is not liking the Trump tarriffs.

Yea, if you get into a fist fight, your fist is going to sting a little from pounding the other guy's face in.

Hundreds of years of data would suggest that both sides are going to suffer from this trade war. But keep going on with your crude metaphors...

Yea, I have to use a crude metaphor because the liberals seem so focused on wishing ill on Trump's efforts that they forget whose side they are on. Trump is doing this because China is cheating/stealing from the US, that's all of us, every man, woman, and child, immigrant or citizen. Every one of us.

If Trump is successful in getting China to trade more fairly, then both the US and China stands to benefit greatly in the future. Hundreds of years of history shows that sometimes a war is necessary.

Exactly. Thank you.

Yes, but Trump will not be successful at getting China to trade more effectively.

Thank you, Nostradamus. What are the winning Powerball numbers for the next drawing?

There is only one person in the whole country who wants a trade war with China, and he has the attention span of a gnat. He'll get distracted and that will be that.

This trade war won't be successful. Just painful.

Your talking points are contradicting with reality. Trump was talking about unfair China trade practices during his presidential campaign, promising that if he was elected president, he would get China to change their behavior. Shortly after starting his presidency in early 2017, just a few days before his first meeting with Xi, Trump signs executive orders asking for studies and a plan of tariff increases that can be used as leverage against China. After multiple rounds of studies and discussions with industry representatives, the US unveils what the proposed tariff increase schedule would look like. The first round went into effect in March of 2018, second round in July of 2018, and third round of increases in September of 2018. A fourth round of increases was scheduled for end of 2018 but a truce was called as China was feeling the hurt - their stock market was down over 20% at that point since the start of Trump's presidency.

If these are the actions and results of a distracted gnat, then what is Xi in comparison, a comatose slug?

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I’m not a fan of Trump but I agree with him on China. For too long we have allowed them to steal our IP, block imports and subsidize exports. The mistake Trump is making is that he has alienated our allies so that there is no unified approach.

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Anonymous wrote:The stock market is not liking the Trump tarriffs.

Yea, if you get into a fist fight, your fist is going to sting a little from pounding the other guy's face in.

Hundreds of years of data would suggest that both sides are going to suffer from this trade war. But keep going on with your crude metaphors...

Yea, I have to use a crude metaphor because the liberals seem so focused on wishing ill on Trump's efforts that they forget whose side they are on. Trump is doing this because China is cheating/stealing from the US, that's all of us, every man, woman, and child, immigrant or citizen. Every one of us.

If Trump is successful in getting China to trade more fairly, then both the US and China stands to benefit greatly in the future. Hundreds of years of history shows that sometimes a war is necessary.

Spoken like an unemployed loser living in a basement who gets his social welfare payment either way. Millions of American workers are going to suffer from these tarrifs.

Liar. -DP

Everyone loses in a trade war. Even Trump's chief economic adviser knows that.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/12/us/politics/larry-kudlow-trump-trade.html

Larry Kudlow Breaks With Trump, Saying ‘Both Sides Will Pay’ in Trade War With China

President Trump’s chief economic adviser said on Sunday that American consumers would bear a burden from the escalating trade war with China, contradicting Mr. Trump’s claim that his tariffs were a multibillion-dollar, one-way payment by China to the United States Treasury.

The adviser, Larry Kudlow, made his comments two days after negotiations for a trade deal with China broke off and Mr. Trump followed through on a threat to raise tariffs on $200 billion worth of Chinese exports.

“In fact, both sides will pay,” Mr. Kudlow said in an interview on Fox News. “Both sides will pay in these things.”

Mr. Kudlow’s acknowledgment was merely a recognition of Economics 101. But it flew in the face of one of the president’s favorite arguments: that trade wars are easy to win, and that the pain falls disproportionately on America’s trading partners, which he accuses of having exploited the United States for years through predatory trade practices.

