Drew Model Elementary: proposed boundaries (s/o from APS/SA thread specific to Drew)

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Focusing on the PUs with no walkers, I think you take the Abingdon-Kenmore units and send them to Barcroft or Randolph, put more of eastern Barcroft to Fleet, and put the south-of-pike Fleet units to Drew. It's not great for Barcroft but my math suggests doing it that way would have both Barcroft and Drew in the 60s for fr/l rate, vs. in the 40s for Barcroft and over 80 for Drew under the current proposal.

I don't think that works. I only see 1 Eastern Barcroft planning unit that is not in the walkzone (37050) It has about 50 kids- 18 of which are FARMS.
So under that theory Barcroft could pick up about 1/3 of Columbia Heights. In terms of putting Columbia Heights at Randolph- randolph currently only has 2 non walkking PU's. 38050 and 38100. Its a total of about 33 kids- of which 31 are FARMS? (I think there is a DATA problem with 38050 b/c it reflects a higher number of FARMS students than total students). Either way if you figure out a way to move out those two units from Randoph- which would probably mean sending them to Drew, you still don't have any seats for Columbia Heights even split between Randolph and Barcroft.
Drew is getting Columbia Heights b/c of the walkzone issue. You are going to have to move at least one PU that is in a walkzone in order to send Columbia Heights anywhere other than Drew.

Are you guys confusing Columbia Heights and Columbia Forest? Unless I’m reading the proposed map incorrectly, Columbia Heights is staying Henry/Fleet and not going to Drew.

The "Columbia" with homes in the $800-900k range gets its way, and goes to Fleet. The "other Columbia" with much lower-income students gets bused two miles away - even though there are THREE other elementary schools closer to their homes. And they say there's no gerrymandering... What APS is doing here is just shameful

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What 3 schools?

Since I don't see that anyone answered your question: Carlin Springs, Barcroft, and Randolph.

Drew is 1.3 miles away, Barcroft is 1.2 and CS is 1.8
And Randolph can’t handle buses so unless someone can figure that part out it’s a non issue.
I get that the boundaries are hard and nobody wants to go to Drew but it’s not like people are being busses 7 miles away

Drew is actually 2.3 miles from the corner of Columbia pike and Frederick across from Columbia Mill.

Abingdon, Randolph, and Barcroft are all a full mile closer to the Columbia Forest island in the staff map.

The south of the pike Henry zones are 1.1 miles from Drew, and adjacent to its current zone. Columbia Forest is a mile farther away and is an island. Not even debatable. Just use google. It's just plain, naked favoritism.

Henry south-of-pike isn't stupid, they knew that they could have ended up at Drew. Columbia Forest is a day late and a dollar short for this rodeo. Keep Henry Together is miles ahead of the rest of you...good luck. The next school board meetings should be entertaining.

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Focusing on the PUs with no walkers, I think you take the Abingdon-Kenmore units and send them to Barcroft or Randolph, put more of eastern Barcroft to Fleet, and put the south-of-pike Fleet units to Drew. It's not great for Barcroft but my math suggests doing it that way would have both Barcroft and Drew in the 60s for fr/l rate, vs. in the 40s for Barcroft and over 80 for Drew under the current proposal.

I don't think that works. I only see 1 Eastern Barcroft planning unit that is not in the walkzone (37050) It has about 50 kids- 18 of which are FARMS.
So under that theory Barcroft could pick up about 1/3 of Columbia Heights. In terms of putting Columbia Heights at Randolph- randolph currently only has 2 non walkking PU's. 38050 and 38100. Its a total of about 33 kids- of which 31 are FARMS? (I think there is a DATA problem with 38050 b/c it reflects a higher number of FARMS students than total students). Either way if you figure out a way to move out those two units from Randoph- which would probably mean sending them to Drew, you still don't have any seats for Columbia Heights even split between Randolph and Barcroft.
Drew is getting Columbia Heights b/c of the walkzone issue. You are going to have to move at least one PU that is in a walkzone in order to send Columbia Heights anywhere other than Drew.

Are you guys confusing Columbia Heights and Columbia Forest? Unless I’m reading the proposed map incorrectly, Columbia Heights is staying Henry/Fleet and not going to Drew.

The "Columbia" with homes in the $800-900k range gets its way, and goes to Fleet. The "other Columbia" with much lower-income students gets bused two miles away - even though there are THREE other elementary schools closer to their homes. And they say there's no gerrymandering... What APS is doing here is just shameful

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What 3 schools?

Since I don't see that anyone answered your question: Carlin Springs, Barcroft, and Randolph.

Drew is 1.3 miles away, Barcroft is 1.2 and CS is 1.8
And Randolph can’t handle buses so unless someone can figure that part out it’s a non issue.
I get that the boundaries are hard and nobody wants to go to Drew but it’s not like people are being busses 7 miles away

Drew is actually 2.3 miles from the corner of Columbia pike and Frederick across from Columbia Mill.

