Navid Sepehri ( Walt Whitman High School Teen 17 )

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Anonymous wrote:Have Navid's friends not been forthcoming?

The friends should have an idea where he got the alcohol. They should be able to explain how he ended up alone.

I would expect that they should be able to answer most if not all of the questions posed. If they aren't telling that is despicable. Just like those kids at the party in the Traviliah crash who wouldn't talk. Shameful.

I read that the other boys' took an Uber home, but Navid declined and said he would walk. Who is to blame?

Navid. That's what his parents have failed to accept yet. It's so heartbreaking to read these posts. The story as a whole is very heartbreaking, but a good teaching tool for teens.

Navid is to blame. Navid had the fake IDs. Navid procured the alcohol he drank in excess that night. Navid (probably too drunk to function/act with reason) chose not to get in the Uber with his friends. Navid suffered the ultimate consequence of his actions. Like I said, just heartbreaking.

I tend to agree, but I think it would be easier for his family to accept things if they were really getting straightforward, nitty-gritty information, They may have an easier time believing things if someone could tell them how he got the fake ids, and that they know he purchased the alcohol. Maybe they need to hear the details of the last conversation his friends had with him. Maybe they feel like the friends are holding something back.
We certainly need to let our kids know that they should never be too afraid of getting in trouble to deal with a situation like this properly. If my kids are too drunk, if their friends are too drunk, I want them to know that calling us is always better than a situation ending in tragedy. And I don't want my kids to ever leave a drunk friend alone at night.

+1, this family is looking for answers. No one is understanding their grief. If these kids were his true friends, they would not have left him and they would have called someone's parent to come get them. I don't care what kind of trouble my kid or their friend is in, they better call us. They will be in more trouble for not calling than what they actually did. The parents of the house should have made sure each parent was called and kids got home safely by uber, driving them or calling a parent. Or, they shouldn't have left their kids along in a house unsupervised if they cannot be trusted not to have a party without adults there.

I think you overestimate the ability of drunk kids on all sides to make good decisions. Don't underestimate their desire to stay out of trouble with their parents and the cops. We spend so much time telling kids that they will ruin their future with one misstep. Maybe when Navid said he'd walk, in their drunk state assumed he'd be ok and wanted to get out of there. I'm sure that everyone of them would take that moment back if they could.

I also don't think you've ever been around one of these things when the cops show. Kids scatter into the woods and all over the place. The idea that they could somehow corral all of them and make them call their parents is laughable. The kids in question were not invited to the party and were likely unknown to the host parents. Maybe other parents need to teach their kids not to go to places where they are not invited and there were adults there. Get your story straight.

+1 Especially the bold parts.

And yes, it is a huge tragedy. And the parents are drowning in grief . . . a grief that I know I can not begin to understand.

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I read that the other boys' took an Uber home, but Navid declined and said he would walk. Who is to blame?


Navid. That's what his parents have failed to accept yet. It's so heartbreaking to read these posts. The story as a whole is very heartbreaking, but a good teaching tool for teens.

Navid is to blame. Navid had the fake IDs. Navid procured the alcohol he drank in excess that night. Navid (probably too drunk to function/act with reason) chose not to get in the Uber with his friends. Navid suffered the ultimate consequence of his actions. Like I said, just heartbreaking.

I tend to agree, but I think it would be easier for his family to accept things if they were really getting straightforward, nitty-gritty information, They may have an easier time believing things if someone could tell them how he got the fake ids, and that they know he purchased the alcohol. Maybe they need to hear the details of the last conversation his friends had with him. Maybe they feel like the friends are holding something back.
We certainly need to let our kids know that they should never be too afraid of getting in trouble to deal with a situation like this properly. If my kids are too drunk, if their friends are too drunk, I want them to know that calling us is always better than a situation ending in tragedy. And I don't want my kids to ever leave a drunk friend alone at night.


