Deal is tremendously overcrowded - something is to give

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just like shipping WOTP kids to a half-empty school EOTP is a non-starter, so is excluding Bancroft (majority Hispanic) and Shepherd (majority AA) from their historic feeder pattern. One solution from another thread was to pull Ward 4 schools -- Lafayette and Shepherd -- into another middle school together as a compromise where families both east and west of the park feel the "pain" of a new feeder system. A solution like that where no "side" wins is the only thing that's politically viable. The people who bitch about EOTP hipsters or middle-class black families using YOUR schools are sadly bitter and obviously new to how DC works.

Again we devolve into stupidity in these discussions.

If you look at the history of the boundaries it is not in fact the full history that these schools have fed to Wilson & Deal.

In fact Wilson used to have boundaries that were essentially proportional to the neighborhood as were the rest of DC schools. And if you aren't aware of this you should educate yourself and this point is to the white and black EOTP parents digging in about this but the EOTP Middle and High Schools used to actually be quite diverse - I can't find the article now but I don't think I'm imagining that Coolidge was majority white until the mid 1960's.

But either way we all lose if this doesn't get solved and the only way to solve it is to move significant numbers of students to a different MS & HS. Unless you think it makes sense for our kids to attend a MS with 2000 kids and a HS with 3000 - and we are going to get there in 3-4 years if something is not done.

WOTP slots for kids from outside of the immediate neighborhood should be going to low income kids from poorly performing schools not to middle class kids who can easily be bundled into a new set of high performing schools EOTP. And that will incidentally maintain WOTP diversity and increase it EOTP - I trust that you understand diversity can also be inclusive of white and middle class families and doesn't just mean a school with some number of minority students?

You're right, PP, redlining and school segregation worked until the Civil Rights Movement! Why did we mess up a good thing?

Do you have any actual knowledge of the history of segregation or red-lining in Washington DC?

And either way do you understand that the EOTP neighborhood serving public schools, especially at the MS and HS level have almost no whites?

So you profess to care about integration but are advocating for a system that has done anything but achieve that for a lot of students.

And I presume you realize that almost any surgical shrinkage of the Wilson/Deal boundaries instead of moving students in mass will make those schools less and not more diverse?

Let's be honest - you care about maintaining the status quo which is a tri-furcated school system with one group of students who are winners, another group of students that comes out so-so and a third group that comes out losers. But you are among the winners and only care about that so spare me the crocodile tears about segregation because that is not your concern but you know it plays well with people not paying attention.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:if anyone thinks schools are segregated now, try removing OOB feeder rights and see what happens. Deal could retain some diversity with existing boundaries, but Hardy would become all white

But of course most people on this forum don't care about diversity

Diversity is more than skin-deep.

most don't value ethnic diversity, and they certainly don't value socio-economic diversity

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just like shipping WOTP kids to a half-empty school EOTP is a non-starter, so is excluding Bancroft (majority Hispanic) and Shepherd (majority AA) from their historic feeder pattern. One solution from another thread was to pull Ward 4 schools -- Lafayette and Shepherd -- into another middle school together as a compromise where families both east and west of the park feel the "pain" of a new feeder system. A solution like that where no "side" wins is the only thing that's politically viable. The people who bitch about EOTP hipsters or middle-class black families using YOUR schools are sadly bitter and obviously new to how DC works.

Again we devolve into stupidity in these discussions.

If you look at the history of the boundaries it is not in fact the full history that these schools have fed to Wilson & Deal.

In fact Wilson used to have boundaries that were essentially proportional to the neighborhood as were the rest of DC schools. And if you aren't aware of this you should educate yourself and this point is to the white and black EOTP parents digging in about this but the EOTP Middle and High Schools used to actually be quite diverse - I can't find the article now but I don't think I'm imagining that Coolidge was majority white until the mid 1960's.

But either way we all lose if this doesn't get solved and the only way to solve it is to move significant numbers of students to a different MS & HS. Unless you think it makes sense for our kids to attend a MS with 2000 kids and a HS with 3000 - and we are going to get there in 3-4 years if something is not done.

