Just another redshirting vent

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Anonymous wrote:On the flip side, your friend will have a 20-year-old HS senior someday, while your child will start college at 18.

Think long term, OP.

X1000000

What were those parents thinking?

Obviously, they were not!

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not familiar with "Junior First". Are you sure he won't be going into 2nd grade next year? He'll definately stand out as he'd be a full year older than the other kids.

No it's a transition year between K and 1st, I'm in the Baltimore area and a lot of the prep schools have this option

Well it appears to be just a single year of redshirting, not 2 years like OP claims. So perhaps this child has some special needs that required both redshirting for K and "pre-first." In any event she should MYOB.

https://www.gilman.edu/academics/pre-first

Not sure where I claimed the kid was redshirted 2 years. He started K at 5.75 years old which is the correct time for him to have started- if he was born in late fall, he was 5 when he started K and was on the older end of kids in the class. Now, at the end of K, instead of going on to first grade he is going on to the transition class. He will do first grade the year after that. So he is being "held back" one year. The fact that makes him super old compared to other kids is that he was already on the older end starting K, it's not like he was an august birthday.

Ok so he was redshirted with a March birthday, apparently. That's unusual. The school website says that it's for May - Dec birthdays. But who cares, not your kid, not your school, you have no actual clue why they chose to put him in the transitional class or what he'll do next year.

As OP stated, it doesn't affect her, but it's the overall redshirting everywhere she's addressing. It's a broader topic.

a broader topic with zero relevance to her, since her school doesn't do redshirting.

So? She can't have an opinion about something that doesn't directly affect her? If we are only allowed to have opinions that directly affects us, then those people who are against abortion should really shut up since it doesn't directly affect them.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not familiar with "Junior First". Are you sure he won't be going into 2nd grade next year? He'll definately stand out as he'd be a full year older than the other kids.

No it's a transition year between K and 1st, I'm in the Baltimore area and a lot of the prep schools have this option

Well it appears to be just a single year of redshirting, not 2 years like OP claims. So perhaps this child has some special needs that required both redshirting for K and "pre-first." In any event she should MYOB.

https://www.gilman.edu/academics/pre-first

Not sure where I claimed the kid was redshirted 2 years. He started K at 5.75 years old which is the correct time for him to have started- if he was born in late fall, he was 5 when he started K and was on the older end of kids in the class. Now, at the end of K, instead of going on to first grade he is going on to the transition class. He will do first grade the year after that. So he is being "held back" one year. The fact that makes him super old compared to other kids is that he was already on the older end starting K, it's not like he was an august birthday.

Ok so he was redshirted with a March birthday, apparently. That's unusual. The school website says that it's for May - Dec birthdays. But who cares, not your kid, not your school, you have no actual clue why they chose to put him in the transitional class or what he'll do next year.

As OP stated, it doesn't affect her, but it's the overall redshirting everywhere she's addressing. It's a broader topic.

a broader topic with zero relevance to her, since her school doesn't do redshirting.

So? She can't have an opinion about something that doesn't directly affect her? If we are only allowed to have opinions that directly affects us, then those people who are against abortion should really shut up since it doesn't directly affect them.

She's doesn't have an opinion on a current policy issue. She has a mean-spirited, jealous comment about a child whose parent has made a parenting choice that doesn't affect her in any way.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not familiar with "Junior First". Are you sure he won't be going into 2nd grade next year? He'll definately stand out as he'd be a full year older than the other kids.

No it's a transition year between K and 1st, I'm in the Baltimore area and a lot of the prep schools have this option

Well it appears to be just a single year of redshirting, not 2 years like OP claims. So perhaps this child has some special needs that required both redshirting for K and "pre-first." In any event she should MYOB.

https://www.gilman.edu/academics/pre-first

Not sure where I claimed the kid was redshirted 2 years. He started K at 5.75 years old which is the correct time for him to have started- if he was born in late fall, he was 5 when he started K and was on the older end of kids in the class. Now, at the end of K, instead of going on to first grade he is going on to the transition class. He will do first grade the year after that. So he is being "held back" one year. The fact that makes him super old compared to other kids is that he was already on the older end starting K, it's not like he was an august birthday.

Ok so he was redshirted with a March birthday, apparently. That's unusual. The school website says that it's for May - Dec birthdays. But who cares, not your kid, not your school, you have no actual clue why they chose to put him in the transitional class or what he'll do next year.

As OP stated, it doesn't affect her, but it's the overall redshirting everywhere she's addressing. It's a broader topic.

a broader topic with zero relevance to her, since her school doesn't do redshirting.

So, believe it or not- some people with summer birthday kids send them to private preschools, redshirt them, send them to private K and 1st and then transfer to public school because after 1st grade they will keep your kid going forward in the grade they're in as opposed to forcing them to jump forward to join their age. So it does affect public schools!

