Solving the Wilson Feeder crisis - charter schools

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Elementary School Gap Analysis -- 2027 Projections

School Address 2027 Capacity 2027 Enrollment Difference
Lafayette ES 5701 Broad Branch Road NW 805 1,167 (362)
Van Ness ES 1150 5th Street SE 347 653 (306)
Powell ES 1350 Upshur Street NW 480 713 (233)
Brent ES 301 North Carolina Avenue SE 408 577 (169)
Janney ES 4130 Albemarle Street NW 722 887 (165)
Beers ES 3600 Alabama Avenue SE 508 672 (164)
Key ES 5001 Dana Place NW 432 580 (148)
Bancroft ES 1755 Newton Street NW 550 686 (136)
Eaton ES 3301 Lowell Street NW 451 587 (136)
J O Wilson ES 660 K Street NE 513 647 (134)
Mann ES 4430 Newark Street NW 428 555 (127)
Seaton ES 1503 10th Street NW 446 565 (119)
Shepherd ES 7800 14th Street NW 400 496 (96)
Cleveland ES 1825 8th Street NW 346 437 (91)
Tyler ES 1001 G Street SE 564 655 (91)
Ludlow-Taylor ES 659 G Street NE 493 581 (88)
Marie Reed ES 2201 18th Street NW 486 571 (85)
Barnard ES 430 Decatur Street NW 753 836 (83)
Nalle ES 219 50th Street SE 400 480 (80)
Hearst ES 3950 37th Street NW 344 422 (78)
Payne ES 1445 C Street SE 348 425 (77)
Thomson ES 1200 L Street NW 357 427 (70)
H D Cooke ES 2525 17th Street NW 441 508 (67)
Stoddert ES 4001 Calvert Street NW 489 554 (65)
Ross ES 1730 R Street NW 176 230 (54)
Turner ES 3264 Stanton Road SE 530 582 (52)
Peabody ES (Capitol Hill Cluster) 425 C Street NE 240 291 (51)
Amidon-Bowen ES 401 I Street SW 400 446 (46)
Ketcham ES 1919 15th Street SE 325 369 (44)
Oyster Adams Bilingual School (Oyster) 2801 Calvert Street NW 375 401 (26)
Drew ES 5600 Eads Street NE 362 385 (23)
Maury ES 1250 Constitution Avenue NE 539 562 (23)
Boone ES 2200 Minnesota Avenue SE 468 487 (19)
Garrison ES 1200 S Street NW 356 369 (13)
Murch ES 4810 36th Street NW 730 739 (9)
Hyde-Addison ES 3219 O Street NW 400 406 (6)

Tubman ES 3101 13th Street NW 629 627 2
Watkins ES (Capitol Hill Cluster) 420 12th Street SE 460 457 3
Simon ES 401 Mississippi Avenue SE 325 312 13
Garfield ES 2435 Alabama Avenue SE 381 363 18
School Within School at Goding 920 F Street NE 444 421 23
Moten ES 1565 Morris Road SE 480 448 32
Bruce Monroe ES at Park View 3560 Warder Street NW 609 572 37
Burrville ES 801 Division Avenue NE 400 361 39
Kimball ES 3375 Minnesota Avenue SE 450 411 39
Plummer ES 4601 Texas Avenue SE 448 408 40
Langdon EC 1900 Evarts Street NE 500 446 54
Stanton ES 2701 Naylor Road SE 586 532 54
Thomas ES 650 Anacostia Avenue NE 474 419 55
Smothers ES 4400 Brooks Street NE 337 279 58
Dorothy Height ES 1300 Allison Street NW 635 558 77
Randle Highlands ES 1650 30th Street SE 450 370 80
C W Harris ES 301 53rd Street SE 418 332 86
Noyes EC 2725 10th Street NE 379 290 89
Houston ES 1100 50th Place NE 400 310 90
King, M L ES 3200 6th Street SE 444 352 92
Burroughs EC 1820 Monroe Street NE 450 355 95
Patterson ES 4399 South Capitol Terrace SW 498 388 110
Hendley ES 425 Chesapeake Street SE 479 343 136
Malcolm X ES at Green 1500 Mississippi Avenue SE 520 343 177
Langley EC 101 T Street NE 530 345 185
Miner ES 601 15th Street NE 550 339 211
Savoy ES 2400 Shannon Place SE 430 190 240
Bunker Hill ES 1401 Michigan Avenue NE 577 320 257
Aiton ES 533 48th Place NE 529 271 258

Total 30,224 31,110 (886)


Where is Raymond? Are they closing it?
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:A mega-elementary school is a ridiculous idea.


