Another racial incident at Churchill HS

[Anonymous]

Every time it comes out that another hate crime has occurred at Churchill instead of considering how a privileged and segregated environment might foster these outcomes parents like to fabricate this narrative that it happens everywhere you just don't hear about it so it's okay. I guess it's easier to duck responsibility with this nonsense but things aren't going to get better by dismissing the matter. It continues to happen specifically at Churchill over and over but other schools not so much.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For a principal who tweets about Restorative Justice, I wonder why she doesn't go that route vs. the criminal justice system for these types of cases?

A big study just came out showing that Restorative Justice doesn't work, let me see if I can fish it out.

Thank you. I would be interested in the study. However, my point is the hypocrisy and double standard in MCPS discipline.

+1 My children have seen staff members use language that was deeply offensive and hurtful, yet MCPS chain of command protects their own when reported. Examples: a teacher commented in front of a class that a particular female student dressed like a "whore". This student was deeply hurt and embarrassed by the comment. My children also have also heard a different staff member use the words p*ssy, b*tch, f*g, qu**r, when talking with them or other students.

Someone really needs to do a deeper investigation into Churchill. You can arrest the student offenders but the climate is still horrendous if you don't fix the culture of the staff.

If someone dresses like a whore, it's much much better to learn that lesson in school, not in real life, don't you think?

I hate all the other words you mention -- that staff member should be fired (but you know unions don't allow that to happen)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For a principal who tweets about Restorative Justice, I wonder why she doesn't go that route vs. the criminal justice system for these types of cases?

A big study just came out showing that Restorative Justice doesn't work, let me see if I can fish it out.

Thank you. I would be interested in the study. However, my point is the hypocrisy and double standard in MCPS discipline.

+1 My children have seen staff members use language that was deeply offensive and hurtful, yet MCPS chain of command protects their own when reported. Examples: a teacher commented in front of a class that a particular female student dressed like a "whore". This student was deeply hurt and embarrassed by the comment. My children also have also heard a different staff member use the words p*ssy, b*tch, f*g, qu**r, when talking with them or other students.

Someone really needs to do a deeper investigation into Churchill. You can arrest the student offenders but the climate is still horrendous if you don't fix the culture of the staff.

If someone dresses like a whore, it's much much better to learn that lesson in school, not in real life, don't you think?

I hate all the other words you mention -- that staff member should be fired (but you know unions don't allow that to happen)

It is unprofessional to call a child a name and what type of example does that provide the students?

If the student's outfit doesn't conform to the dress code a teacher should give the student a pass to go to the office because of a dress code violation. The Assistant Principal or Principal can then explain in private to the student what was wrong and call parents if the student needs a change of clothing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. What was the incident?

Swastikas drawn on a desk.

A dumb kid doodling on a desk caused all of this commotion? Give me a break. Is there some suspicion that there is a member of the Hitler Youth in the school? Do these ignorant administrators think that an email is going to solve the problem? Far, far better to do nothing besides assign a man to scrub the thing out of the desk and move on.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. What was the incident?

Swastikas drawn on a desk.

A dumb kid doodling on a desk caused all of this commotion? Give me a break. Is there some suspicion that there is a member of the Hitler Youth in the school? Do these ignorant administrators think that an email is going to solve the problem? Far, far better to do nothing besides assign a man to scrub the thing out of the desk and move on.

+1.

I am sure other kids actually wear BLM shirts, and that's as racist and hateful as drawing some random swastika

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow. What was the incident?

Swastikas drawn on a desk.

A dumb kid doodling on a desk caused all of this commotion? Give me a break. Is there some suspicion that there is a member of the Hitler Youth in the school? Do these ignorant administrators think that an email is going to solve the problem? Far, far better to do nothing besides assign a man to scrub the thing out of the desk and move on.

+1.

I am sure other kids actually wear BLM shirts, and that's as racist and hateful as drawing some random swastika

The swastikas on a desk were earlier in the week. Last Friday a number of students were handing out “N-Word passes,” which is what the commotion (as you called it) was about. Sure, keep sweeping it under the rug like Benz did. THAT really seemed to work.