WOTP slots for kids from outside of the immediate neighborhood should be going to low income kids from poorly performing schools not to middle class kids who can easily be bundled into a new set of high performing schools EOTP. And that will incidentally maintain WOTP diversity and increase it EOTP - I trust that you understand diversity can also be inclusive of white and middle class families and doesn't just mean a school with some number of minority students?

You're right, PP, redlining and school segregation worked until the Civil Rights Movement! Why did we mess up a good thing?

Do you have any actual knowledge of the history of segregation or red-lining in Washington DC?

And either way do you understand that the EOTP neighborhood serving public schools, especially at the MS and HS level have almost no whites?

So you profess to care about integration but are advocating for a system that has done anything but achieve that for a lot of students.

And I presume you realize that almost any surgical shrinkage of the Wilson/Deal boundaries instead of moving students in mass will make those schools less and not more diverse?

Let's be honest - you care about maintaining the status quo which is a tri-furcated school system with one group of students who are winners, another group of students that comes out so-so and a third group that comes out losers. But you are among the winners and only care about that so spare me the crocodile tears about segregation because that is not your concern but you know it plays well with people not paying attention.

If you want to be honest why don't you just admit that you want people who don't live in your neighborhood out of your school. Period. Because they make you uncomfortable (for any variety of reasons). You give zero cares where they end up. Stop pretending as if it is your greatest aim to establish a utopian diverse MS/HS for EOTP residents. If you cared about that, you'd be working to get those schools established (and demonstrating success) so that people would want to attend them, not just ranting on DCUM about how crowding is unsustainable. Instead you're just telling people that if they went to these mythically successful institutions everyone (read: you) would be better off. Sorry that your proposal isn't gaining support, but really, what did you expect? This is why i said your question was not seriously considered (even tho I do believe you raised it seriously).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just like shipping WOTP kids to a half-empty school EOTP is a non-starter, so is excluding Bancroft (majority Hispanic) and Shepherd (majority AA) from their historic feeder pattern. One solution from another thread was to pull Ward 4 schools -- Lafayette and Shepherd -- into another middle school together as a compromise where families both east and west of the park feel the "pain" of a new feeder system. A solution like that where no "side" wins is the only thing that's politically viable. The people who bitch about EOTP hipsters or middle-class black families using YOUR schools are sadly bitter and obviously new to how DC works.

Again we devolve into stupidity in these discussions.

If you look at the history of the boundaries it is not in fact the full history that these schools have fed to Wilson & Deal.

In fact Wilson used to have boundaries that were essentially proportional to the neighborhood as were the rest of DC schools. And if you aren't aware of this you should educate yourself and this point is to the white and black EOTP parents digging in about this but the EOTP Middle and High Schools used to actually be quite diverse - I can't find the article now but I don't think I'm imagining that Coolidge was majority white until the mid 1960's.

But either way we all lose if this doesn't get solved and the only way to solve it is to move significant numbers of students to a different MS & HS. Unless you think it makes sense for our kids to attend a MS with 2000 kids and a HS with 3000 - and we are going to get there in 3-4 years if something is not done.

WOTP slots for kids from outside of the immediate neighborhood should be going to low income kids from poorly performing schools not to middle class kids who can easily be bundled into a new set of high performing schools EOTP. And that will incidentally maintain WOTP diversity and increase it EOTP - I trust that you understand diversity can also be inclusive of white and middle class families and doesn't just mean a school with some number of minority students?

You're right, PP, redlining and school segregation worked until the Civil Rights Movement! Why did we mess up a good thing?

Do you have any actual knowledge of the history of segregation or red-lining in Washington DC?

And either way do you understand that the EOTP neighborhood serving public schools, especially at the MS and HS level have almost no whites?

So you profess to care about integration but are advocating for a system that has done anything but achieve that for a lot of students.

And I presume you realize that almost any surgical shrinkage of the Wilson/Deal boundaries instead of moving students in mass will make those schools less and not more diverse?

Let's be honest - you care about maintaining the status quo which is a tri-furcated school system with one group of students who are winners, another group of students that comes out so-so and a third group that comes out losers. But you are among the winners and only care about that so spare me the crocodile tears about segregation because that is not your concern but you know it plays well with people not paying attention.