+1, this family is looking for answers. No one is understanding their grief. If these kids were his true friends, they would not have left him and they would have called someone's parent to come get them. I don't care what kind of trouble my kid or their friend is in, they better call us. They will be in more trouble for not calling than what they actually did. The parents of the house should have made sure each parent was called and kids got home safely by uber, driving them or calling a parent. Or, they shouldn't have left their kids along in a house unsupervised if they cannot be trusted not to have a party without adults there.


I agree that parents hosting the party should have stepped in and acted as adults to ensure safety of high school student participants. Perhaps they did not break the law, but as adults we can learn that we shouldn't be afraid to step in and provide firm guidance. What a terrible tragedy.

Puh-lease. There isn't a shred of evidence that there was any need for the diplomat family to 'step in and provide firm guidance'. These aren't toddlers. These are kids who can procure fake ID. They're smart and are risk takers. The diplomat family didn't know them and DID do what they were supposed to do. They let the cops handle it. And, I don't fault the cops. They see kids make mistakes all the time and I'm glad they're allowed to exercise judgment on how to handle it. People need to realize that you cannot eliminate risk - nor should you.

The lesson from this tragedy is not to become more strigent or restrictive but to recognize that no matter how much we educate them, talk to them, are avaialble to them, they will make poor choices.

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I read that the other boys' took an Uber home, but Navid declined and said he would walk. Who is to blame?


Navid. That's what his parents have failed to accept yet. It's so heartbreaking to read these posts. The story as a whole is very heartbreaking, but a good teaching tool for teens.

Navid is to blame. Navid had the fake IDs. Navid procured the alcohol he drank in excess that night. Navid (probably too drunk to function/act with reason) chose not to get in the Uber with his friends. Navid suffered the ultimate consequence of his actions. Like I said, just heartbreaking.

I tend to agree, but I think it would be easier for his family to accept things if they were really getting straightforward, nitty-gritty information, They may have an easier time believing things if someone could tell them how he got the fake ids, and that they know he purchased the alcohol. Maybe they need to hear the details of the last conversation his friends had with him. Maybe they feel like the friends are holding something back.
We certainly need to let our kids know that they should never be too afraid of getting in trouble to deal with a situation like this properly. If my kids are too drunk, if their friends are too drunk, I want them to know that calling us is always better than a situation ending in tragedy. And I don't want my kids to ever leave a drunk friend alone at night.


+1, this family is looking for answers. No one is understanding their grief. If these kids were his true friends, they would not have left him and they would have called someone's parent to come get them. I don't care what kind of trouble my kid or their friend is in, they better call us. They will be in more trouble for not calling than what they actually did. The parents of the house should have made sure each parent was called and kids got home safely by uber, driving them or calling a parent. Or, they shouldn't have left their kids along in a house unsupervised if they cannot be trusted not to have a party without adults there.


I agree that parents hosting the party should have stepped in and acted as adults to ensure safety of high school student participants. Perhaps they did not break the law, but as adults we can learn that we shouldn't be afraid to step in and provide firm guidance. What a terrible tragedy.

Puh-lease. There isn't a shred of evidence that there was any need for the diplomat family to 'step in and provide firm guidance'. These aren't toddlers. These are kids who can procure fake ID. They're smart and are risk takers. The diplomat family didn't know them and DID do what they were supposed to do. They let the cops handle it. And, I don't fault the cops. They see kids make mistakes all the time and I'm glad they're allowed to exercise judgment on how to handle it. People need to realize that you cannot eliminate risk - nor should you.

The lesson from this tragedy is not to become more strigent or restrictive but to recognize that no matter how much we educate them, talk to them, are avaialble to them, they will make poor choices.

+1 Excellent comments. The "host" parents broke up the party at 10:15 and called at least one parent. Please do not put any blame on them, no way could they corral older kids who were not invited when police showed up and call all their parents. They are not 10 year olds. Obviously, Navid's friends made bad choices that night just as he did - of course they wish they could change what they did. Tragically, it happens. But I also understand Navid's parents wanting to know exactly what happened. Please come forth and tell them everything about that night. Let them get closure.