Time for Potomac parents to take their collective heads out of their collective asses and realize that their entitled kiddies engage in racist and anti-Semitic behaviors.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's a thought, has anyone asked the student body as to why they think these "hate crimes" are happening? Are they truly acts of hate or is it ignorance and teenage rebellion?

In our house, we have had discussions about the power of language and symbols. However, as a parent I often feel that words that would have been considered repulsive for my generation has gathered acceptance via music and pop culture. Kids are not ostracized by their peers as they use them in social settings. Instead kids are accepted and viewed as cool by their peers for pushing that envelope against the adult rules.

That is not a recent phenomenon.

So then why does Mrs. Heckert think that calling the acts hate crimes that rise to the level of police involvement will stop the behavior? Is there a better way to create change and understanding of the historic power of what the words and symbols represent?

Case in point, history teaches us that the N word represents a derogatory term meant to segregate and oppress a race because of skin color. A KKK clan robe, a noose, a burning cross, and swastika all represent murder. Not pleasant or funny things when you see them up close or are an actual target in a life threatening way. Students in an affluent suburbia would benefit from the up close and personal experiences that come from the museum exhibits that they are not getting in the classroom. They need an interactive experience to understand the power of the words and symbols they throw around so lightly and with little thought.

Teens want to attract attention. They need to have a clear message sent to them that the negative consequences of racist behavior outweigh the positives. Also, they need to be educated about why these behaviors cause so much pain for populations which have a history of being victims of oppression.

Parents have the obligation to teach their children values, and parental values may contribute to these attitudes sometimes. MCPS needs to educate the children, and the school leadership needs to create an environment of respect for diversity and sensitivity to others. There have been other incidents at Churchill for years. They have increased under Mrs. Heckert. Instead of showing leadership in teaching understanding and values, she sidesteps the issue by calling the police.

The teens' actions were grossly inappropriate and insensitive and deserve discipline under MCPS policies. They aren't hate crimes or any crime from what we have heard. By calling in the police, who probably told Mrs. Heckert there wasn't a crime and closed the case, the teens see it as if there wasn't anything wrong with what they did.

The administration's response to these incidents has been emails, meetings, and calls to the police. Things will get better when Churchill gets a principal creates a culture of respect and responds appropriately to incidents when they do occur.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow. What was the incident?

Swastikas drawn on a desk.

A dumb kid doodling on a desk caused all of this commotion? Give me a break. Is there some suspicion that there is a member of the Hitler Youth in the school? Do these ignorant administrators think that an email is going to solve the problem? Far, far better to do nothing besides assign a man to scrub the thing out of the desk and move on.

Wtf is wrong with your kid that he's "doodling" swastikas??
That's the first image that comes to his mind when he's bored in class??

No wonder you think it's no big deal...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow. What was the incident?

Swastikas drawn on a desk.

A dumb kid doodling on a desk caused all of this commotion? Give me a break. Is there some suspicion that there is a member of the Hitler Youth in the school? Do these ignorant administrators think that an email is going to solve the problem? Far, far better to do nothing besides assign a man to scrub the thing out of the desk and move on.

+1.

I am sure other kids actually wear BLM shirts, and that's as racist and hateful as drawing some random swastika

The swastikas on a desk were earlier in the week. Last Friday a number of students were handing out “N-Word passes,” which is what the commotion (as you called it) was about. Sure, keep sweeping it under the rug like Benz did. THAT really seemed to work.

Time for Potomac parents to take their collective heads out of their collective asses and realize that their entitled kiddies engage in racist and anti-Semitic behaviors.

You are confusing posters. I never called anything a commotion.

Speaking about your anti-Semitic concerns, I assume you already have discussed with your family and friends you won't be able to vote for a Dem candidate in 2020.

It's good to be coherent.

[Anonymous]

Interesting how everything at Churchill is publicized and made to seem as if the students and staff are the most horrible, insensitive people in the county. There are a LOT of good people in the community and as my DS said yesterday, "everybody acts like this is just at Churchill and it's not, believe me". Let's face it, we all know where this horrible, divisive climate came from and until something changes up there, this type of behavior is unfortunately going to continue.Do we talk to our kids about this stuff, absolutely. Do they participate in it at school or anywhere else, No. I am not defending this behavior at all, but we have a much larger problem in this country and it's not contained to one high school in Montgomery County.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting how everything at Churchill is publicized and made to seem as if the students and staff are the most horrible, insensitive people in the county. There are a LOT of good people in the community and as my DS said yesterday, "everybody acts like this is just at Churchill and it's not, believe me". Let's face it, we all know where this horrible, divisive climate came from and until something changes up there, this type of behavior is unfortunately going to continue.Do we talk to our kids about this stuff, absolutely. Do they participate in it at school or anywhere else, No. I am not defending this behavior at all, but we have a much larger problem in this country and it's not contained to one high school in Montgomery County.