Yea, but sometimes a war is necessary to change behavior. The US fought a revolutionary war for its independence, a civil war to abolish slavery, WWI/WWII to end imperialism, and subsequent wars in attempts to contain communism and terrorism. I wish we didn't have to have a trade war with China. I wish China was more like Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea, the economic prosperity of which has demonstrated that US is a friendly and cooperative trading partner.

DCUM Libs need to listen to the above poster.

Why? The above poster cites no data that this trade war will lead to a positive outcome. The above poster isn't going to be funding the families where the employees get laid off because demand for their goods drops off because of tariff hikes.

+1 It's easy to make jingoistic calls for war from the safety of an anonymous post. The poster isn't going to be the one fighting the war, nor are they the employees who are going to be harmed when these higher tariffs cause demand to drop.

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Anonymous wrote:The stock market is not liking the Trump tarriffs.

Yea, if you get into a fist fight, your fist is going to sting a little from pounding the other guy's face in.

Hundreds of years of data would suggest that both sides are going to suffer from this trade war. But keep going on with your crude metaphors...

Yea, I have to use a crude metaphor because the liberals seem so focused on wishing ill on Trump's efforts that they forget whose side they are on. Trump is doing this because China is cheating/stealing from the US, that's all of us, every man, woman, and child, immigrant or citizen. Every one of us.

If Trump is successful in getting China to trade more fairly, then both the US and China stands to benefit greatly in the future. Hundreds of years of history shows that sometimes a war is necessary.

Spoken like an unemployed loser living in a basement who gets his social welfare payment either way. Millions of American workers are going to suffer from these tarrifs.

Liar. -DP

Everyone loses in a trade war. Even Trump's chief economic adviser knows that.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/12/us/politics/larry-kudlow-trump-trade.html

Larry Kudlow Breaks With Trump, Saying ‘Both Sides Will Pay’ in Trade War With China

President Trump’s chief economic adviser said on Sunday that American consumers would bear a burden from the escalating trade war with China, contradicting Mr. Trump’s claim that his tariffs were a multibillion-dollar, one-way payment by China to the United States Treasury.

The adviser, Larry Kudlow, made his comments two days after negotiations for a trade deal with China broke off and Mr. Trump followed through on a threat to raise tariffs on $200 billion worth of Chinese exports.

“In fact, both sides will pay,” Mr. Kudlow said in an interview on Fox News. “Both sides will pay in these things.”

Mr. Kudlow’s acknowledgment was merely a recognition of Economics 101. But it flew in the face of one of the president’s favorite arguments: that trade wars are easy to win, and that the pain falls disproportionately on America’s trading partners, which he accuses of having exploited the United States for years through predatory trade practices.

Yea, but sometimes a war is necessary to change behavior. The US fought a revolutionary war for its independence, a civil war to abolish slavery, WWI/WWII to end imperialism, and subsequent wars in attempts to contain communism and terrorism. I wish we didn't have to have a trade war with China. I wish China was more like Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea, the economic prosperity of which has demonstrated that US is a friendly and cooperative trading partner.

DCUM Libs need to listen to the above poster.

Why? The above poster cites no data that this trade war will lead to a positive outcome. The above poster isn't going to be funding the families where the employees get laid off because demand for their goods drops off because of tariff hikes.

??? I'm the "above poster". Unlike our liberal friends, I am not someone who claims to know what the future will bring. I am not certain that Trump will be successful with his efforts in this trade war. I do know for certain that getting China to be more fair and open with its trade will benefit both the US and China. The data on this is born out by the fact that it's precisely these more fair and open practices that has brought the economic boom to China. China's GDP is now majorly comprised of private enterprises, with state owned enterprises contributing a substantial minority. The trading activity between the US and China has not just been in terms of material goods, but also in cultural exchange and an expansion of our mutual understanding. This is why no one seriously ponders a potential war between the US and China even if China is aggressively expanding its military reach in the world. This is in stark contrast to the tension that was felt between the US and USSR.

So I don't know the outcome of the trade war, but know with some degree of certainty that a more open and fairly trading China is beneficial to all, so I am supporting Trump's efforts towards this goal by engaging in a trade war.