The other alternatives are build 1100+ new seats WOTP (at around $100K/seat) or send 1100+ kids EOTP for elementary school. Or maybe lose those kids to privates and Bethesda.


If you send my kid on an hour commute to MS or HS, you will lose us to private or MD. If we wanted long commutes, we would live in the subury.

More importantly, you would not find an educator in the country who would say that a mega elementary school would be good for the kids.

So, fine, build more schools. Why not? It’s beside the point that there is capacity on the other side of town if they haven’t managed development accordingly.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:A mega-elementary school is a ridiculous idea.


The other alternatives are build 1100+ new seats WOTP (at around $100K/seat) or send 1100+ kids EOTP for elementary school. Or maybe lose those kids to privates and Bethesda.


If you send my kid on an hour commute to MS or HS, you will lose us to private or MD. If we wanted long commutes, we would live in the subury.

More importantly, you would not find an educator in the country who would say that a mega elementary school would be good for the kids.

So, fine, build more schools. Why not? It’s beside the point that there is capacity on the other side of town if they haven’t managed development accordingly.


Mega middle schools are not great for kids either... but Deal.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Elementary School Gap Analysis -- 2027 Projections

School Address 2027 Capacity 2027 Enrollment Difference
Lafayette ES 5701 Broad Branch Road NW 805 1,167 (362)
Van Ness ES 1150 5th Street SE 347 653 (306)
Powell ES 1350 Upshur Street NW 480 713 (233)
Brent ES 301 North Carolina Avenue SE 408 577 (169)
Janney ES 4130 Albemarle Street NW 722 887 (165)
Beers ES 3600 Alabama Avenue SE 508 672 (164)
Key ES 5001 Dana Place NW 432 580 (148)
Bancroft ES 1755 Newton Street NW 550 686 (136)
Eaton ES 3301 Lowell Street NW 451 587 (136)
J O Wilson ES 660 K Street NE 513 647 (134)
Mann ES 4430 Newark Street NW 428 555 (127)
Seaton ES 1503 10th Street NW 446 565 (119)
Shepherd ES 7800 14th Street NW 400 496 (96)
Cleveland ES 1825 8th Street NW 346 437 (91)
Tyler ES 1001 G Street SE 564 655 (91)
Ludlow-Taylor ES 659 G Street NE 493 581 (88)
Marie Reed ES 2201 18th Street NW 486 571 (85)
Barnard ES 430 Decatur Street NW 753 836 (83)
Nalle ES 219 50th Street SE 400 480 (80)
Hearst ES 3950 37th Street NW 344 422 (78)
Payne ES 1445 C Street SE 348 425 (77)
Thomson ES 1200 L Street NW 357 427 (70)
H D Cooke ES 2525 17th Street NW 441 508 (67)
Stoddert ES 4001 Calvert Street NW 489 554 (65)
Ross ES 1730 R Street NW 176 230 (54)
Turner ES 3264 Stanton Road SE 530 582 (52)
Peabody ES (Capitol Hill Cluster) 425 C Street NE 240 291 (51)
Amidon-Bowen ES 401 I Street SW 400 446 (46)
Ketcham ES 1919 15th Street SE 325 369 (44)
Oyster Adams Bilingual School (Oyster) 2801 Calvert Street NW 375 401 (26)
Drew ES 5600 Eads Street NE 362 385 (23)
Maury ES 1250 Constitution Avenue NE 539 562 (23)
Boone ES 2200 Minnesota Avenue SE 468 487 (19)
Garrison ES 1200 S Street NW 356 369 (13)
Murch ES 4810 36th Street NW 730 739 (9)
Hyde-Addison ES 3219 O Street NW 400 406 (6)