Yes, actually. Based on your posts I have a much fuller understanding than you do. The rest of your post is just character assassination based on literally nothing. Nothing you've said makes any sense and your assumptions about me and my motives are 100% wrong (I'm not in boundary for Deal), which is almost impressive. Almost.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just like shipping WOTP kids to a half-empty school EOTP is a non-starter, so is excluding Bancroft (majority Hispanic) and Shepherd (majority AA) from their historic feeder pattern. One solution from another thread was to pull Ward 4 schools -- Lafayette and Shepherd -- into another middle school together as a compromise where families both east and west of the park feel the "pain" of a new feeder system. A solution like that where no "side" wins is the only thing that's politically viable. The people who bitch about EOTP hipsters or middle-class black families using YOUR schools are sadly bitter and obviously new to how DC works.

Again we devolve into stupidity in these discussions.

If you look at the history of the boundaries it is not in fact the full history that these schools have fed to Wilson & Deal.

In fact Wilson used to have boundaries that were essentially proportional to the neighborhood as were the rest of DC schools. And if you aren't aware of this you should educate yourself and this point is to the white and black EOTP parents digging in about this but the EOTP Middle and High Schools used to actually be quite diverse - I can't find the article now but I don't think I'm imagining that Coolidge was majority white until the mid 1960's.

But either way we all lose if this doesn't get solved and the only way to solve it is to move significant numbers of students to a different MS & HS. Unless you think it makes sense for our kids to attend a MS with 2000 kids and a HS with 3000 - and we are going to get there in 3-4 years if something is not done.

WOTP slots for kids from outside of the immediate neighborhood should be going to low income kids from poorly performing schools not to middle class kids who can easily be bundled into a new set of high performing schools EOTP. And that will incidentally maintain WOTP diversity and increase it EOTP - I trust that you understand diversity can also be inclusive of white and middle class families and doesn't just mean a school with some number of minority students?

You're right, PP, redlining and school segregation worked until the Civil Rights Movement! Why did we mess up a good thing?

Do you have any actual knowledge of the history of segregation or red-lining in Washington DC?

And either way do you understand that the EOTP neighborhood serving public schools, especially at the MS and HS level have almost no whites?

So you profess to care about integration but are advocating for a system that has done anything but achieve that for a lot of students.

And I presume you realize that almost any surgical shrinkage of the Wilson/Deal boundaries instead of moving students in mass will make those schools less and not more diverse?

Let's be honest - you care about maintaining the status quo which is a tri-furcated school system with one group of students who are winners, another group of students that comes out so-so and a third group that comes out losers. But you are among the winners and only care about that so spare me the crocodile tears about segregation because that is not your concern but you know it plays well with people not paying attention.

If you want to be honest why don't you just admit that you want people who don't live in your neighborhood out of your school. Period. Because they make you uncomfortable (for any variety of reasons). You give zero cares where they end up. Stop pretending as if it is your greatest aim to establish a utopian diverse MS/HS for EOTP residents. If you cared about that, you'd be working to get those schools established (and demonstrating success) so that people would want to attend them, not just ranting on DCUM about how crowding is unsustainable. Instead you're just telling people that if they went to these mythically successful institutions everyone (read: you) would be better off. Sorry that your proposal isn't gaining support, but really, what did you expect? This is why i said your question was not seriously considered (even tho I do believe you raised it seriously).

Not what I said.

In case you haven't been paying attention Deal/Wilson have been simultaneously getting bigger and less diverse and I don't consider either of those changes to be positive. And it is very likely that at some point that both schools will not be able to get any bigger and that when that happens they will both continue to get whiter.

But hey keep your head in the sand and keep on believing in Deal for all!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just like shipping WOTP kids to a half-empty school EOTP is a non-starter, so is excluding Bancroft (majority Hispanic) and Shepherd (majority AA) from their historic feeder pattern. One solution from another thread was to pull Ward 4 schools -- Lafayette and Shepherd -- into another middle school together as a compromise where families both east and west of the park feel the "pain" of a new feeder system. A solution like that where no "side" wins is the only thing that's politically viable. The people who bitch about EOTP hipsters or middle-class black families using YOUR schools are sadly bitter and obviously new to how DC works.

