Is it common to have 30+ kids in class in MCPS ES?

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone else just sick at the sheer amount of parent involvement required to make improvements in MCPS or to aid your children's education?

I mean, ignorance is bliss, but it is tough to ignore the ridiculous class sizes, erroneous worksheet materials, and class schedules consisting of only math and reading 3 hours a day. I'd like to take that "Oh well, at least he's learning something and has good friends" approach but it's all relative in the real world. Learning something....

Yep, more than sick. I laugh when people insist it's a good school system. Good school systems are largely in small towns. We have a bloated bureaucracy trying to serve too many disparate groups. Our kids are now in private, and we're struggling, but it's worth it.

Small, wealthy towns, that is. Not small, poor towns, though.

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Remember, MCPS goals are to close the achievement gap between hispanics/blacks and whites/asians, and have everyone graduate at a level of proficiency to be able to go to community college.
If you have other goals, do them yourself. They will use the $2.2B budget to pay themselves, their benefits and help the bottom with food, healthcare, english, childcare, reading and math.

I've read this assertion multiple times on DCUM. Nobody has ever produced any evidence to support this assertion.

Dude, it’s in the MCPS website and slide decks!

And FYI, it’s parcc, dropout rates for esol and farm kids come 9-10th grade are terrible. So MCPS really is failing all around.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Remember, MCPS goals are to close the achievement gap between hispanics/blacks and whites/asians, and have everyone graduate at a level of proficiency to be able to go to community college.
If you have other goals, do them yourself. They will use the $2.2B budget to pay themselves, their benefits and help the bottom with food, healthcare, english, childcare, reading and math.

I've read this assertion multiple times on DCUM. Nobody has ever produced any evidence to support this assertion.

Dude, it’s in the MCPS website and slide decks!

And FYI, it’s parcc, dropout rates for esol and farm kids come 9-10th grade are terrible. So MCPS really is failing all around.

Where? Link, please.

While you're at it, it would be great to have a link to the drop-out rates for kids in ESOL and kids who qualify free or reduced meals.

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Anonymous wrote:Scrap PE classes and subdivide the gymnasiums into 4 classrooms. All the kids play soccer anyway, right?

Serve the first lunch at 9:50 AM and use those classrooms then. The teachers can keep floating all day. In fact, make each class take turns serving another. That way you can fire the cafeteria workers AND free up another classroom.

Use the principal’s office, health suite, and janitorial closets as classrooms instead. Oh, and that den of inequity, the teachers’ lounge should be throughly sage smudged and turned into at least two instructional spaces.

Are you attempting a joke or do you honestly not now how many of these steps have already been taken? It is a very sad situation.

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Bethesda and Somerset most certainly are not. There is no place to put portables at those two schools.

Says you, or says MCPS? Says you, I infer.

Feel free to offer your plan of where they can put portables. Because smarter minds than you who have actually been to the school have already concluded that there is no place to put them.

OK, says you.

If MCPS needs to add portables, they will find somewhere to put them, including in the playground area and/or in the parking lot.

Remember SNL saying, "Jane, you ignorant..."
There IS NO playground area at these schools, or if there is it's been cut in half. Have you seen the parking lots? Geez, if I didn't know better, I'd think you were from JUTP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Remember, MCPS goals are to close the achievement gap between hispanics/blacks and whites/asians, and have everyone graduate at a level of proficiency to be able to go to community college.
If you have other goals, do them yourself. They will use the $2.2B budget to pay themselves, their benefits and help the bottom with food, healthcare, english, childcare, reading and math.

I've read this assertion multiple times on DCUM. Nobody has ever produced any evidence to support this assertion.

Why do we have to satisfy you? Go read the MCPS presentations and documents - it's very clear, they began laying this out years ago, and we've seen the policies being enacted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone else just sick at the sheer amount of parent involvement required to make improvements in MCPS or to aid your children's education?

I mean, ignorance is bliss, but it is tough to ignore the ridiculous class sizes, erroneous worksheet materials, and class schedules consisting of only math and reading 3 hours a day. I'd like to take that "Oh well, at least he's learning something and has good friends" approach but it's all relative in the real world. Learning something....

Yep, more than sick. I laugh when people insist it's a good school system. Good school systems are largely in small towns. We have a bloated bureaucracy trying to serve too many disparate groups. Our kids are now in private, and we're struggling, but it's worth it.

Small, wealthy towns, that is. Not small, poor towns, though.