Tubman ES 3101 13th Street NW 629 627 2
Watkins ES (Capitol Hill Cluster) 420 12th Street SE 460 457 3
Simon ES 401 Mississippi Avenue SE 325 312 13
Garfield ES 2435 Alabama Avenue SE 381 363 18
School Within School at Goding 920 F Street NE 444 421 23
Moten ES 1565 Morris Road SE 480 448 32
Bruce Monroe ES at Park View 3560 Warder Street NW 609 572 37
Burrville ES 801 Division Avenue NE 400 361 39
Kimball ES 3375 Minnesota Avenue SE 450 411 39
Plummer ES 4601 Texas Avenue SE 448 408 40
Langdon EC 1900 Evarts Street NE 500 446 54
Stanton ES 2701 Naylor Road SE 586 532 54
Thomas ES 650 Anacostia Avenue NE 474 419 55
Smothers ES 4400 Brooks Street NE 337 279 58
Dorothy Height ES 1300 Allison Street NW 635 558 77
Randle Highlands ES 1650 30th Street SE 450 370 80
C W Harris ES 301 53rd Street SE 418 332 86
Noyes EC 2725 10th Street NE 379 290 89
Houston ES 1100 50th Place NE 400 310 90
King, M L ES 3200 6th Street SE 444 352 92
Burroughs EC 1820 Monroe Street NE 450 355 95
Patterson ES 4399 South Capitol Terrace SW 498 388 110
Hendley ES 425 Chesapeake Street SE 479 343 136
Malcolm X ES at Green 1500 Mississippi Avenue SE 520 343 177
Langley EC 101 T Street NE 530 345 185
Miner ES 601 15th Street NE 550 339 211
Savoy ES 2400 Shannon Place SE 430 190 240
Bunker Hill ES 1401 Michigan Avenue NE 577 320 257
Aiton ES 533 48th Place NE 529 271 258

Total 30,224 31,110 (886)


Where is Raymond? Are they closing it?


Several schools aren't on here (Walker-Jones, Takoma, Leckie, CHM@L, West, Wheatley, etc.)--it seems like a lot of the ECs. With all the kids in Petworth and Brightwood, they really shouldn't close Raymond. Looking at the report card, it's got 2-3 classes in each grade (maybe more for K, which has 81 kids!).
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:A mega-elementary school is a ridiculous idea.


The other alternatives are build 1100+ new seats WOTP (at around $100K/seat) or send 1100+ kids EOTP for elementary school. Or maybe lose those kids to privates and Bethesda.


If you send my kid on an hour commute to MS or HS, you will lose us to private or MD. If we wanted long commutes, we would live in the subury.

More importantly, you would not find an educator in the country who would say that a mega elementary school would be good for the kids.

So, fine, build more schools. Why not? It’s beside the point that there is capacity on the other side of town if they haven’t managed development accordingly.


It's not an hour commute from Mt. Pleasant to MacFarland or Shepherd Park to Wells.
Also, if you go to private, we'll still have your taxes and not have to educate your kids. If you go to MD, we'll get the transfer tax when you sell your house and someone else (who will earn plenty of money and pay plenty of taxes) will replace you. DC, and DCPS, don't really care if you stay or not.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:A mega-elementary school is a ridiculous idea.


The other alternatives are build 1100+ new seats WOTP (at around $100K/seat) or send 1100+ kids EOTP for elementary school. Or maybe lose those kids to privates and Bethesda.


If you send my kid on an hour commute to MS or HS, you will lose us to private or MD. If we wanted long commutes, we would live in the subury.

More importantly, you would not find an educator in the country who would say that a mega elementary school would be good for the kids.

So, fine, build more schools. Why not? It’s beside the point that there is capacity on the other side of town if they haven’t managed development accordingly.


It's not an hour commute from Mt. Pleasant to MacFarland or Shepherd Park to Wells.
Also, if you go to private, we'll still have your taxes and not have to educate your kids. If you go to MD, we'll get the transfer tax when you sell your house and someone else (who will earn plenty of money and pay plenty of taxes) will replace you. DC, and DCPS, don't really care if you stay or not.


From my home — and from much of upper NW to Mt. Pleasant is 15-20 minutes by car, probably 40 minutes minimum by public transportation. What high school woth so much free space are you envisioning sending the Wilson kids to? The space is mostly in East of the River, I believe.

Meanwhile, we don’t own my home, we rent, mainly to have flexibility for schools when faced with the uncertainty of DC schools. We moved once to be near our preschool and once to get the ES right. We can move again, and you will get no transfer tax.