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Anonymous wrote:You can’t afford private school, but you can afford to do whatever you have been doing for the last five years though, right? Or if your kid had been born in October instead of August you would have been totally screwed?

What does this mean? Correct, I can't afford 30k a year in tuition to a private school but I can afford free public pre-K and my mom to watch my kid after that. Not sure why you're confused.

Why can’t you just do that one more year?

Because I can't. Public pre-K is for children who are 4 on Sept 1, I can't just send my kid for another year after that because I want to, unless the school board says it's okay, which I'm sure they won't because my kid is 4 this year and knows his letters, numbers, etc and doesn't have any delays so they won't allow him to repeat it. This whole "you have a choice!" thing is for people who can afford private

Sorry. I have never lived anywhere that there was public preK. Your mom won’t watch her?

She probably would. But i'd feel awful not having him in any kind of program when he's 5. I think that would be worse for his K readiness to keep him home doing no type of preschool with his peers for a year than just sending him as a young 5.

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Anonymous wrote:AAP skews younger. At least my September boy will (finally!) have some company, being the youngest.

Is this a documented thing? I was wondering because both my kids are on the younger side of their classrooms (late July, late August) but there are tons of kids younger than them in their respective AAP classrooms. Specially in my oldest daughter's class. She is July and there are 8 kids younger than her, and a ton of early summer birthdays. There are 2 redshirted kids and they definitely look a lot older in her classroom.

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Redshirting is an athletic term applied to the keeping of an athlete out of college competition for a year in order to develop the athlete's skills and extend their period of playing eligibility. The term has crept into the early education field as the practice of postponing entrance into kindergarten of age-eligible children in order to allow extra time for socioemotional, intellectual, or physical growth. But there is a problem here: in athletics, yes, redshirting may be used to give an advantage to the team by keeping an older, stronger or more skilled player around longer. That concept simply DOES NOT APPLY to classes. Read the definition; the child's entry is being postponed in order to give the child a chance to grow up as needed. It will have little to no impact on your kid. Grades are not comparative or competitive in K, 1 or 2. And the research show that whatever early advantage slightly older kids might have washes out after a few years (usually by 5-6th grades.)
Don't worry about it. Your kid will be fine.

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So, OP, you can afford Such and Such Prep School for the Mildly Affluent, but not an extra year and somehow we are supposed to feel sorry for your poor dear child who is being disadvantaged by someone else's decision to redshirt their slightly more affluent child? Lady, your diamond shoes are so tight they're cutting off the oxygen supply to your brain.

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Anonymous wrote:You can’t afford private school, but you can afford to do whatever you have been doing for the last five years though, right? Or if your kid had been born in October instead of August you would have been totally screwed?

What does this mean? Correct, I can't afford 30k a year in tuition to a private school but I can afford free public pre-K and my mom to watch my kid after that. Not sure why you're confused.

Why can’t you just do that one more year?

Because I can't. Public pre-K is for children who are 4 on Sept 1, I can't just send my kid for another year after that because I want to, unless the school board says it's okay, which I'm sure they won't because my kid is 4 this year and knows his letters, numbers, etc and doesn't have any delays so they won't allow him to repeat it. This whole "you have a choice!" thing is for people who can afford private

Sorry. I have never lived anywhere that there was public preK. Your mom won’t watch her?

She probably would. But i'd feel awful not having him in any kind of program when he's 5. I think that would be worse for his K readiness to keep him home doing no type of preschool with his peers for a year than just sending him as a young 5.

Why do you think that?

There are some great, and inexpensive, resources out there on teaching a child to read. I am sure that you could do it. And there are a ton of classes and things offered during the day for homeschooled kids that are, again, free or inexpensive. I don't know your area, but you should check out a homeschool facebook group. I live in Omaha, and there is stuff here multiple times a day. There may also be co-op or church preschools in your area that are a lot less than $30k/yr.

It isn't necessarily good for 5 year olds to be in an academic environment all day every day anyway.

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Mom of 22 year old son here. This red shirting thing has been around a while and here’s my perspective, and what I wish I had done. Son was April birthday with September 30 cut off. He was big for his age, so we sent him on to KG age 5 1/2.

He was “smart” in that his math skills were way high, but he was immature with language and social skills. He wasn’t diagnosed with inattentive ADHD until grade 4 when he couldn’t follow directions or stay on task for more than a minute. Fast forward failed out of college and is doing fine, but no degree in the near future.

If I had had a crystal ball: definitely would have red shirted AND done a gap year after HS. So he would have been 20 when he started university. I believe he could have succeeded in college just being two years older at the start. So red shirting at KG and be older at the beginning of academia offending other parents, or older at the point where it really matters and have a better chance of lifetime
success?