Abingdon, Randolph, and Barcroft are all a full mile closer to the Columbia Forest island in the staff map.

The south of the pike Henry zones are 1.1 miles from Drew, and adjacent to its current zone. Columbia Forest is a mile farther away and is an island. Not even debatable. Just use google. It's just plain, naked favoritism.

Not really Abingdon still has the issue of being super crowded so they have to split it up somehow. Remember that’s why this is all happening to begin with.

You keep saying that but it doesn't make it true. Abingdon just got an addition. The purpose of the boundary process is largely to fill Drew. Pretty sure this is just a Henry parent diversion tactic. Abingdon was at 90 percent capacity in 2016. It has 725 seats. Last fall it had 668.

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There is a meeting taking place tomorrow at 2 pm in the neighborhood of Columbia Forrest. Check Next Door for the address if interested.

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Focusing on the PUs with no walkers, I think you take the Abingdon-Kenmore units and send them to Barcroft or Randolph, put more of eastern Barcroft to Fleet, and put the south-of-pike Fleet units to Drew. It's not great for Barcroft but my math suggests doing it that way would have both Barcroft and Drew in the 60s for fr/l rate, vs. in the 40s for Barcroft and over 80 for Drew under the current proposal.

I don't think that works. I only see 1 Eastern Barcroft planning unit that is not in the walkzone (37050) It has about 50 kids- 18 of which are FARMS.
So under that theory Barcroft could pick up about 1/3 of Columbia Heights. In terms of putting Columbia Heights at Randolph- randolph currently only has 2 non walkking PU's. 38050 and 38100. Its a total of about 33 kids- of which 31 are FARMS? (I think there is a DATA problem with 38050 b/c it reflects a higher number of FARMS students than total students). Either way if you figure out a way to move out those two units from Randoph- which would probably mean sending them to Drew, you still don't have any seats for Columbia Heights even split between Randolph and Barcroft.
Drew is getting Columbia Heights b/c of the walkzone issue. You are going to have to move at least one PU that is in a walkzone in order to send Columbia Heights anywhere other than Drew.

Are you guys confusing Columbia Heights and Columbia Forest? Unless I’m reading the proposed map incorrectly, Columbia Heights is staying Henry/Fleet and not going to Drew.

The "Columbia" with homes in the $800-900k range gets its way, and goes to Fleet. The "other Columbia" with much lower-income students gets bused two miles away - even though there are THREE other elementary schools closer to their homes. And they say there's no gerrymandering... What APS is doing here is just shameful

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What 3 schools?

Since I don't see that anyone answered your question: Carlin Springs, Barcroft, and Randolph.

Drew is 1.3 miles away, Barcroft is 1.2 and CS is 1.8
And Randolph can’t handle buses so unless someone can figure that part out it’s a non issue.
I get that the boundaries are hard and nobody wants to go to Drew but it’s not like people are being busses 7 miles away

Drew is actually 2.3 miles from the corner of Columbia pike and Frederick across from Columbia Mill.

Abingdon, Randolph, and Barcroft are all a full mile closer to the Columbia Forest island in the staff map.

The south of the pike Henry zones are 1.1 miles from Drew, and adjacent to its current zone. Columbia Forest is a mile farther away and is an island. Not even debatable. Just use google. It's just plain, naked favoritism.

Not really Abingdon still has the issue of being super crowded so they have to split it up somehow. Remember that’s why this is all happening to begin with.

You keep saying that but it doesn't make it true. Abingdon just got an addition. The purpose of the boundary process is largely to fill Drew. Pretty sure this is just a Henry parent diversion tactic. Abingdon was at 90 percent capacity in 2016. It has 725 seats. Last fall it had 668.

It had 698 as of the last PTA meeting so it’s getting close

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is a meeting taking place tomorrow at 2 pm in the neighborhood of Columbia Forrest. Check Next Door for the address if interested.

Should be a rowdy game of musical chairs. Choose your T-shirt color wisely. Can't wait to find out who you sacrifice.

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Focusing on the PUs with no walkers, I think you take the Abingdon-Kenmore units and send them to Barcroft or Randolph, put more of eastern Barcroft to Fleet, and put the south-of-pike Fleet units to Drew. It's not great for Barcroft but my math suggests doing it that way would have both Barcroft and Drew in the 60s for fr/l rate, vs. in the 40s for Barcroft and over 80 for Drew under the current proposal.