Finally, There are lots of people like me. And when we all move, who is going to buy our homes and rent our apartments when their kids will then go to a poorly-conceived elementary school and MS and HS far outside the neighborhood? Real estate values — and property taxes — will plummet.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:A mega-elementary school is a ridiculous idea.


The other alternatives are build 1100+ new seats WOTP (at around $100K/seat) or send 1100+ kids EOTP for elementary school. Or maybe lose those kids to privates and Bethesda.


If you send my kid on an hour commute to MS or HS, you will lose us to private or MD. If we wanted long commutes, we would live in the subury.

More importantly, you would not find an educator in the country who would say that a mega elementary school would be good for the kids.

So, fine, build more schools. Why not? It’s beside the point that there is capacity on the other side of town if they haven’t managed development accordingly.


It's not an hour commute from Mt. Pleasant to MacFarland or Shepherd Park to Wells.
Also, if you go to private, we'll still have your taxes and not have to educate your kids. If you go to MD, we'll get the transfer tax when you sell your house and someone else (who will earn plenty of money and pay plenty of taxes) will replace you. DC, and DCPS, don't really care if you stay or not.


From my home — and from much of upper NW to Mt. Pleasant is 15-20 minutes by car, probably 40 minutes minimum by public transportation. What high school woth so much free space are you envisioning sending the Wilson kids to? The space is mostly in East of the River, I believe.

Meanwhile, we don’t own my home, we rent, mainly to have flexibility for schools when faced with the uncertainty of DC schools. We moved once to be near our preschool and once to get the ES right. We can move again, and you will get no transfer tax.

Finally, There are lots of people like me. And when we all move, who is going to buy our homes and rent our apartments when their kids will then go to a poorly-conceived elementary school and MS and HS far outside the neighborhood? Real estate values — and property taxes — will plummet.


Kids zoned for Wilson can go to Wells and Coolidge from Lafayette and Shepherd, and to MacFarland and Roosevelt from Bancroft and Oyster. For some of these kids, that will result in shorter or similar commutes. It's not likely to be an hour for any of them.

You won't all move. And DC government doesn't see the ones who would leave as a great loss. They'd rather have college students or recent grads or empty nesters move into your rental. To most of the council, and to the mayor, keeping low-income families in DC is more important than keeping high-income ones. Gentrification, not a bunch of rich families moving to MoCo, is what they fear.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Elementary School Gap Analysis -- 2027 Projections

School Address 2027 Capacity 2027 Enrollment Difference
Lafayette ES 5701 Broad Branch Road NW 805 1,167 (362)
Van Ness ES 1150 5th Street SE 347 653 (306)
Powell ES 1350 Upshur Street NW 480 713 (233)
Brent ES 301 North Carolina Avenue SE 408 577 (169)
Janney ES 4130 Albemarle Street NW 722 887 (165)
Beers ES 3600 Alabama Avenue SE 508 672 (164)
Key ES 5001 Dana Place NW 432 580 (148)
Bancroft ES 1755 Newton Street NW 550 686 (136)
Eaton ES 3301 Lowell Street NW 451 587 (136)
J O Wilson ES 660 K Street NE 513 647 (134)
Mann ES 4430 Newark Street NW 428 555 (127)
Seaton ES 1503 10th Street NW 446 565 (119)
Shepherd ES 7800 14th Street NW 400 496 (96)
Cleveland ES 1825 8th Street NW 346 437 (91)
Tyler ES 1001 G Street SE 564 655 (91)
Ludlow-Taylor ES 659 G Street NE 493 581 (88)
Marie Reed ES 2201 18th Street NW 486 571 (85)
Barnard ES 430 Decatur Street NW 753 836 (83)
Nalle ES 219 50th Street SE 400 480 (80)
Hearst ES 3950 37th Street NW 344 422 (78)
Payne ES 1445 C Street SE 348 425 (77)
Thomson ES 1200 L Street NW 357 427 (70)
H D Cooke ES 2525 17th Street NW 441 508 (67)
Stoddert ES 4001 Calvert Street NW 489 554 (65)
Ross ES 1730 R Street NW 176 230 (54)
Turner ES 3264 Stanton Road SE 530 582 (52)
Peabody ES (Capitol Hill Cluster) 425 C Street NE 240 291 (51)
Amidon-Bowen ES 401 I Street SW 400 446 (46)
Ketcham ES 1919 15th Street SE 325 369 (44)
Oyster Adams Bilingual School (Oyster) 2801 Calvert Street NW 375 401 (26)
Drew ES 5600 Eads Street NE 362 385 (23)
Maury ES 1250 Constitution Avenue NE 539 562 (23)
Boone ES 2200 Minnesota Avenue SE 468 487 (19)
Garrison ES 1200 S Street NW 356 369 (13)
Murch ES 4810 36th Street NW 730 739 (9)
Hyde-Addison ES 3219 O Street NW 400 406 (6)