I don't things at Churchill are more publicized than anyplace else. It's that these things happen there with a much greater frequency. Pretending that it happens everywhere when there's no evidence to support this assertion is just a way of deflecting to avoid responsibility for these heinous actions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting how everything at Churchill is publicized and made to seem as if the students and staff are the most horrible, insensitive people in the county. There are a LOT of good people in the community and as my DS said yesterday, "everybody acts like this is just at Churchill and it's not, believe me". Let's face it, we all know where this horrible, divisive climate came from and until something changes up there, this type of behavior is unfortunately going to continue.Do we talk to our kids about this stuff, absolutely. Do they participate in it at school or anywhere else, No. I am not defending this behavior at all, but we have a much larger problem in this country and it's not contained to one high school in Montgomery County.

I don't things at Churchill are more publicized than anyplace else. It's that these things happen there with a much greater frequency. Pretending that it happens everywhere when there's no evidence to support this assertion is just a way of deflecting to avoid responsibility for these heinous actions.

Do these things happen with a much greater frequency at Churchill? Do we have some numbers? i.e. how many times these things happen at Churchill vs other schools in the last (3?) years? Let's see if we really have evidence to support this claim.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow. What was the incident?

Swastikas drawn on a desk.

A dumb kid doodling on a desk caused all of this commotion? Give me a break. Is there some suspicion that there is a member of the Hitler Youth in the school? Do these ignorant administrators think that an email is going to solve the problem? Far, far better to do nothing besides assign a man to scrub the thing out of the desk and move on.

+1.

I am sure other kids actually wear BLM shirts, and that's as racist and hateful as drawing some random swastika

It's pathetic you don't know the difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting how everything at Churchill is publicized and made to seem as if the students and staff are the most horrible, insensitive people in the county. There are a LOT of good people in the community and as my DS said yesterday, "everybody acts like this is just at Churchill and it's not, believe me". Let's face it, we all know where this horrible, divisive climate came from and until something changes up there, this type of behavior is unfortunately going to continue.Do we talk to our kids about this stuff, absolutely. Do they participate in it at school or anywhere else, No. I am not defending this behavior at all, but we have a much larger problem in this country and it's not contained to one high school in Montgomery County.

I don't things at Churchill are more publicized than anyplace else. It's that these things happen there with a much greater frequency. Pretending that it happens everywhere when there's no evidence to support this assertion is just a way of deflecting to avoid responsibility for these heinous actions.

+1 Students at Churchill were drawing swastikas and passing out N word passes. Similar behavior has been a problem at Hoover (I have a student there as well). I think the lack of diversity in these communities is a driving factor in the sense it is easier to scapegoat a race or religion if you don't have personal relationships or contact to develop respect and understanding of how hurtful these acts are.

Both principals at Churchill and Hoover used the same tactics when trying to deal with these problems which have been ineffective. They are robots probably following orders from the top which makes me think MCPS doesn't have a clear plan on how to improve school climate. I would not categorize ignorance in the same breath as hate so I think calling the police for a pencil drawing and a paper note is extreme and avoiding to deal with the underlying problem of bullying and disrespect within the schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow. What was the incident?

Swastikas drawn on a desk.

A dumb kid doodling on a desk caused all of this commotion? Give me a break. Is there some suspicion that there is a member of the Hitler Youth in the school? Do these ignorant administrators think that an email is going to solve the problem? Far, far better to do nothing besides assign a man to scrub the thing out of the desk and move on.

+1.

I am sure other kids actually wear BLM shirts, and that's as racist and hateful as drawing some random swastika

It's pathetic you don't know the difference.

Both are anti-Semitic and linked to hate and violence.

I know you prefer to ignore it, but facts are facts.