Again we devolve into stupidity in these discussions.

If you look at the history of the boundaries it is not in fact the full history that these schools have fed to Wilson & Deal.

In fact Wilson used to have boundaries that were essentially proportional to the neighborhood as were the rest of DC schools. And if you aren't aware of this you should educate yourself and this point is to the white and black EOTP parents digging in about this but the EOTP Middle and High Schools used to actually be quite diverse - I can't find the article now but I don't think I'm imagining that Coolidge was majority white until the mid 1960's.

But either way we all lose if this doesn't get solved and the only way to solve it is to move significant numbers of students to a different MS & HS. Unless you think it makes sense for our kids to attend a MS with 2000 kids and a HS with 3000 - and we are going to get there in 3-4 years if something is not done.

WOTP slots for kids from outside of the immediate neighborhood should be going to low income kids from poorly performing schools not to middle class kids who can easily be bundled into a new set of high performing schools EOTP. And that will incidentally maintain WOTP diversity and increase it EOTP - I trust that you understand diversity can also be inclusive of white and middle class families and doesn't just mean a school with some number of minority students?

You're right, PP, redlining and school segregation worked until the Civil Rights Movement! Why did we mess up a good thing?

Do you have any actual knowledge of the history of segregation or red-lining in Washington DC?

And either way do you understand that the EOTP neighborhood serving public schools, especially at the MS and HS level have almost no whites?

So you profess to care about integration but are advocating for a system that has done anything but achieve that for a lot of students.

And I presume you realize that almost any surgical shrinkage of the Wilson/Deal boundaries instead of moving students in mass will make those schools less and not more diverse?

Let's be honest - you care about maintaining the status quo which is a tri-furcated school system with one group of students who are winners, another group of students that comes out so-so and a third group that comes out losers. But you are among the winners and only care about that so spare me the crocodile tears about segregation because that is not your concern but you know it plays well with people not paying attention.

Yes, actually. Based on your posts I have a much fuller understanding than you do. The rest of your post is just character assassination based on literally nothing. Nothing you've said makes any sense and your assumptions about me and my motives are 100% wrong (I'm not in boundary for Deal), which is almost impressive. Almost.

OK so what are your motives and proposed solutions? Or do you think everything is fine as is?

Or is it easier to toss out inflammatory terms like red-lining and segregation and implying elitism while ignoring the actual history and what is going on?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just like shipping WOTP kids to a half-empty school EOTP is a non-starter, so is excluding Bancroft (majority Hispanic) and Shepherd (majority AA) from their historic feeder pattern. One solution from another thread was to pull Ward 4 schools -- Lafayette and Shepherd -- into another middle school together as a compromise where families both east and west of the park feel the "pain" of a new feeder system. A solution like that where no "side" wins is the only thing that's politically viable. The people who bitch about EOTP hipsters or middle-class black families using YOUR schools are sadly bitter and obviously new to how DC works.

Again we devolve into stupidity in these discussions.

If you look at the history of the boundaries it is not in fact the full history that these schools have fed to Wilson & Deal.

In fact Wilson used to have boundaries that were essentially proportional to the neighborhood as were the rest of DC schools. And if you aren't aware of this you should educate yourself and this point is to the white and black EOTP parents digging in about this but the EOTP Middle and High Schools used to actually be quite diverse - I can't find the article now but I don't think I'm imagining that Coolidge was majority white until the mid 1960's.

But either way we all lose if this doesn't get solved and the only way to solve it is to move significant numbers of students to a different MS & HS. Unless you think it makes sense for our kids to attend a MS with 2000 kids and a HS with 3000 - and we are going to get there in 3-4 years if something is not done.

WOTP slots for kids from outside of the immediate neighborhood should be going to low income kids from poorly performing schools not to middle class kids who can easily be bundled into a new set of high performing schools EOTP. And that will incidentally maintain WOTP diversity and increase it EOTP - I trust that you understand diversity can also be inclusive of white and middle class families and doesn't just mean a school with some number of minority students?