Tubman ES 3101 13th Street NW 629 627 2
Watkins ES (Capitol Hill Cluster) 420 12th Street SE 460 457 3
Simon ES 401 Mississippi Avenue SE 325 312 13
Garfield ES 2435 Alabama Avenue SE 381 363 18
School Within School at Goding 920 F Street NE 444 421 23
Moten ES 1565 Morris Road SE 480 448 32
Bruce Monroe ES at Park View 3560 Warder Street NW 609 572 37
Burrville ES 801 Division Avenue NE 400 361 39
Kimball ES 3375 Minnesota Avenue SE 450 411 39
Plummer ES 4601 Texas Avenue SE 448 408 40
Langdon EC 1900 Evarts Street NE 500 446 54
Stanton ES 2701 Naylor Road SE 586 532 54
Thomas ES 650 Anacostia Avenue NE 474 419 55
Smothers ES 4400 Brooks Street NE 337 279 58
Dorothy Height ES 1300 Allison Street NW 635 558 77
Randle Highlands ES 1650 30th Street SE 450 370 80
C W Harris ES 301 53rd Street SE 418 332 86
Noyes EC 2725 10th Street NE 379 290 89
Houston ES 1100 50th Place NE 400 310 90
King, M L ES 3200 6th Street SE 444 352 92
Burroughs EC 1820 Monroe Street NE 450 355 95
Patterson ES 4399 South Capitol Terrace SW 498 388 110
Hendley ES 425 Chesapeake Street SE 479 343 136
Malcolm X ES at Green 1500 Mississippi Avenue SE 520 343 177
Langley EC 101 T Street NE 530 345 185
Miner ES 601 15th Street NE 550 339 211
Savoy ES 2400 Shannon Place SE 430 190 240
Bunker Hill ES 1401 Michigan Avenue NE 577 320 257
Aiton ES 533 48th Place NE 529 271 258

Total 30,224 31,110 (886)


Where is Raymond? Are they closing it?


Several schools aren't on here (Walker-Jones, Takoma, Leckie, CHM@L, West, Wheatley, etc.)--it seems like a lot of the ECs. With all the kids in Petworth and Brightwood, they really shouldn't close Raymond. Looking at the report card, it's got 2-3 classes in each grade (maybe more for K, which has 81 kids!).


The list is just elementary schools, not elementary/middle.

Here are the K-8 schools:

Brightwood EC 1300 Nicholson Street NW 1069 771 298
Browne EC 850 26th Street NE 828 423 405
Truesdell EC 800 Ingraham Street NW 775 763 12
Walker-Jones EC 1125 New Jersey Avenue NW 700 555 145
Raymond EC 915 Spring Road NW 649 632 17
Leckie ES 4201 Martin Luther King Jr Avenue SW 580 743 -163
Whittier EC 6201 5th Street NW 520 331 189
SWW @ Francis Stevens EC 2425 N Street NW 513 680 -167
Wheatley EC 1299 Neal Street NE 500 372 128
Takoma EC 7010 Piney Branch Road NW 450 503 -53
LaSalle-Backus EC 501 Riggs Road NE 400 361 39
West EC 1338 Farragut Street NW 378 461 -83

Totals: 7362 6595 767


Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:A mega-elementary school is a ridiculous idea.


The other alternatives are build 1100+ new seats WOTP (at around $100K/seat) or send 1100+ kids EOTP for elementary school. Or maybe lose those kids to privates and Bethesda.


If you send my kid on an hour commute to MS or HS, you will lose us to private or MD. If we wanted long commutes, we would live in the subury.

More importantly, you would not find an educator in the country who would say that a mega elementary school would be good for the kids.

So, fine, build more schools. Why not? It’s beside the point that there is capacity on the other side of town if they haven’t managed development accordingly.