I don't think that works. I only see 1 Eastern Barcroft planning unit that is not in the walkzone (37050) It has about 50 kids- 18 of which are FARMS.
So under that theory Barcroft could pick up about 1/3 of Columbia Heights. In terms of putting Columbia Heights at Randolph- randolph currently only has 2 non walkking PU's. 38050 and 38100. Its a total of about 33 kids- of which 31 are FARMS? (I think there is a DATA problem with 38050 b/c it reflects a higher number of FARMS students than total students). Either way if you figure out a way to move out those two units from Randoph- which would probably mean sending them to Drew, you still don't have any seats for Columbia Heights even split between Randolph and Barcroft.
Drew is getting Columbia Heights b/c of the walkzone issue. You are going to have to move at least one PU that is in a walkzone in order to send Columbia Heights anywhere other than Drew.

Are you guys confusing Columbia Heights and Columbia Forest? Unless I’m reading the proposed map incorrectly, Columbia Heights is staying Henry/Fleet and not going to Drew.

The "Columbia" with homes in the $800-900k range gets its way, and goes to Fleet. The "other Columbia" with much lower-income students gets bused two miles away - even though there are THREE other elementary schools closer to their homes. And they say there's no gerrymandering... What APS is doing here is just shameful

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What 3 schools?

Since I don't see that anyone answered your question: Carlin Springs, Barcroft, and Randolph.

Drew is 1.3 miles away, Barcroft is 1.2 and CS is 1.8
And Randolph can’t handle buses so unless someone can figure that part out it’s a non issue.
I get that the boundaries are hard and nobody wants to go to Drew but it’s not like people are being busses 7 miles away

Drew is actually 2.3 miles from the corner of Columbia pike and Frederick across from Columbia Mill.

Abingdon, Randolph, and Barcroft are all a full mile closer to the Columbia Forest island in the staff map.

The south of the pike Henry zones are 1.1 miles from Drew, and adjacent to its current zone. Columbia Forest is a mile farther away and is an island. Not even debatable. Just use google. It's just plain, naked favoritism.

Not really Abingdon still has the issue of being super crowded so they have to split it up somehow. Remember that’s why this is all happening to begin with.

You keep saying that but it doesn't make it true. Abingdon just got an addition. The purpose of the boundary process is largely to fill Drew. Pretty sure this is just a Henry parent diversion tactic. Abingdon was at 90 percent capacity in 2016. It has 725 seats. Last fall it had 668.

It had 698 as of the last PTA meeting so it’s getting close

So Abingdon isn't even at capacity now. Cool. What are Henry and Oakridge at right now? 120%? And they've been there for a few years? Crowding at Abingdon is a non issue.

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Randolph has space

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:[guardian]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Focusing on the PUs with no walkers, I think you take the Abingdon-Kenmore units and send them to Barcroft or Randolph, put more of eastern Barcroft to Fleet, and put the south-of-pike Fleet units to Drew. It's not great for Barcroft but my math suggests doing it that way would have both Barcroft and Drew in the 60s for fr/l rate, vs. in the 40s for Barcroft and over 80 for Drew under the current proposal.

I don't think that works. I only see 1 Eastern Barcroft planning unit that is not in the walkzone (37050) It has about 50 kids- 18 of which are FARMS.
So under that theory Barcroft could pick up about 1/3 of Columbia Heights. In terms of putting Columbia Heights at Randolph- randolph currently only has 2 non walkking PU's. 38050 and 38100. Its a total of about 33 kids- of which 31 are FARMS? (I think there is a DATA problem with 38050 b/c it reflects a higher number of FARMS students than total students). Either way if you figure out a way to move out those two units from Randoph- which would probably mean sending them to Drew, you still don't have any seats for Columbia Heights even split between Randolph and Barcroft.
Drew is getting Columbia Heights b/c of the walkzone issue. You are going to have to move at least one PU that is in a walkzone in order to send Columbia Heights anywhere other than Drew.

Are you guys confusing Columbia Heights and Columbia Forest? Unless I’m reading the proposed map incorrectly, Columbia Heights is staying Henry/Fleet and not going to Drew.

The "Columbia" with homes in the $800-900k range gets its way, and goes to Fleet. The "other Columbia" with much lower-income students gets bused two miles away - even though there are THREE other elementary schools closer to their homes. And they say there's no gerrymandering... What APS is doing here is just shameful

.

What 3 schools?

Since I don't see that anyone answered your question: Carlin Springs, Barcroft, and Randolph.

Drew is 1.3 miles away, Barcroft is 1.2 and CS is 1.8
And Randolph can’t handle buses so unless someone can figure that part out it’s a non issue.
I get that the boundaries are hard and nobody wants to go to Drew but it’s not like people are being busses 7 miles away

I don't see why Randolph couldn't handle a few buses, they have a bus lane and a SPED bus daily

I don’t know since I’m not a Randolph I’ve just been told that the SPED busses have trouble as it is so full sized busses wouldntoov

They could drop-off and pick-up directly on the road rather than trying to turn onto the property. Just need to block-off that part of the road from other traffic during those times or make sure crossing guards are blocking it off.