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Thinking back to a hundred stupid things I did as a teenager 30+ years ago, and how any one of them -- driving drunk, getting in a car with a drunk friend driving, crashing a party held by college boys I didn't know and getting wasted -- could have ended in death. And I was a "good" kid -- honors classes, Ivy league college, goody two shoes.

Almost none of us maintain good judgment through adolescence, but most of us are luckier than Navid.

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+1 Excellent comments. The "host" parents broke up the party at 10:15 and called at least one parent. Please do not put any blame on them, no way could they corral older kids who were not invited when police showed up and call all their parents. They are not 10 year olds. Obviously, Navid's friends made bad choices that night just as he did - of course they wish they could change what they did. Tragically, it happens. But I also understand Navid's parents wanting to know exactly what happened. Please come forth and tell them everything about that night. Let them get closure.

I think it is absolutely appropriate for his family to seek information for closure. What I think is unfortunate is that they are explicitly looking for someone to blame in their grief. The tone and wording of the OP isn't going to do much to get them first-hand information.

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Anonymous wrote:Thinking back to a hundred stupid things I did as a teenager 30+ years ago, and how any one of them -- driving drunk, getting in a car with a drunk friend driving, crashing a party held by college boys I didn't know and getting wasted -- could have ended in death. And I was a "good" kid -- honors classes, Ivy league college, goody two shoes.

Almost none of us maintain good judgment through adolescence, but most of us are luckier than Navid.

Same here - except my stupidity extended well into my 20s, and in one or two instances, my 30s. I have dodged many bullets.

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Anonymous wrote:wasn't there a thread on this a few weeks ago?

Yes there was. While the loss of this child was/is tragic, I'm afraid looking for someone to blame is not the solution for OPs grief. I hope the family is getting counseling.

I don't know the family who hosted the party, but I feel like they are being unfairly targeted by OP. At least as it was reported the victim and his friends were not invited to the party, showed up drunk, and were asked to leave.

I agree. Very sorry for OP's loss, but I think the PP is correct.

I don't agree at all. His family wants to know what happened - wouldn't you? Not necessarily to blame anyone. So heart breaking. Obviously Navid made some bad choices that night -- as many kids do. But don't his parents deserve to know what happened?

I think it's common knowledge now what happened. It just seems like the parents don't want to accept that, which I understand. No one wants to believe their kid would make bad choices and we all want to believe that when something bad happens, there was some ulterior motive or something else going on that MADE them choose what they did. It's just not the case.

I also 100% believe that as the parents have stated, they aren't being given any updates by the police. That must be very frustrating, but it's also procedure to protect the case. You don't want too many details out there before any arrests can be made (if there are any to be made) or give fuel to any vengeful family members.

for those posting on this thread, I suggest you look at the site that was posted. It outlines the questions they are looking for answers on and the questions do appear to be in line with the situation that was reported.
It sounds like they are trying to determine how he would have be able to obtain alcohol. Was it sold to him in a store? Did someone provide it?

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Anonymous wrote:wasn't there a thread on this a few weeks ago?

Yes there was. While the loss of this child was/is tragic, I'm afraid looking for someone to blame is not the solution for OPs grief. I hope the family is getting counseling.

I don't know the family who hosted the party, but I feel like they are being unfairly targeted by OP. At least as it was reported the victim and his friends were not invited to the party, showed up drunk, and were asked to leave.

I agree. Very sorry for OP's loss, but I think the PP is correct.

I don't agree at all. His family wants to know what happened - wouldn't you? Not necessarily to blame anyone. So heart breaking. Obviously Navid made some bad choices that night -- as many kids do. But don't his parents deserve to know what happened?

I think it's common knowledge now what happened. It just seems like the parents don't want to accept that, which I understand. No one wants to believe their kid would make bad choices and we all want to believe that when something bad happens, there was some ulterior motive or something else going on that MADE them choose what they did. It's just not the case.