It's not an hour commute from Mt. Pleasant to MacFarland or Shepherd Park to Wells.
Also, if you go to private, we'll still have your taxes and not have to educate your kids. If you go to MD, we'll get the transfer tax when you sell your house and someone else (who will earn plenty of money and pay plenty of taxes) will replace you. DC, and DCPS, don't really care if you stay or not.


From my home — and from much of upper NW to Mt. Pleasant is 15-20 minutes by car, probably 40 minutes minimum by public transportation. What high school woth so much free space are you envisioning sending the Wilson kids to? The space is mostly in East of the River, I believe.

Meanwhile, we don’t own my home, we rent, mainly to have flexibility for schools when faced with the uncertainty of DC schools. We moved once to be near our preschool and once to get the ES right. We can move again, and you will get no transfer tax.

Finally, There are lots of people like me. And when we all move, who is going to buy our homes and rent our apartments when their kids will then go to a poorly-conceived elementary school and MS and HS far outside the neighborhood? Real estate values — and property taxes — will plummet.


Young professionals without kids. The largest, wealthiest and fastest growing demographic in the city.

Truth is families with children use the most city services (schools, summer camps, rec centers and fields, free transit, tax deductions). We are just not the most desired residents from a city planner's perspective -- my family's $150K in income is taxed at a lower rate than the single person across the street. They also eat out more and don't use schools etc.

As for holding property values, my Ward 4 home has appreciated 100% in the 10 years since we bought it. And our IB DCPS schools are 1- and 2- STARs. But we are near a Metro, which is more important.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:A mega-elementary school is a ridiculous idea.


The other alternatives are build 1100+ new seats WOTP (at around $100K/seat) or send 1100+ kids EOTP for elementary school. Or maybe lose those kids to privates and Bethesda.


If you send my kid on an hour commute to MS or HS, you will lose us to private or MD. If we wanted long commutes, we would live in the subury.

More importantly, you would not find an educator in the country who would say that a mega elementary school would be good for the kids.

So, fine, build more schools. Why not? It’s beside the point that there is capacity on the other side of town if they haven’t managed development accordingly.


It's not an hour commute from Mt. Pleasant to MacFarland or Shepherd Park to Wells.
Also, if you go to private, we'll still have your taxes and not have to educate your kids. If you go to MD, we'll get the transfer tax when you sell your house and someone else (who will earn plenty of money and pay plenty of taxes) will replace you. DC, and DCPS, don't really care if you stay or not.


From my home — and from much of upper NW to Mt. Pleasant is 15-20 minutes by car, probably 40 minutes minimum by public transportation. What high school woth so much free space are you envisioning sending the Wilson kids to? The space is mostly in East of the River, I believe.

Meanwhile, we don’t own my home, we rent, mainly to have flexibility for schools when faced with the uncertainty of DC schools. We moved once to be near our preschool and once to get the ES right. We can move again, and you will get no transfer tax.

Finally, There are lots of people like me. And when we all move, who is going to buy our homes and rent our apartments when their kids will then go to a poorly-conceived elementary school and MS and HS far outside the neighborhood? Real estate values — and property taxes — will plummet.


Many, many students in DC travel far further than that already. They're not going to have a lot of sympathy.
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Anonymous wrote:I think so. Especially languagenor Montessori.


You want 6th graders with no exposure to Montessori or immersion to start middle school?

No, these schools need to be more in line with Latin or other traditional schools. They need to be pulling from the Wilson feeder elementary schools, drawing them away from Deal and Hardy.


Except for the fact that charters are supposed to fill a curriculum void (language, Montessori, gifted ed, STEM, special ed, etc...), or pursue a civic mission, like education equity, *not* address overcrowding in a wealthy public school area. DCPS is responsible for planning to address that.

Of course, the city can get around that by allowing into Ward 3 a charter that fills a city-wide curriculum void. But I'd still much prefer that DCPS address overcrowding with high quality public schools, and that the city-wide charters be placed more centrally, accessible to the whole city, and further away from the private school kids.


Charters have used the curriculum gaps to expand, but that's not really the primary purpose. The charters movement began as an effort apply practical innovation which could be applied to the education landscape (public and private). In many ways DCPS has followed that lead in terms of expanding immersion, Montessori, etc.

But in reality, charters are mostly private entities carving out fiefdoms within the public ed landscape. As long as public dollars are being spent on charters the money should address structural inequities in public education, although that logic applies to the Wilson zone in a very different way than OP thinks.