You're right, PP, redlining and school segregation worked until the Civil Rights Movement! Why did we mess up a good thing?

Do you have any actual knowledge of the history of segregation or red-lining in Washington DC?

And either way do you understand that the EOTP neighborhood serving public schools, especially at the MS and HS level have almost no whites?

So you profess to care about integration but are advocating for a system that has done anything but achieve that for a lot of students.

And I presume you realize that almost any surgical shrinkage of the Wilson/Deal boundaries instead of moving students in mass will make those schools less and not more diverse?

Let's be honest - you care about maintaining the status quo which is a tri-furcated school system with one group of students who are winners, another group of students that comes out so-so and a third group that comes out losers. But you are among the winners and only care about that so spare me the crocodile tears about segregation because that is not your concern but you know it plays well with people not paying attention.

If you want to be honest why don't you just admit that you want people who don't live in your neighborhood out of your school. Period. Because they make you uncomfortable (for any variety of reasons). You give zero cares where they end up. Stop pretending as if it is your greatest aim to establish a utopian diverse MS/HS for EOTP residents. If you cared about that, you'd be working to get those schools established (and demonstrating success) so that people would want to attend them, not just ranting on DCUM about how crowding is unsustainable. Instead you're just telling people that if they went to these mythically successful institutions everyone (read: you) would be better off. Sorry that your proposal isn't gaining support, but really, what did you expect? This is why i said your question was not seriously considered (even tho I do believe you raised it seriously).

Not what I said.

In case you haven't been paying attention Deal/Wilson have been simultaneously getting bigger and less diverse and I don't consider either of those changes to be positive. And it is very likely that at some point that both schools will not be able to get any bigger and that when that happens they will both continue to get whiter.

But hey keep your head in the sand and keep on believing in Deal for all!

I couldn't care less about Deal. I won't be sending my kid there. What i'm saying is that you are describing a problem, but not proposing a seriously considered solution. This is why no one is taking you seriously. You can keep repeating yourself if you want, but it does not add anything substantive to your "serious" question. Really, think about it critically and post when you have something constructive to offer.

[Anonymous]

They need to divide the school into two by moving half to another campus. Maintaining the diversity but splitting it into two groups.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just like shipping WOTP kids to a half-empty school EOTP is a non-starter, so is excluding Bancroft (majority Hispanic) and Shepherd (majority AA) from their historic feeder pattern. One solution from another thread was to pull Ward 4 schools -- Lafayette and Shepherd -- into another middle school together as a compromise where families both east and west of the park feel the "pain" of a new feeder system. A solution like that where no "side" wins is the only thing that's politically viable. The people who bitch about EOTP hipsters or middle-class black families using YOUR schools are sadly bitter and obviously new to how DC works.

Again we devolve into stupidity in these discussions.

If you look at the history of the boundaries it is not in fact the full history that these schools have fed to Wilson & Deal.

In fact Wilson used to have boundaries that were essentially proportional to the neighborhood as were the rest of DC schools. And if you aren't aware of this you should educate yourself and this point is to the white and black EOTP parents digging in about this but the EOTP Middle and High Schools used to actually be quite diverse - I can't find the article now but I don't think I'm imagining that Coolidge was majority white until the mid 1960's.

But either way we all lose if this doesn't get solved and the only way to solve it is to move significant numbers of students to a different MS & HS. Unless you think it makes sense for our kids to attend a MS with 2000 kids and a HS with 3000 - and we are going to get there in 3-4 years if something is not done.

WOTP slots for kids from outside of the immediate neighborhood should be going to low income kids from poorly performing schools not to middle class kids who can easily be bundled into a new set of high performing schools EOTP. And that will incidentally maintain WOTP diversity and increase it EOTP - I trust that you understand diversity can also be inclusive of white and middle class families and doesn't just mean a school with some number of minority students?

You're right, PP, redlining and school segregation worked until the Civil Rights Movement! Why did we mess up a good thing?

Do you have any actual knowledge of the history of segregation or red-lining in Washington DC?

