WJ v. BCC

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We are upper/middle class as are most of our friends. Our kids are or were at Einstein. All our kids did great, as expected, and are at college and grad school, as expected. What in hell is that troll above talking about?

Is there a way to get trolls off the forum?

You’re oblivious, Einstein is about 2/3 poor according to (at a glance) with 65.6% of kids either receiving FARMs or having got it in the past. Everyone acknowledges that concentrations of poverty are a problem so I am not sure how Einstein parents act like it isn’t there. I guess they do a good job putting the middle class white kids in a bubble where they are sheltered form the the rest of the school. Then the parents get to act like the bottom of the county graduation rates and test scores aren’t the few middle class white kids at the school so they don’t matter. Your kid made it out so I guess the facts that

1200 of 1800 kids at the school hover around the poverty line.
1/5 wont graduate
Almost 4/5 who do finish don’t qualify for the Maryland university system
Test scores among the worst in the county all don’t matter

It is all here, your anecdotal rose colored BS isn’t reflective of the school
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04789.pdf

It's cute how you think your ability to cite stats you looked up online is somehow more significant than the actual life experiences of families who live in the community and attend the school. Yes, there are families living in poverty; nobody is disputing that. But there are great teachers, administrators, and programs there too, and lots of kids are thriving there.

I am not the PP and have no dog in this fight, but it seems you are being totally irrational here.

Data pointing to huge problem for majority of kids in one high school is a hard cold fact. Opinions of families living in HS are simply opinions. In any world, facts are far more significant than opinion. Now if you can argue that facts are not indeed facts then it will be different situation.

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I don't know anything about Einstein to add much here, but I suspect problem is not the school. If you simply swap all kids between Whitman and Einstein without changing teachers, I am sure that collective results will be swapped as well. It's SES level which makes the most difference.

I never said facts don't matter. I acknowledged the truth about the poverty in the school. It's just that the at-a-glance reports don't give the whole picture. People describing real life experiences are not simply stating opinions; they are factually providing information about the school that can't be gleaned from the reports. That is usually what people asking questions about schools are seeking.

No dog in the fight but the Einstein boosters coming to a thread about other schools seem to be more troll worthy than someone saying they don’t buy what they are selling. Also these boosters also seem to be the ones who get the most giddy about the prospects of being zoned away from their beloved school to Woodward. Can’t count how many of them deliriously speculate about the equality boost they would recieve. That is telling what they really think of that school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are upper/middle class as are most of our friends. Our kids are or were at Einstein. All our kids did great, as expected, and are at college and grad school, as expected. What in hell is that troll above talking about?

Is there a way to get trolls off the forum?

You’re oblivious, Einstein is about 2/3 poor according to (at a glance) with 65.6% of kids either receiving FARMs or having got it in the past. Everyone acknowledges that concentrations of poverty are a problem so I am not sure how Einstein parents act like it isn’t there. I guess they do a good job putting the middle class white kids in a bubble where they are sheltered form the the rest of the school. Then the parents get to act like the bottom of the county graduation rates and test scores aren’t the few middle class white kids at the school so they don’t matter. Your kid made it out so I guess the facts that

1200 of 1800 kids at the school hover around the poverty line.
1/5 wont graduate
Almost 4/5 who do finish don’t qualify for the Maryland university system
Test scores among the worst in the county all don’t matter

It is all here, your anecdotal rose colored BS isn’t reflective of the school
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04789.pdf

It's cute how you think your ability to cite stats you looked up online is somehow more significant than the actual life experiences of families who live in the community and attend the school. Yes, there are families living in poverty; nobody is disputing that. But there are great teachers, administrators, and programs there too, and lots of kids are thriving there.

What happened to we are upper/middle class and all go to great colleges? Then when some points out there are very few of people like that at that school and they no way define it’s character while backing it up with the facts, you go into “but we know better”.

You are rationallizing living on the poor side of town while trying to convince people on an anonymous forum you aren’t like the average person at that school. Your insecurities are blinding you

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are upper/middle class as are most of our friends. Our kids are or were at Einstein. All our kids did great, as expected, and are at college and grad school, as expected. What in hell is that troll above talking about?

Is there a way to get trolls off the forum?