A cryptic response. How does that logic apply to Wilson, exactly?


not really -- Wilson feed is the embodiment of inequity in DC public ed. Charters aren't intended to exacerbate this inequity by serving the overserved


But they are not overserved by a long shot. And moreover, one of the main problems is that they are serving so many OOB kids- kids who are lower SES, which is then offering all that overserved benefits to the underserved. You can't say that Deal/Wlison is overserved when 41%/30% of the students are from other parts of the city.


First of all, the "Wilson feed" is not Wilson -- that includes Janney, Lafayette, Mann and the rest of Upper Caucasia. Secondly, Wilson has a much small rate of at-risk than other HS in DC. Step out of your bubble and breath in the air the rest of dc public ed community breaths.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think so. Especially languagenor Montessori.


You want 6th graders with no exposure to Montessori or immersion to start middle school?

No, these schools need to be more in line with Latin or other traditional schools. They need to be pulling from the Wilson feeder elementary schools, drawing them away from Deal and Hardy.


Except for the fact that charters are supposed to fill a curriculum void (language, Montessori, gifted ed, STEM, special ed, etc...), or pursue a civic mission, like education equity, *not* address overcrowding in a wealthy public school area. DCPS is responsible for planning to address that.

Of course, the city can get around that by allowing into Ward 3 a charter that fills a city-wide curriculum void. But I'd still much prefer that DCPS address overcrowding with high quality public schools, and that the city-wide charters be placed more centrally, accessible to the whole city, and further away from the private school kids.


Charters have used the curriculum gaps to expand, but that's not really the primary purpose. The charters movement began as an effort apply practical innovation which could be applied to the education landscape (public and private). In many ways DCPS has followed that lead in terms of expanding immersion, Montessori, etc.

But in reality, charters are mostly private entities carving out fiefdoms within the public ed landscape. As long as public dollars are being spent on charters the money should address structural inequities in public education, although that logic applies to the Wilson zone in a very different way than OP thinks.


A cryptic response. How does that logic apply to Wilson, exactly?


not really -- Wilson feed is the embodiment of inequity in DC public ed. Charters aren't intended to exacerbate this inequity by serving the overserved


But they are not overserved by a long shot. And moreover, one of the main problems is that they are serving so many OOB kids- kids who are lower SES, which is then offering all that overserved benefits to the underserved. You can't say that Deal/Wlison is overserved when 41%/30% of the students are from other parts of the city.


First of all, the "Wilson feed" is not Wilson -- that includes Janney, Lafayette, Mann and the rest of Upper Caucasia. Secondly, Wilson has a much small rate of at-risk than other HS in DC. Step out of your bubble and breath in the air the rest of dc public ed community breaths.


Please, educate me on how Wilson feeders are overserved. Other than by simply having kids who achieve.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:A mega-elementary school is a ridiculous idea.


The other alternatives are build 1100+ new seats WOTP (at around $100K/seat) or send 1100+ kids EOTP for elementary school. Or maybe lose those kids to privates and Bethesda.


If you send my kid on an hour commute to MS or HS, you will lose us to private or MD. If we wanted long commutes, we would live in the subury.

More importantly, you would not find an educator in the country who would say that a mega elementary school would be good for the kids.

So, fine, build more schools. Why not? It’s beside the point that there is capacity on the other side of town if they haven’t managed development accordingly.


It's not an hour commute from Mt. Pleasant to MacFarland or Shepherd Park to Wells.
Also, if you go to private, we'll still have your taxes and not have to educate your kids. If you go to MD, we'll get the transfer tax when you sell your house and someone else (who will earn plenty of money and pay plenty of taxes) will replace you. DC, and DCPS, don't really care if you stay or not.


From my home — and from much of upper NW to Mt. Pleasant is 15-20 minutes by car, probably 40 minutes minimum by public transportation. What high school woth so much free space are you envisioning sending the Wilson kids to? The space is mostly in East of the River, I believe.

Meanwhile, we don’t own my home, we rent, mainly to have flexibility for schools when faced with the uncertainty of DC schools. We moved once to be near our preschool and once to get the ES right. We can move again, and you will get no transfer tax.

Finally, There are lots of people like me. And when we all move, who is going to buy our homes and rent our apartments when their kids will then go to a poorly-conceived elementary school and MS and HS far outside the neighborhood? Real estate values — and property taxes — will plummet.