I also 100% believe that as the parents have stated, they aren't being given any updates by the police. That must be very frustrating, but it's also procedure to protect the case. You don't want too many details out there before any arrests can be made (if there are any to be made) or give fuel to any vengeful family members.

for those posting on this thread, I suggest you look at the site that was posted. It outlines the questions they are looking for answers on and the questions do appear to be in line with the situation that was reported.
It sounds like they are trying to determine how he would have be able to obtain alcohol. Was it sold to him in a store? Did someone provide it?

2 Pennsylvania fake IDs were found on him. The bottle he was found with was determined to have been purchased outside of Montgomery County. I think it’s easy to connect the dots. Unfortunately it ended up the way it did.

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Anonymous wrote:Thinking back to a hundred stupid things I did as a teenager 30+ years ago, and how any one of them -- driving drunk, getting in a car with a drunk friend driving, crashing a party held by college boys I didn't know and getting wasted -- could have ended in death. And I was a "good" kid -- honors classes, Ivy league college, goody two shoes.

Almost none of us maintain good judgment through adolescence, but most of us are luckier than Navid.

+1 Navid's death is a terrible tragedy. My heart goes out to his family. Thank you for the work you are doing through Navid's memorial foundation.
I also almost died because of alcohol consumption while I was in medical school, because I was completely clueless about the damage that alcohol could do. (I thought I was doing a shot, but it was probably close to 3-4 shots worth of overproof rum.)

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Thanks alot for your comments . You are the type of person that knows what we are going true not theses nonsense individuals that we get comments from they could be friends , family or colleagues of the home owners. or even the police.

Thanks Again

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks alot for your comments . You are the type of person that knows what we are going true not theses nonsense individuals that we get comments from they could be friends , family or colleagues of the home owners. or even the police.

Thanks Again

Are you really Navid's parent? If you are and you want information, please stop posting things like "these nonsense individuals." It makes you less sympathetic and people may not feel comfortable coming forward with details. I can't begin to understand your grief, but being negative or judgmental in your posts won't encourage those who have information to come forward. There is nothing you can do to bring your son back, and you likely won't get the answers you are seeking. There are comments on this board that I'm sure further open your wounds. I recommend getting off this board and accepting that you won't get the answers you want. This was a tradegy that you will never fully recover from. Maybe take your grief and direct it toward working with a group that tries to educate teens against drinking alcohol. You might find other parents who have been through what you're going through. This board is not going to help you heal. Please take my advice. Consider trying to get a memorial video together of your son and maybe ask his school to play it once per year to the student body to help cut down on tragedies like this. That way you honor his memory and help others. If you can't do the video yourself, ask some of his teen friends to help put it together, they are very tech savvy. I wish you peace.

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If it's really the parents posting- I don't think they'll get any information. People realistically are afraid of being sued.

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This is a huge tragedy, and I am truly sorry for Navid's family.

If I were the parent of one of the friends who was with him in his last hours, I would be sending my child to speak to his family, to express how sorry they are, and to provide any memories of details that might provide the family with some comfort. These friends will live with their actions/inactions for the rest of their lives, and I think they truly will regret it if they do not meet with the family like this, and own up to their own role in this tragedy (there is much blame to go around, including primarily on Navid himself for the choices he made). I hope this is happening.

As a parent, is it too much to expect that the police, upon discovering drunk high school students, would make the students call their parents? If that had happened in this case, Navid would still be alive. So I do think the police need to explain their actions here, and inform us if they are making changes to how they would respond to such a situation in the future.

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That's why we have the Anonymous website Http://www.saysomethingfornav.com

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The bottom line is that no one knows whose fault this was. Perhaps it was just an accident, however, there are facts missing. Without the facts, it is impossible to definitely know what happened. Maybe the family is looking to blame someone... I also feel like someone is to blame based on what I know. There is much conjecture in this thread about what happened and what the diplomats knew or know. Unfortunately, when diplomats are involved, it complicates matters. The facts don't add up. The family wants to know what happened. It is completely natural for the family to want answers and to want to assign accountabiliity. Perhaps if peoplel would be more forthcoming with iinformation about what happened, the family might draw its own conclusion that either their son died of a tragic accident or that someone really is to blame. They can't do that without all of the facts.