Daughter wants to try out for Poms

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Anonymous wrote:They are terrible, that much a know. Poms do have great skills at top MCPS schools, which Northwoods is not. Have her watch videos from counties and decide. Losing builds character and you never know in HS sports, one year division 3 next year county champs. It happened to Sherwood cheerleading, they were in division II and came from lower division to win the whole county.

Whitman is in a higher level now.

Whitman has been good for a while now. I don't know anything about them stealing choreography but I can tell you that either way, the team is still very good dancers.

Is there such thing as completely original choreography at the high school level? It is all basically somebody regurgitating something they learned somewhere else and putting a twist on it based on skill level.

I’ve heard from my daughters and their teammates that they stole another teams hip hop routine from another state, step by step. Choreography is like writing a paper, dance moves are like words, is it not plagiarism when you copy someone else’s creativity and ideas? If plagiarism isn’t allowed in the classroom then why not in this sport. I think their should be consequences for this but guessing they’re a W school, they’ll get a slap on the wrist.

Was the captain T-t-t-t-t-t-torrence? Did she drop the spirit stick?

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I’ve heard from my daughters and their teammates that they stole another teams hip hop routine from another state, step by step. Choreography is like writing a paper, dance moves are like words, is it not plagiarism when you copy someone else’s creativity and ideas? If plagiarism isn’t allowed in the classroom then why not in this sport. I think their should be consequences for this but guessing they’re a W school, they’ll get a slap on the wrist.

I think we need to consider the specific situation.

If you copy someone else's paper just for your own reading, or just to practice handwriting, it is not called plagiarism.
If you copy it to show that "this is a paper" on a project that you describe various things (e.g. showing a device, a paper, a weapon) on a large board, it is not called plagiarism either (whether there is copyright issues is a different question).

However, if you need to write a paper and you copy someone else' paper and submit it in class, that is called plagiarism.


In sports, copying other people's "routine", e.g. diving, gymnastics, is never considered plagiarism.

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Anonymous wrote:Former Pom here----I have a doctorate from Harvard.

I was gonna say that I remember an awesome Pom dancer from my high school who went on to Harvard and no one was at all surprised.

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I’ve heard from my daughters and their teammates that they stole another teams hip hop routine from another state, step by step. Choreography is like writing a paper, dance moves are like words, is it not plagiarism when you copy someone else’s creativity and ideas? If plagiarism isn’t allowed in the classroom then why not in this sport. I think their should be consequences for this but guessing they’re a W school, they’ll get a slap on the wrist.

I think we need to consider the specific situation.

If you copy someone else's paper just for your own reading, or just to practice handwriting, it is not called plagiarism.
If you copy it to show that "this is a paper" on a project that you describe various things (e.g. showing a device, a paper, a weapon) on a large board, it is not called plagiarism either (whether there is copyright issues is a different question).

However, if you need to write a paper and you copy someone else' paper and submit it in class, that is called plagiarism.


In sports, copying other people's "routine", e.g. diving, gymnastics, is never considered plagiarism.

Why is this any different? They allegedly took someone else ideas, hard work, and submitted it as their own for a panel of judges and was awarded 1st place while everyone came up with their own routines, and that’s not plagiarism? Surely plagiarism doesn’t stop at literature work. This applies to gymnastics as well, if a mcps student copy a gymnastics Olympic gold medal routine for a mcps competition they should be disqualified.

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Whag if a football player saw a very unique new play by a team in Arizona and persuaded his coach to use it. Is that plagiarism? Of course not. The whole idea is ridiculous.

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Why is this any different? They allegedly took someone else ideas, hard work, and submitted it as their own for a panel of judges and was awarded 1st place while everyone came up with their own routines, and that’s not plagiarism? Surely plagiarism doesn’t stop at literature work. This applies to gymnastics as well, if a mcps student copy a gymnastics Olympic gold medal routine for a mcps competition they should be disqualified.

Well I don't see the point in discussing "why". The point is, in sports, that is how things are. It would be unfair to single out MCPS students on that, right?
If you feel these should be considered plagiarism, the right way to do is to change rules about how people do it in sports, not how MCPS kids do it when they follow the current rules.

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Why is this any different? They allegedly took someone else ideas, hard work, and submitted it as their own for a panel of judges and was awarded 1st place while everyone came up with their own routines, and that’s not plagiarism? Surely plagiarism doesn’t stop at literature work. This applies to gymnastics as well, if a mcps student copy a gymnastics Olympic gold medal routine for a mcps competition they should be disqualified.

Well I don't see the point in discussing "why". The point is, in sports, that is how things are. It would be unfair to single out MCPS students on that, right?
If you feel these should be considered plagiarism, the right way to do is to change rules about how people do it in sports, not how MCPS kids do it when they follow the current rules.

In dance, if you copy someone else's choreography, you need to acknowledge and credit the choreographer. You can't just copy someone else's choreo and pretend it is your own.