[Anonymous]

The AEM discussion on this is classic. One person called out the Henry folks on their fight to stay together really being about the south-of-the-Pike people not wanting to go to Drew, and a few chimed in to basically say, "I'm one of those south-of-the-pike Henry people, yeah, you're right, but you're an asshole for calling us on it."

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Anonymous wrote:The AEM discussion on this is classic. One person called out the Henry folks on their fight to stay together really being about the south-of-the-Pike people not wanting to go to Drew, and a few chimed in to basically say, "I'm one of those south-of-the-pike Henry people, yeah, you're right, but you're an asshole for calling us on it."

Yeah, I made that comment and got a flurry of very angry PMs, but there was enough "don't let me child be your social engineering project" comments that their true intentions are clear.

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Anonymous wrote:The AEM discussion on this is classic. One person called out the Henry folks on their fight to stay together really being about the south-of-the-Pike people not wanting to go to Drew, and a few chimed in to basically say, "I'm one of those south-of-the-pike Henry people, yeah, you're right, but you're an asshole for calling us on it."

Yeah, I made that comment and got a flurry of very angry PMs, but there was enough "don't let me child be your social engineering project" comments that their true intentions are clear.

+1 those comments in particular made me mad. The other one that burns me up is when the Henry folks say they just want to keep their diversity. As if all of these students exist just to provide one school in central Arlington with the perfect blend of diversity.

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It’s hard to be poor. But there is a reason people move or live in different places. Poor people don’t have that luxury. Others do. Berating people for not being poor or for not wanting to go to school with poor people sounds good on paper yet it is a losing proposition. It’s as old as time. Very few people stay in a poor neighborhood or school when they have other choices. The boundaries should have been done county wide. Period. Call APS out about that. Once again terrible planning puts South Arlington in an untenable situation with no good solution.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to be poor. But there is a reason people move or live in different places. Poor people don’t have that luxury. Others do. Berating people for not being poor or for not wanting to go to school with poor people sounds good on paper yet it is a losing proposition. It’s as old as time. Very few people stay in a poor neighborhood or school when they have other choices. The boundaries should have been done county wide. Period. Call APS out about that. Once again terrible planning puts South Arlington in an untenable situation with no good solution.

Even if boundaries were drawn county wide, which will never happen, it wouldn't make Drew say, 30% farms. This thread isn't about that. It's about holding APS accountable for not even following their own stated principles to draw Drew's current boundary. This is a reality based thread, please don't derail it with these supposed "bigger picture problems." This is a narrowly defined one: aps is breaking its own rules.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to be poor. But there is a reason people move or live in different places. Poor people don’t have that luxury. Others do. Berating people for not being poor or for not wanting to go to school with poor people sounds good on paper yet it is a losing proposition. It’s as old as time. Very few people stay in a poor neighborhood or school when they have other choices. The boundaries should have been done county wide. Period. Call APS out about that. Once again terrible planning puts South Arlington in an untenable situation with no good solution.

Even if boundaries were drawn county wide, which will never happen, it wouldn't make Drew say, 30% farms. This thread isn't about that. It's about holding APS accountable for not even following their own stated principles to draw Drew's current boundary. This is a reality based thread, please don't derail it with these supposed "bigger picture problems." This is a narrowly defined one: aps is breaking its own rules.

Exactly. Let's all move back to reality.

Those Henry folks are the Orange Shirts on steroids.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to be poor. But there is a reason people move or live in different places. Poor people don’t have that luxury. Others do. Berating people for not being poor or for not wanting to go to school with poor people sounds good on paper yet it is a losing proposition. It’s as old as time. Very few people stay in a poor neighborhood or school when they have other choices. The boundaries should have been done county wide. Period. Call APS out about that. Once again terrible planning puts South Arlington in an untenable situation with no good solution.

Obviously the county situation is much more stark and ideally would be addressed. However, I think central Arlington latches onto that argument because (1) it's more realistic for the central area to pull from the north simply by virtue of geography and (2) to deflect from the fact that they don't want to be pushed farther south. Those of us in the south aren't pushing for county-wide busing because no one wants it, include the lower income folks. APS has said repeatedly that they hear, from everyone, that they want schools close to home. I believe that. I prefer it for my family as well. So in that world, where people do want to be close to home, we in the south are identifying those planning units that are close by (closer than others currently being proposed) that could come to our school and provide a little bit of diversity to a school that would otherwise be concentrated low-income.

Also please note that APS's proposal makes Drew *more* low income than it would otherwise be if just Nauck proper were considered. I made a spreadsheet with all the planning units and Nauck alone is slightly less poor than APS's proposed boundary for Drew (and that's even before you consider that there is not as much CAF in Nauck as there is on the western end of the Pike, so Nauck by itself has more capacity to slowly turn over/gentrify).