The Serena cartoon — too much, too far?

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Anonymous wrote:Eh, I thought it was a fairly good likeness. Cartoons are satire.....everybody needs to calm down.

Ok so why depict Osaka as white?

Maybe it's my computer screen but Osaka looks tan to me- not white. Not the same shade as the ref.

puhleeze

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It mocks her behavior, which is what cartoons do. I don't see anything about it that is racially specific.

A satirical cartoon is not racist simply because the subject is a minority. To call it racist, people need to outline what specific racial aspects the artist is mocking.

Perhaps the use of sambo, antiquated, cartoonish features makes it racist in and of itself. But I would expect nothing else from people who actually reveled in such depictions of Black folks then and now.

Serena has frizzy hair, thick lips, and a big butt. Of course a cartoonist will exaggerate them, just like they’d exaggerate Trump’s spray tan, orange mop and squinty eyes.

That's beyond exxageration, but a racist would see nothing wrong with it. Carry on. And keep up, we are talking about Serena not Trump. Start your own thread if you have an issue with Trump's depictions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It mocks her behavior, which is what cartoons do. I don't see anything about it that is racially specific.

A satirical cartoon is not racist simply because the subject is a minority. To call it racist, people need to outline what specific racial aspects the artist is mocking.

Perhaps the use of sambo, antiquated, cartoonish features makes it racist in and of itself. But I would expect nothing else from people who actually reveled in such depictions of Black folks then and now.

+1 yeppers

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It mocks her behavior, which is what cartoons do. I don't see anything about it that is racially specific.

A satirical cartoon is not racist simply because the subject is a minority. To call it racist, people need to outline what specific racial aspects the artist is mocking.

Perhaps the use of sambo, antiquated, cartoonish features makes it racist in and of itself. But I would expect nothing else from people who actually reveled in such depictions of Black folks then and now.

Serena has frizzy hair, thick lips, and a big butt. Of course a cartoonist will exaggerate them, just like they’d exaggerate Trump’s spray tan, orange mop and squinty eyes.

And contrast that to the Whitification of the champion of the day, the mixed race, dark skin, frizzy hair Osaka. (She’s beautiful but not the Maria Sharapova/Anna Kournikova white blond of the cartoon).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:It mocks her behavior, which is what cartoons do. I don't see anything about it that is racially specific.

A satirical cartoon is not racist simply because the subject is a minority. To call it racist, people need to outline what specific racial aspects the artist is mocking.

Perhaps the use of sambo, antiquated, cartoonish features makes it racist in and of itself. But I would expect nothing else from people who actually reveled in such depictions of Black folks then and now.

Serena has frizzy hair, thick lips, and a big butt. Of course a cartoonist will exaggerate them, just like they’d exaggerate Trump’s spray tan, orange mop and squinty eyes.

That's beyond exxageration, but a racist would see nothing wrong with it. Carry on. And keep up, we are talking about Serena not Trump. Start your own thread if you have an issue with Trump's depictions.

I don’t have a problem with the depictions of either. They are public figures, and she’s no more a queen than he is a king. Sounds like you’d like to make criticism of Her Mouthiness a criminal offense. Suck it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It mocks her behavior, which is what cartoons do. I don't see anything about it that is racially specific.

A satirical cartoon is not racist simply because the subject is a minority. To call it racist, people need to outline what specific racial aspects the artist is mocking.

Perhaps the use of sambo, antiquated, cartoonish features makes it racist in and of itself. But I would expect nothing else from people who actually reveled in such depictions of Black folks then and now.

Serena has frizzy hair, thick lips, and a big butt. Of course a cartoonist will exaggerate them, just like they’d exaggerate Trump’s spray tan, orange mop and squinty eyes.

And contrast that to the Whitification of the champion of the day, the mixed race, dark skin, frizzy hair Osaka. (She’s beautiful but not the Maria Sharapova/Anna Kournikova white blond of the cartoon).

How many times do people need to point out the cartoon wasn’t about the specific match or opponent. It was about Serena being a screaming crybaby, over and over again. Including in a match where her opponent was a blond Belgian. You really don’t have much going on upstairs, do you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:But if there were a way to post a cartoon here ....

Here. It’s annoying me that no one has posted it yet.

I didn't notice until now that referee "Carlos Ramos" who is obviously latino in person is also depicted as essentially a vanilla white guy in this comic. Undeniably racist artist, regardless of whether the rendering of Serena INTENTIONALLY referenced Jim Crow art the racism is pervasive.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It mocks her behavior, which is what cartoons do. I don't see anything about it that is racially specific.

A satirical cartoon is not racist simply because the subject is a minority. To call it racist, people need to outline what specific racial aspects the artist is mocking.

Perhaps the use of sambo, antiquated, cartoonish features makes it racist in and of itself. But I would expect nothing else from people who actually reveled in such depictions of Black folks then and now.

Serena has frizzy hair, thick lips, and a big butt. Of course a cartoonist will exaggerate them, just like they’d exaggerate Trump’s spray tan, orange mop and squinty eyes.

And contrast that to the Whitification of the champion of the day, the mixed race, dark skin, frizzy hair Osaka. (She’s beautiful but not the Maria Sharapova/Anna Kournikova white blond of the cartoon).

How many times do people need to point out the cartoon wasn’t about the specific match or opponent. It was about Serena being a screaming crybaby, over and over again. Including in a match where her opponent was a blond Belgian. You really don’t have much going on upstairs, do you?

You can say that all you like but it doesn't make it true.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Of course it is obviously racist. Even leaving the depiction of Serena aside, why would the cartoonist turn Osaka into a thin blonde woman when in reality she is a very strong, broad Japanese woman?

+1

The caricature of Serena is arguably racist, but the depiction of Osaka makes it pretty clear.