And either way do you understand that the EOTP neighborhood serving public schools, especially at the MS and HS level have almost no whites?

So you profess to care about integration but are advocating for a system that has done anything but achieve that for a lot of students.

And I presume you realize that almost any surgical shrinkage of the Wilson/Deal boundaries instead of moving students in mass will make those schools less and not more diverse?

Let's be honest - you care about maintaining the status quo which is a tri-furcated school system with one group of students who are winners, another group of students that comes out so-so and a third group that comes out losers. But you are among the winners and only care about that so spare me the crocodile tears about segregation because that is not your concern but you know it plays well with people not paying attention.

If you want to be honest why don't you just admit that you want people who don't live in your neighborhood out of your school. Period. Because they make you uncomfortable (for any variety of reasons). You give zero cares where they end up. Stop pretending as if it is your greatest aim to establish a utopian diverse MS/HS for EOTP residents. If you cared about that, you'd be working to get those schools established (and demonstrating success) so that people would want to attend them, not just ranting on DCUM about how crowding is unsustainable. Instead you're just telling people that if they went to these mythically successful institutions everyone (read: you) would be better off. Sorry that your proposal isn't gaining support, but really, what did you expect? This is why i said your question was not seriously considered (even tho I do believe you raised it seriously).

Not what I said.

In case you haven't been paying attention Deal/Wilson have been simultaneously getting bigger and less diverse and I don't consider either of those changes to be positive. And it is very likely that at some point that both schools will not be able to get any bigger and that when that happens they will both continue to get whiter.

But hey keep your head in the sand and keep on believing in Deal for all!

I couldn't care less about Deal. I won't be sending my kid there. What i'm saying is that you are describing a problem, but not proposing a seriously considered solution. This is why no one is taking you seriously. You can keep repeating yourself if you want, but it does not add anything substantive to your "serious" question. Really, think about it critically and post when you have something constructive to offer.

Not true - my solution is to move several clusters of neighborhoods to a new MS and feed to an existing under enrolled EOTP HS. (and this is far from my idea nor is it new or radical).

You seem to think that is politically impossible without suggesting a politically palatable solution.

But perhaps you believe the status quo can just be maintained and we don't need to worry about finding a solution.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They need to divide the school into two by moving half to another campus. Maintaining the diversity but splitting it into two groups.

+1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need to divide the school into two by moving half to another campus. Maintaining the diversity but splitting it into two groups.

+1000

Right - and numbers wise this shouldn't be hard.

But you need to pair up with a new HS and you need a campus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just like shipping WOTP kids to a half-empty school EOTP is a non-starter, so is excluding Bancroft (majority Hispanic) and Shepherd (majority AA) from their historic feeder pattern. One solution from another thread was to pull Ward 4 schools -- Lafayette and Shepherd -- into another middle school together as a compromise where families both east and west of the park feel the "pain" of a new feeder system. A solution like that where no "side" wins is the only thing that's politically viable. The people who bitch about EOTP hipsters or middle-class black families using YOUR schools are sadly bitter and obviously new to how DC works.

Again we devolve into stupidity in these discussions.

If you look at the history of the boundaries it is not in fact the full history that these schools have fed to Wilson & Deal.

In fact Wilson used to have boundaries that were essentially proportional to the neighborhood as were the rest of DC schools. And if you aren't aware of this you should educate yourself and this point is to the white and black EOTP parents digging in about this but the EOTP Middle and High Schools used to actually be quite diverse - I can't find the article now but I don't think I'm imagining that Coolidge was majority white until the mid 1960's.

But either way we all lose if this doesn't get solved and the only way to solve it is to move significant numbers of students to a different MS & HS. Unless you think it makes sense for our kids to attend a MS with 2000 kids and a HS with 3000 - and we are going to get there in 3-4 years if something is not done.

WOTP slots for kids from outside of the immediate neighborhood should be going to low income kids from poorly performing schools not to middle class kids who can easily be bundled into a new set of high performing schools EOTP. And that will incidentally maintain WOTP diversity and increase it EOTP - I trust that you understand diversity can also be inclusive of white and middle class families and doesn't just mean a school with some number of minority students?