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Why is this any different? They allegedly took someone else ideas, hard work, and submitted it as their own for a panel of judges and was awarded 1st place while everyone came up with their own routines, and that’s not plagiarism? Surely plagiarism doesn’t stop at literature work. This applies to gymnastics as well, if a mcps student copy a gymnastics Olympic gold medal routine for a mcps competition they should be disqualified.

Well I don't see the point in discussing "why". The point is, in sports, that is how things are. It would be unfair to single out MCPS students on that, right?
If you feel these should be considered plagiarism, the right way to do is to change rules about how people do it in sports, not how MCPS kids do it when they follow the current rules.

In dance, if you copy someone else's choreography, you need to acknowledge and credit the choreographer. You can't just copy someone else's choreo and pretend it is your own.

Agreed, it’s called “stealing”. Poms is more than a sport, it’s art and when you steal someone else piece it’s hurtful and wrong. I actually heard about this incident. Former Pom member myself I know we were suppose to come up with a original routine ourself then compete. If Whitman stole another winning piece cheographed by a professional dancer and slapped their name on it, how is that fair to the other teams?

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Why is this any different? They allegedly took someone else ideas, hard work, and submitted it as their own for a panel of judges and was awarded 1st place while everyone came up with their own routines, and that’s not plagiarism? Surely plagiarism doesn’t stop at literature work. This applies to gymnastics as well, if a mcps student copy a gymnastics Olympic gold medal routine for a mcps competition they should be disqualified.

Well I don't see the point in discussing "why". The point is, in sports, that is how things are. It would be unfair to single out MCPS students on that, right?
If you feel these should be considered plagiarism, the right way to do is to change rules about how people do it in sports, not how MCPS kids do it when they follow the current rules.

In dance, if you copy someone else's choreography, you need to acknowledge and credit the choreographer. You can't just copy someone else's choreo and pretend it is your own.

Agreed, it’s called “stealing”. Poms is more than a sport, it’s art and when you steal someone else piece it’s hurtful and wrong. I actually heard about this incident. Former Pom member myself I know we were suppose to come up with a original routine ourself then compete. If Whitman stole another winning piece cheographed by a professional dancer and slapped their name on it, how is that fair to the other teams?

Then the key is whether you define it as a sport or as an art piece.
As a sport, there is no such issue.
As a art piece, there is.

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Why is this any different? They allegedly took someone else ideas, hard work, and submitted it as their own for a panel of judges and was awarded 1st place while everyone came up with their own routines, and that’s not plagiarism? Surely plagiarism doesn’t stop at literature work. This applies to gymnastics as well, if a mcps student copy a gymnastics Olympic gold medal routine for a mcps competition they should be disqualified.

Well I don't see the point in discussing "why". The point is, in sports, that is how things are. It would be unfair to single out MCPS students on that, right?
If you feel these should be considered plagiarism, the right way to do is to change rules about how people do it in sports, not how MCPS kids do it when they follow the current rules.

In dance, if you copy someone else's choreography, you need to acknowledge and credit the choreographer. You can't just copy someone else's choreo and pretend it is your own.

Agreed, it’s called “stealing”. Poms is more than a sport, it’s art and when you steal someone else piece it’s hurtful and wrong. I actually heard about this incident. Former Pom member myself I know we were suppose to come up with a original routine ourself then compete. If Whitman stole another winning piece cheographed by a professional dancer and slapped their name on it, how is that fair to the other teams?

Then the key is whether you define it as a sport or as an art piece.
As a sport, there is no such issue.
As a art piece, there is.

Poms is both and I think that’s what people don’t understand. Dance is a sport and just as physically demanding as any mcps sports but its also still dance.

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Then the key is whether you define it as a sport or as an art piece.
As a sport, there is no such issue.
As a art piece, there is.

Poms is both and I think that’s what people don’t understand. Dance is a sport and just as physically demanding as any mcps sports but its also still dance.

I don't see a problem when the purpose of the activity is to show how good you do it rather that how original the design is.

Examples include: figure skating, violin competition, etc.

For any of these "art/music" activities, people would not care if the performer really "designed" (or, "wrote", "produced") the piece.

If, of course, you attend a class for music composition, then it matters.

Poms are clearly not the latter.

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Then the key is whether you define it as a sport or as an art piece.
As a sport, there is no such issue.
As a art piece, there is.

Poms is both and I think that’s what people don’t understand. Dance is a sport and just as physically demanding as any mcps sports but its also still dance.

I don't see a problem when the purpose of the activity is to show how good you do it rather that how original the design is.

Examples include: figure skating, violin competition, etc.

For any of these "art/music" activities, people would not care if the performer really "designed" (or, "wrote", "produced") the piece.

If, of course, you attend a class for music composition, then it matters.

Poms are clearly not the latter.

The teams are score partially on creativity. During competition season, the squads are suppose to compose a original routine 4-6 minutes. They’re not just showing “ how good” they perform the dance moves, they’re showing the panel of judges how they think as artist and choreographers. If Whitman stole another teams hard work and vision then yes they’re stealing. Stop using “ They’re just kids.” excuse. We should teach our kids that copying and pasting someone’s routine is wrong. I don’t understand why Whitman squad would even do this. If they all put in hard work then they probably would’ve still placed.