There is nothing racist about the cartoon and by making the opponent a blond woman the cartoonist was underscoring that Serena would have behaved the same way against any opponent.

If anything, it’s racist to suggest Serena is some type of black nobility who is above reproach or caricature. She is far from belonging on any type of pedestal.

Or: here’s an angry black woman and her lovely opponent beautifully acting like a sane white lady.

Most of the top tennis players in the world are white women. The cartoonist was not depicting Osaka. He was depicting her oppponents generally, who have to put up with Serena’s efforts to intimidate them by whatever means are at her disposal.

Do some reseach before spewing your garbage. Serena is considered to be one of the sweetest tennis players on the circuit. They like her. Well maybe not Sharapova.

Sweet? Like when she told another umpire/ref “I’m going to take this ball and shove it down your throat?” That kind of sweet? Oh no, your right, it’s always someone else’s fault if she lashes out. After all true equality means being able to be a sore loser like a man, throwing man tantrums and abusing power like a man. Yes, let’s aspire to be equal in the worst way possible. Who knows, maybe we can really strive for equality and sexually assault or harass men and get away with it too. Equality for all.

[Anonymous]

The cartoon was clearly racist because he depicted her as "angry black woman" using the big lips, and larger representation of her

Then Oaska was a blonde fair skinned woman, like come on.

How was this not blatantly racist?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It mocks her behavior, which is what cartoons do. I don't see anything about it that is racially specific.

A satirical cartoon is not racist simply because the subject is a minority. To call it racist, people need to outline what specific racial aspects the artist is mocking.

Perhaps the use of sambo, antiquated, cartoonish features makes it racist in and of itself. But I would expect nothing else from people who actually reveled in such depictions of Black folks then and now.

Serena has frizzy hair, thick lips, and a big butt. Of course a cartoonist will exaggerate them, just like they’d exaggerate Trump’s spray tan, orange mop and squinty eyes.

That's beyond exxageration, but a racist would see nothing wrong with it. Carry on. And keep up, we are talking about Serena not Trump. Start your own thread if you have an issue with Trump's depictions.

I don’t have a problem with the depictions of either. They are public figures, and she’s no more a queen than he is a king. Sounds like you’d like to make criticism of Her Mouthiness a criminal offense. Suck it.

As I said, racist would not have a problem depicting black people as sambos and crazy. Do you kiss your mother with that vile mouth of yours. Always willing to suck something, right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The cartoon was clearly racist because he depicted her as "angry black woman" using the big lips, and larger representation of her

Then Oaska was a blonde fair skinned woman, like come on.

How was this not blatantly racist?

Um...she actually was an angry black woman.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The cartoon was clearly racist because he depicted her as "angry black woman" using the big lips, and larger representation of her

Then Oaska was a blonde fair skinned woman, like come on.

How was this not blatantly racist?

Um...she actually was an angry black woman.

Where are all the angry men cartoons or is it only news when women are angry about mistreatment and unequal implementation of rules.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It mocks her behavior, which is what cartoons do. I don't see anything about it that is racially specific.

A satirical cartoon is not racist simply because the subject is a minority. To call it racist, people need to outline what specific racial aspects the artist is mocking.

Perhaps the use of sambo, antiquated, cartoonish features makes it racist in and of itself. But I would expect nothing else from people who actually reveled in such depictions of Black folks then and now.

Serena has frizzy hair, thick lips, and a big butt. Of course a cartoonist will exaggerate them, just like they’d exaggerate Trump’s spray tan, orange mop and squinty eyes.

And contrast that to the Whitification of the champion of the day, the mixed race, dark skin, frizzy hair Osaka. (She’s beautiful but not the Maria Sharapova/Anna Kournikova white blond of the cartoon).

No denying the contrast is striking and alarming. By drawing dark-skinned Osaka as white (and the angry black lady as an ugly angry black lady) bolsters the racism charge.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Of course it is obviously racist. Even leaving the depiction of Serena aside, why would the cartoonist turn Osaka into a thin blonde woman when in reality she is a very strong, broad Japanese woman?

+1

The caricature of Serena is arguably racist, but the depiction of Osaka makes it pretty clear.

There is nothing racist about the cartoon and by making the opponent a blond woman the cartoonist was underscoring that Serena would have behaved the same way against any opponent.

If anything, it’s racist to suggest Serena is some type of black nobility who is above reproach or caricature. She is far from belonging on any type of pedestal.

Or: here’s an angry black woman and her lovely opponent beautifully acting like a sane white lady.

Most of the top tennis players in the world are white women. The cartoonist was not depicting Osaka. He was depicting her oppponents generally, who have to put up with Serena’s efforts to intimidate them by whatever means are at her disposal.

Do some reseach before spewing your garbage. Serena is considered to be one of the sweetest tennis players on the circuit. They like her. Well maybe not Sharapova.

Sweet? Like when she told another umpire/ref “I’m going to take this ball and shove it down your throat?” That kind of sweet? Oh no, your right, it’s always someone else’s fault if she lashes out. After all true equality means being able to be a sore loser like a man, throwing man tantrums and abusing power like a man. Yes, let’s aspire to be equal in the worst way possible. Who knows, maybe we can really strive for equality and sexually assault or harass men and get away with it too. Equality for all.

Just admit it, you hate Serena Williams and it's not because she is black. You hate her because she is Black and damn good. If she was just Black and mediocre, you would be okay. You are like Navatilova who didn't want her to win her 18th grand slam, but she did and Navatilova despised Williams more. Get over yourself.


https://www.thesportster.com/entertainment/tennis-players-real-life-sweethearts/


https://urbanintellectuals.com/2016/02/15/serena-williams-gives-back-people-builds-3rd-school-jamaica/

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