You're right, PP, redlining and school segregation worked until the Civil Rights Movement! Why did we mess up a good thing?

Do you have any actual knowledge of the history of segregation or red-lining in Washington DC?

And either way do you understand that the EOTP neighborhood serving public schools, especially at the MS and HS level have almost no whites?

So you profess to care about integration but are advocating for a system that has done anything but achieve that for a lot of students.

And I presume you realize that almost any surgical shrinkage of the Wilson/Deal boundaries instead of moving students in mass will make those schools less and not more diverse?

Let's be honest - you care about maintaining the status quo which is a tri-furcated school system with one group of students who are winners, another group of students that comes out so-so and a third group that comes out losers. But you are among the winners and only care about that so spare me the crocodile tears about segregation because that is not your concern but you know it plays well with people not paying attention.

Yes, actually. Based on your posts I have a much fuller understanding than you do. The rest of your post is just character assassination based on literally nothing. Nothing you've said makes any sense and your assumptions about me and my motives are 100% wrong (I'm not in boundary for Deal), which is almost impressive. Almost.

OK so what are your motives and proposed solutions? Or do you think everything is fine as is?

Or is it easier to toss out inflammatory terms like red-lining and segregation and implying elitism while ignoring the actual history and what is going on?

It's not getting "less diverse" because of the inclusion of Shepherd and Bancroft, the only two schools you propose removing. That's why your claim to be the person who cares about diversity in this discussion is hilarious on its face. You brought up the pre-1960s boundaries as though it should be the period of time relevant to determining boundaries now and yet you think terms like "red-lining and segregation," which is exactly what those boundaries were based on, are "inflammatory"? Agree with PP that you haven't thought seriously for one second about this issue because you aren't making an ounce of sense. The original PP you started this mini-thread by calling "stupid" is the only one who has proposed a solution that would actually work to produce the outcome you claim to want, but you went on the attack because you think EOTP/WOTP are more important in determining school boundaries than Wards, and again you went back to pre-1960 to prove your historical chops. What's the significance of using the park instead of Wards or even quadrants in the history of school boundary negotiations? Redlining.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They need to divide the school into two by moving half to another campus. Maintaining the diversity but splitting it into two groups.

decouple Lafayette from Deal and you've got a start.

[Anonymous]

Re moving Bancroft and Shepherd out of the Deal boundary: There is just a handful of non-Hispanic white kids graduating from Shepherd and Bancroft each year. Assuming some natural attrition to charter schools, you'd have about 6 or 7 white kids per grade going to your EOTP middle school option. That simply isn't going to put a dent in making a more diverse middle school EOTP. And given concerns about being the "only" of a certain ethic group, that 6-7 number is probably high. But you'd kick out lots of middle class AA families and working class Hispanic families from Deal in the process.

If the utopian goal is to have a truly desirable alternative to Deal that moves people out of Deal, the change needs to be bigger -- like moving a large, largely-white school like Lafayette and giving the new option some bells and whistles (advanced placement classes, etc). If Lafayette families still don't want to commute to a MacFarland or similar souped-up new option, well then the real issue isn't overcrowding at Deal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just like shipping WOTP kids to a half-empty school EOTP is a non-starter, so is excluding Bancroft (majority Hispanic) and Shepherd (majority AA) from their historic feeder pattern. One solution from another thread was to pull Ward 4 schools -- Lafayette and Shepherd -- into another middle school together as a compromise where families both east and west of the park feel the "pain" of a new feeder system. A solution like that where no "side" wins is the only thing that's politically viable. The people who bitch about EOTP hipsters or middle-class black families using YOUR schools are sadly bitter and
obviously new to how DC works.

Hahaha, of course. The agenda has been revealed. This is as absurd as the idea floated by Much parents that since Lafyette had trailers in place they should just move Murch there rather than sully the neighborhood during construction.

Nevertheless, I must obligatorily point out that Lafayette has been part of Deal/Wilson for over 50 years, it's physical location is far closer to those schools than any other option, the road and transportation networks are aligned in that direction, and it's only a part of ward 4 for political gerrymandering reasons.