Many, many students in DC travel far further than that already. They're not going to have a lot of sympathy.


The 40 minutes I mention is just to get to the Mt. Pleasant starting point, not the destinations I envisioned above.
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Anonymous wrote:A mega-elementary school is a ridiculous idea.


The other alternatives are build 1100+ new seats WOTP (at around $100K/seat) or send 1100+ kids EOTP for elementary school. Or maybe lose those kids to privates and Bethesda.


If you send my kid on an hour commute to MS or HS, you will lose us to private or MD. If we wanted long commutes, we would live in the subury.

More importantly, you would not find an educator in the country who would say that a mega elementary school would be good for the kids.

So, fine, build more schools. Why not? It’s beside the point that there is capacity on the other side of town if they haven’t managed development accordingly.


It's not an hour commute from Mt. Pleasant to MacFarland or Shepherd Park to Wells.
Also, if you go to private, we'll still have your taxes and not have to educate your kids. If you go to MD, we'll get the transfer tax when you sell your house and someone else (who will earn plenty of money and pay plenty of taxes) will replace you. DC, and DCPS, don't really care if you stay or not.


From my home — and from much of upper NW to Mt. Pleasant is 15-20 minutes by car, probably 40 minutes minimum by public transportation. What high school woth so much free space are you envisioning sending the Wilson kids to? The space is mostly in East of the River, I believe.

Meanwhile, we don’t own my home, we rent, mainly to have flexibility for schools when faced with the uncertainty of DC schools. We moved once to be near our preschool and once to get the ES right. We can move again, and you will get no transfer tax.

Finally, There are lots of people like me. And when we all move, who is going to buy our homes and rent our apartments when their kids will then go to a poorly-conceived elementary school and MS and HS far outside the neighborhood? Real estate values — and property taxes — will plummet.


Young professionals without kids. The largest, wealthiest and fastest growing demographic in the city.

Truth is families with children use the most city services (schools, summer camps, rec centers and fields, free transit, tax deductions). We are just not the most desired residents from a city planner's perspective -- my family's $150K in income is taxed at a lower rate than the single person across the street. They also eat out more and don't use schools etc.

As for holding property values, my Ward 4 home has appreciated 100% in the 10 years since we bought it. And our IB DCPS schools are 1- and 2- STARs. But we are near a Metro, which is more important.


Young professionals without kids are not buying the zillions of 4 bedroom Colonial SFHs with a yard in Upper NW.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:A mega-elementary school is a ridiculous idea.


The other alternatives are build 1100+ new seats WOTP (at around $100K/seat) or send 1100+ kids EOTP for elementary school. Or maybe lose those kids to privates and Bethesda.


If you send my kid on an hour commute to MS or HS, you will lose us to private or MD. If we wanted long commutes, we would live in the subury.

More importantly, you would not find an educator in the country who would say that a mega elementary school would be good for the kids.

So, fine, build more schools. Why not? It’s beside the point that there is capacity on the other side of town if they haven’t managed development accordingly.


It's not an hour commute from Mt. Pleasant to MacFarland or Shepherd Park to Wells.
Also, if you go to private, we'll still have your taxes and not have to educate your kids. If you go to MD, we'll get the transfer tax when you sell your house and someone else (who will earn plenty of money and pay plenty of taxes) will replace you. DC, and DCPS, don't really care if you stay or not.


From my home — and from much of upper NW to Mt. Pleasant is 15-20 minutes by car, probably 40 minutes minimum by public transportation. What high school woth so much free space are you envisioning sending the Wilson kids to? The space is mostly in East of the River, I believe.

Meanwhile, we don’t own my home, we rent, mainly to have flexibility for schools when faced with the uncertainty of DC schools. We moved once to be near our preschool and once to get the ES right. We can move again, and you will get no transfer tax.

Finally, There are lots of people like me. And when we all move, who is going to buy our homes and rent our apartments when their kids will then go to a poorly-conceived elementary school and MS and HS far outside the neighborhood? Real estate values — and property taxes — will plummet.


Many, many students in DC travel far further than that already. They're not going to have a lot of sympathy.


The 40 minutes I mention is just to get to the Mt. Pleasant starting point, not the destinations I envisioned above.


Correction— the destinations *PP* envisioned
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