You’re oblivious, Einstein is about 2/3 poor according to (at a glance) with 65.6% of kids either receiving FARMs or having got it in the past. Everyone acknowledges that concentrations of poverty are a problem so I am not sure how Einstein parents act like it isn’t there. I guess they do a good job putting the middle class white kids in a bubble where they are sheltered form the the rest of the school. Then the parents get to act like the bottom of the county graduation rates and test scores aren’t the few middle class white kids at the school so they don’t matter. Your kid made it out so I guess the facts that

1200 of 1800 kids at the school hover around the poverty line.
1/5 wont graduate
Almost 4/5 who do finish don’t qualify for the Maryland university system
Test scores among the worst in the county all don’t matter

It is all here, your anecdotal rose colored BS isn’t reflective of the school
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04789.pdf

It's cute how you think your ability to cite stats you looked up online is somehow more significant than the actual life experiences of families who live in the community and attend the school. Yes, there are families living in poverty; nobody is disputing that. But there are great teachers, administrators, and programs there too, and lots of kids are thriving there.

You consider 2/3 in poverty, 4/5 not qualifying for college and 20% not graduating as thriving? What you clearly mean is the few white kids like yours are thriving because their parents find a way. Not the same thing as a good school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are upper/middle class as are most of our friends. Our kids are or were at Einstein. All our kids did great, as expected, and are at college and grad school, as expected. What in hell is that troll above talking about?

Is there a way to get trolls off the forum?

You’re oblivious, Einstein is about 2/3 poor according to (at a glance) with 65.6% of kids either receiving FARMs or having got it in the past. Everyone acknowledges that concentrations of poverty are a problem so I am not sure how Einstein parents act like it isn’t there. I guess they do a good job putting the middle class white kids in a bubble where they are sheltered form the the rest of the school. Then the parents get to act like the bottom of the county graduation rates and test scores aren’t the few middle class white kids at the school so they don’t matter. Your kid made it out so I guess the facts that

1200 of 1800 kids at the school hover around the poverty line.
1/5 wont graduate
Almost 4/5 who do finish don’t qualify for the Maryland university system
Test scores among the worst in the county all don’t matter

It is all here, your anecdotal rose colored BS isn’t reflective of the school
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04789.pdf

It's cute how you think your ability to cite stats you looked up online is somehow more significant than the actual life experiences of families who live in the community and attend the school. Yes, there are families living in poverty; nobody is disputing that. But there are great teachers, administrators, and programs there too, and lots of kids are thriving there.

I am not the PP and have no dog in this fight, but it seems you are being totally irrational here.

Data pointing to huge problem for majority of kids in one high school is a hard cold fact. Opinions of families living in HS are simply opinions. In any world, facts are far more significant than opinion. Now if you can argue that facts are not indeed facts then it will be different situation.

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I don't know anything about Einstein to add much here, but I suspect problem is not the school. If you simply swap all kids between Whitman and Einstein without changing teachers, I am sure that collective results will be swapped as well. It's SES level which makes the most difference.

I never said facts don't matter. I acknowledged the truth about the poverty in the school. It's just that the at-a-glance reports don't give the whole picture. People describing real life experiences are not simply stating opinions; they are factually providing information about the school that can't be gleaned from the reports. That is usually what people asking questions about schools are seeking.

No dog in the fight but the Einstein boosters coming to a thread about other schools seem to be more troll worthy than someone saying they don’t buy what they are selling. Also these boosters also seem to be the ones who get the most giddy about the prospects of being zoned away from their beloved school to Woodward. Can’t count how many of them deliriously speculate about the equality boost they would recieve. That is telling what they really think of that school

The OP said they were considering moving to Kensington, which is where Einstein is. People simply brought it up as another option to consider.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are upper/middle class as are most of our friends. Our kids are or were at Einstein. All our kids did great, as expected, and are at college and grad school, as expected. What in hell is that troll above talking about?

Is there a way to get trolls off the forum?