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Anonymous wrote:So, OP, you can afford Such and Such Prep School for the Mildly Affluent, but not an extra year and somehow we are supposed to feel sorry for your poor dear child who is being disadvantaged by someone else's decision to redshirt their slightly more affluent child? Lady, your diamond shoes are so tight they're cutting off the oxygen supply to your brain.

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Anonymous wrote:You can’t afford private school, but you can afford to do whatever you have been doing for the last five years though, right? Or if your kid had been born in October instead of August you would have been totally screwed?

What does this mean? Correct, I can't afford 30k a year in tuition to a private school but I can afford free public pre-K and my mom to watch my kid after that. Not sure why you're confused.

Why can’t you just do that one more year?

Because I can't. Public pre-K is for children who are 4 on Sept 1, I can't just send my kid for another year after that because I want to, unless the school board says it's okay, which I'm sure they won't because my kid is 4 this year and knows his letters, numbers, etc and doesn't have any delays so they won't allow him to repeat it. This whole "you have a choice!" thing is for people who can afford private

OP - if this is the case, then I'm confused about why you think your son will be disadvantaged by starting public kindergarten on time?

I think you're freaking out for no reason -- it's only a small percentage of people who actually redshirt their child.

Personally, I feel sorry for the teachers who have to deal with boys that act out when they are the oldest and biggest in the class, and are bored because they already know much of what is being taught in kindergarten.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not familiar with "Junior First". Are you sure he won't be going into 2nd grade next year? He'll definately stand out as he'd be a full year older than the other kids.

No it's a transition year between K and 1st, I'm in the Baltimore area and a lot of the prep schools have this option

Well it appears to be just a single year of redshirting, not 2 years like OP claims. So perhaps this child has some special needs that required both redshirting for K and "pre-first." In any event she should MYOB.

https://www.gilman.edu/academics/pre-first

Not sure where I claimed the kid was redshirted 2 years. He started K at 5.75 years old which is the correct time for him to have started- if he was born in late fall, he was 5 when he started K and was on the older end of kids in the class. Now, at the end of K, instead of going on to first grade he is going on to the transition class. He will do first grade the year after that. So he is being "held back" one year. The fact that makes him super old compared to other kids is that he was already on the older end starting K, it's not like he was an august birthday.

Ok so he was redshirted with a March birthday, apparently. That's unusual. The school website says that it's for May - Dec birthdays. But who cares, not your kid, not your school, you have no actual clue why they chose to put him in the transitional class or what he'll do next year.

As OP stated, it doesn't affect her, but it's the overall redshirting everywhere she's addressing. It's a broader topic.

a broader topic with zero relevance to her, since her school doesn't do redshirting.

So, believe it or not- some people with summer birthday kids send them to private preschools, redshirt them, send them to private K and 1st and then transfer to public school because after 1st grade they will keep your kid going forward in the grade they're in as opposed to forcing them to jump forward to join their age. So it does affect public schools!

omg. do you realize how ridiculous you sound?

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Anonymous wrote:You can’t afford private school, but you can afford to do whatever you have been doing for the last five years though, right? Or if your kid had been born in October instead of August you would have been totally screwed?

What does this mean? Correct, I can't afford 30k a year in tuition to a private school but I can afford free public pre-K and my mom to watch my kid after that. Not sure why you're confused.

Why can’t you just do that one more year?

Because I can't. Public pre-K is for children who are 4 on Sept 1, I can't just send my kid for another year after that because I want to, unless the school board says it's okay, which I'm sure they won't because my kid is 4 this year and knows his letters, numbers, etc and doesn't have any delays so they won't allow him to repeat it. This whole "you have a choice!" thing is for people who can afford private

OP - if this is the case, then I'm confused about why you think your son will be disadvantaged by starting public kindergarten on time?

I think you're freaking out for no reason -- it's only a small percentage of people who actually redshirt their child.

Personally, I feel sorry for the teachers who have to deal with boys that act out when they are the oldest and biggest in the class, and are bored because they already know much of what is being taught in kindergarten.

... why not feel sorry for the younger boys that act out because they aren't ready for K?

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Anonymous wrote:Mom of 22 year old son here. This red shirting thing has been around a while and here’s my perspective, and what I wish I had done. Son was April birthday with September 30 cut off. He was big for his age, so we sent him on to KG age 5 1/2.

He was “smart” in that his math skills were way high, but he was immature with language and social skills. He wasn’t diagnosed with inattentive ADHD until grade 4 when he couldn’t follow directions or stay on task for more than a minute. Fast forward failed out of college and is doing fine, but no degree in the near future.

If I had had a crystal ball: definitely would have red shirted AND done a gap year after HS. So he would have been 20 when he started university. I believe he could have succeeded in college just being two years older at the start. So red shirting at KG and be older at the beginning of academia offending other parents, or older at the point where it really matters and have a better chance of lifetime
success?

It is not offensive to other parents, it is offensive to your child. Who knows, same thing could have happened either way, in your case, PP.