Exactly. So what do you think the affluent do when school systems decline? They leave. So would MCPS be better off if the top part of the tax base left? Cuz that's what's been happening...and this is why we had a real estate tax increase.

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Exactly. So what do you think the affluent do when school systems decline? They leave. So would MCPS be better off if the top part of the tax base left? Cuz that's what's been happening...and this is why we had a real estate tax increase.

No, it's not why we had an increase in the recordation tax.

Also, where are the affluent going to go? And is the departure of the affluent the reason that schools in Bethesda are so over capacity?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Remember, MCPS goals are to close the achievement gap between hispanics/blacks and whites/asians, and have everyone graduate at a level of proficiency to be able to go to community college.
If you have other goals, do them yourself. They will use the $2.2B budget to pay themselves, their benefits and help the bottom with food, healthcare, english, childcare, reading and math.

I've read this assertion multiple times on DCUM. Nobody has ever produced any evidence to support this assertion.

Why do we have to satisfy you? Go read the MCPS presentations and documents - it's very clear, they began laying this out years ago, and we've seen the policies being enacted.

Generally it's the responsibility of the person making the assertion to provide the evidence to support the assertion.

But if you don't want to, then you don't have to. It's an anonymous Internet message board.

[Anonymous]

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Remember SNL saying, "Jane, you ignorant..."
There IS NO playground area at these schools, or if there is it's been cut in half. Have you seen the parking lots? Geez, if I didn't know better, I'd think you were from JUTP.

Somerset ES, Bethesda ES, Kemp Mill ES, and Judith Resnik ES don't have playground areas?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Remember SNL saying, "Jane, you ignorant..."
There IS NO playground area at these schools, or if there is it's been cut in half. Have you seen the parking lots? Geez, if I didn't know better, I'd think you were from JUTP.

Somerset ES, Bethesda ES, Kemp Mill ES, and Judith Resnik ES don't have playground areas?

School zones have rules about density and safety. You can’t just slap a portable down in the middle of a parking lot. You can’t add floors to an old building if it’s not structurally able to bear that weight. There’s some seriously simpleminded people who are suggesting that adding space to schools is “easy.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Remember SNL saying, "Jane, you ignorant..."
There IS NO playground area at these schools, or if there is it's been cut in half. Have you seen the parking lots? Geez, if I didn't know better, I'd think you were from JUTP.

Somerset ES, Bethesda ES, Kemp Mill ES, and Judith Resnik ES don't have playground areas?

School zones have rules about density and safety. You can’t just slap a portable down in the middle of a parking lot. You can’t add floors to an old building if it’s not structurally able to bear that weight. There’s some seriously simpleminded people who are suggesting that adding space to schools is “easy.”

Who on this thread has said that adding space to schools is "easy"?

What rules are there about portables on playground areas and numbers of on-site parking spaces for existing schools?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Remember SNL saying, "Jane, you ignorant..."
There IS NO playground area at these schools, or if there is it's been cut in half. Have you seen the parking lots? Geez, if I didn't know better, I'd think you were from JUTP.

Somerset ES, Bethesda ES, Kemp Mill ES, and Judith Resnik ES don't have playground areas?

School zones have rules about density and safety. You can’t just slap a portable down in the middle of a parking lot. You can’t add floors to an old building if it’s not structurally able to bear that weight. There’s some seriously simpleminded people who are suggesting that adding space to schools is “easy.”

Who on this thread has said that adding space to schools is "easy"?

What rules are there about portables on playground areas and numbers of on-site parking spaces for existing schools?

Please cite the case and evidence that it’s occurred in MCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Remember SNL saying, "Jane, you ignorant..."
There IS NO playground area at these schools, or if there is it's been cut in half. Have you seen the parking lots? Geez, if I didn't know better, I'd think you were from JUTP.

Somerset ES, Bethesda ES, Kemp Mill ES, and Judith Resnik ES don't have playground areas?

School zones have rules about density and safety. You can’t just slap a portable down in the middle of a parking lot. You can’t add floors to an old building if it’s not structurally able to bear that weight. There’s some seriously simpleminded people who are suggesting that adding space to schools is “easy.”

Same folks that argue teaching is easy.

[Anonymous]

I really think someone needs to get the State Superintendent of Education involved. Hogan would love to embarass MoCo officials. MoCo does not care about a certain segment of the population that it really should care about.


Hogan doesn't give a rat's @$$ about Montgomery County. We didn't vote for him before, and we won't this time either.

MCPS is too worried about thenl achievement/opportunity gap and doesn't care that many schools are overcrowded as long as test scores are good.