You’re oblivious, Einstein is about 2/3 poor according to (at a glance) with 65.6% of kids either receiving FARMs or having got it in the past. Everyone acknowledges that concentrations of poverty are a problem so I am not sure how Einstein parents act like it isn’t there. I guess they do a good job putting the middle class white kids in a bubble where they are sheltered form the the rest of the school. Then the parents get to act like the bottom of the county graduation rates and test scores aren’t the few middle class white kids at the school so they don’t matter. Your kid made it out so I guess the facts that

1200 of 1800 kids at the school hover around the poverty line.
1/5 wont graduate
Almost 4/5 who do finish don’t qualify for the Maryland university system
Test scores among the worst in the county all don’t matter

It is all here, your anecdotal rose colored BS isn’t reflective of the school
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04789.pdf

It's cute how you think your ability to cite stats you looked up online is somehow more significant than the actual life experiences of families who live in the community and attend the school. Yes, there are families living in poverty; nobody is disputing that. But there are great teachers, administrators, and programs there too, and lots of kids are thriving there.

You consider 2/3 in poverty, 4/5 not qualifying for college and 20% not graduating as thriving? What you clearly mean is the few white kids like yours are thriving because their parents find a way. Not the same thing as a good school

Not only is the “at a glance” report your only source of information; you are also misreading it. Show me the line where it says “not qualifying for college.” There is a statistic on meeting University of Maryland entrance requirements, and yes Einstein’s is 22%. For comparison, BCC’s is less than 50% and Whitman’s is 57%. So yeah, the school is mostly nonwhite and lots of kids’ parents don’t make much money, yet every year they graduate 100 or so kids who are highly qualified for college, compared with the 250 kids highly qualified for college from Whitman — the wealthiest and whitest high school in the county. That actually makes Einstein look pretty good.

[Anonymous]

Why is Einstein being discussed? We don't live on that side of the county, but DH and I would never send our kids there. We went there for DD's sporting event and oh it was scary. It was very different than how it is portrayed on this thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is Einstein being discussed? We don't live on that side of the county, but DH and I would never send our kids there. We went there for DD's sporting event and oh it was scary. It was very different than how it is portrayed on this thread.

Einstein is not scary. Something is terribly wrong with you to even say that. What, not enough kids living in fake mansions with parents driving cars 1/2 cannot even afford.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is Einstein being discussed? We don't live on that side of the county, but DH and I would never send our kids there. We went there for DD's sporting event and oh it was scary. It was very different than how it is portrayed on this thread.

Einstein is not scary. Something is terribly wrong with you to even say that. What, not enough kids living in fake mansions with parents driving cars 1/2 cannot even afford.

Sorry scary wasn’t the right word, depressing and sad work better

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is Einstein being discussed? We don't live on that side of the county, but DH and I would never send our kids there. We went there for DD's sporting event and oh it was scary. It was very different than how it is portrayed on this thread.

Einstein is not scary. Something is terribly wrong with you to even say that. What, not enough kids living in fake mansions with parents driving cars 1/2 cannot even afford.

Sorry scary wasn’t the right word, depressing and sad work better

What was depressing and sad about it? How did it differ from your school?

[Anonymous]

Definitely save money go with Einstein. Honestly, these schools are more or less the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Definitely save money go with Einstein. Honestly, these schools are more or less the same.

Not counting Einstein’s thousand or so poor Latino kids and it’s cluture of failure it is silmilar in some administrative ways!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Definitely save money go with Einstein. Honestly, these schools are more or less the same.

The top cohort of any of these schools is comparable. I really wouldn't split hairs. This isn't about averages, but real-world outcomes and the same opportunities exist at all these schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Definitely save money go with Einstein. Honestly, these schools are more or less the same.

The top cohort of any of these schools is comparable. I really wouldn't split hairs. This isn't about averages, but real-world outcomes and the same opportunities exist at all these schools.

These days BCC is mostly overrated. It's academics get it a 7 which is pretty marginal especially for its elite demographics.

About half of WJ and Einstein and some small portion of BCC will end up at Woodward because of overcrowding in 4-5 years. Buying in the Einstein area of Kensington is probably a shrewd investment.

[Anonymous]

All of the schools have their issues if you read these threads. The difference is how much parents make. However, there are plenty of comfortable parents at Einstein but we prefer smaller houses so we can pay cash for college for our kids and not have them worry about loans. Our priorities are very different. You also have a better chance getting into some schools as there is less competition from your school.

[Anonymous]

BCC over WJ. Never Einstein. Just say no.