Hearing Testimony on FCPS Proposed CIP

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here's a plan to close Lee:

Move Bren Mar Park back to Annandale from Edison [Annandale is projected to have space]

Move Springfield Estates and Lynbrook from Lee to Edison [Swap at Edison - might need to add modular]

Move Forestdale from Lee to Hayfield [Hayfield is projected to have space]

Move Saratoga from Lee to South County [SoCo is projected to have space]

Move Crestwood and the portion of Rolling Valley at Lee to West Springfield [Swap at West Springfield]

Move Orange Hunt and the portion of Sangster at West Springfield to Lake Braddock [Swap at West Springfield; Lake Braddocik is projected to have space]

They should keep Mount Vernon open, but move Fort Hunt there from West Potomac
[Mount Vernon is projected to have space]

Sorry but this is the silliest, most ridiculous and disruptive idea ever posted on this board about redistricting, and that is saying a lot.


Why? Scared of kids from Lee coming to your school?


Because it shows how very disruptive closing a high school would be.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here's a plan to close Lee:

Move Bren Mar Park back to Annandale from Edison

Move Springfield Estates and Lynbrook from Lee to Edison

Move Forestdale from Lee to Hayfield

Move Saratoga from Lee to South County

Move Crestwood and the portion of Rolling Valley at Lee to West Springfield

Move Orange Hunt and the portion of Sangster at West Springfield to Lake Braddock

They should keep Mount Vernon open, but move Fort Hunt there from West Potomac


And the Garfield kids don't go to high school?


Apparently not.


Good point. Move Crestwood and Garfield to West Springfield, and then add the Lee part of Rolling Valley to South County.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here's a plan to close Lee:

Move Bren Mar Park back to Annandale from Edison [Annandale is projected to have space]

Move Springfield Estates and Lynbrook from Lee to Edison [Swap at Edison - might need to add modular]

Move Forestdale from Lee to Hayfield [Hayfield is projected to have space]

Move Saratoga from Lee to South County [SoCo is projected to have space]

Move Crestwood and the portion of Rolling Valley at Lee to West Springfield [Swap at West Springfield]

Move Orange Hunt and the portion of Sangster at West Springfield to Lake Braddock [Swap at West Springfield; Lake Braddocik is projected to have space]

They should keep Mount Vernon open, but move Fort Hunt there from West Potomac
[Mount Vernon is projected to have space]

Sorry but this is the silliest, most ridiculous and disruptive idea ever posted on this board about redistricting, and that is saying a lot.


Why? Scared of kids from Lee coming to your school?


Because it shows how very disruptive closing a high school would be.


It may be disruptive to close a high school, but it's also disgraceful to neglect one.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here's a plan to close Lee:

Move Bren Mar Park back to Annandale from Edison [Annandale is projected to have space]

Move Springfield Estates and Lynbrook from Lee to Edison [Swap at Edison - might need to add modular]

Move Forestdale from Lee to Hayfield [Hayfield is projected to have space]

Move Saratoga from Lee to South County [SoCo is projected to have space]

Move Crestwood and the portion of Rolling Valley at Lee to West Springfield [Swap at West Springfield]

Move Orange Hunt and the portion of Sangster at West Springfield to Lake Braddock [Swap at West Springfield; Lake Braddocik is projected to have space]

They should keep Mount Vernon open, but move Fort Hunt there from West Potomac
[Mount Vernon is projected to have space]

Sorry but this is the silliest, most ridiculous and disruptive idea ever posted on this board about redistricting, and that is saying a lot.


Why? Scared of kids from Lee coming to your school?


My kids schools are not on that list.

You suggested rezoning nine elementary schools, many to schools farther or at vastly lower achievement levels from the one they currently attend.

And you left off Garfield (maybe more schools?) Apparently the kids at Garfield get to max out their education at the 8th grade.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here's a plan to close Lee:

Move Bren Mar Park back to Annandale from Edison [Annandale is projected to have space]

Move Springfield Estates and Lynbrook from Lee to Edison [Swap at Edison - might need to add modular]

Move Forestdale from Lee to Hayfield [Hayfield is projected to have space]

Move Saratoga from Lee to South County [SoCo is projected to have space]

Move Crestwood and the portion of Rolling Valley at Lee to West Springfield [Swap at West Springfield]

Move Orange Hunt and the portion of Sangster at West Springfield to Lake Braddock [Swap at West Springfield; Lake Braddocik is projected to have space]

They should keep Mount Vernon open, but move Fort Hunt there from West Potomac
[Mount Vernon is projected to have space]

Sorry but this is the silliest, most ridiculous and disruptive idea ever posted on this board about redistricting, and that is saying a lot.


Why? Scared of kids from Lee coming to your school?


Because it shows how very disruptive closing a high school would be.


It may be disruptive to close a high school, but it's also disgraceful to neglect one.


Lee is not get neglected.

They were given IB.

They are given more funds.

They have beautiful athletic fields.

They are smaller than all of the surrounding high schools.

Their building needs updating, but that will come.in time.

They have some great teachers there.

They are not being neglected. They serve a needier population so they have lower achievement in spite of getting more funds and more attention.

Your idea disrupts the lives, plans and yes, real estate values of thousands of families. And it does not guarantee higher achievement anywhere.

It is a silly idea.

Moving 10 or so kids per grade so they are zoned for the same middle and high school as every other kid in their school is a non disruptive, low cost, smart idea.

Anonymous
Fortunately, neither FCPS staff nor the School Board has suggested moving even more higher SES families out of Lee to West Springfield. It’s just something being pushed by some families who probably don’t have ties to Lee yet, and are indifferent to further actions to weaken the school.

Were this ever to become an action item, rest assured supporters of greater equity in FCPS will turn out to both object and support further boundary changes to move students from WS to Lee.
Anonymous
Out of curiosity, what do those handful of Rolling Valley (or Daventry before rezoning) kids do when the 6th grade goes to Irving for the school tours (fine arts day and curriculum day).

Is it a case where everyone gets on the bus to take a field trip, and the 6 or so kids zoned for Key and Lee sit by themselves left behind?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Lee is a low performing school. Aren't smaller schools and smaller class sizes a priority for underperforming schools?


Yes, however segregation seems to have a more negative effect than smaller class size and schools. At least that's what's come out of most of the reports. Ideally there is some of both. Integration and smaller class sizes.


Smaller class sizes and smaller school sizes are not the same thing. The former may allow for more personal attention and instruction; the latter tends to lead to fewer course options, weak PTSAs, and extra-curricular programs that struggle to get off the ground.

FCPS has neglected Lee for many years, aided and abetted by weak school board members who don't stick up for the school. They should not be moving any kids out of West Springfield to Lee at the present time. Period.


I've posted before about Lee. FCPS and Fairfax County are addressing Lee HS by the renovation and revitalization of the mall. It's a long term plan.


It’s just plain stupid to think that a shopping mall renovation will improve the situation at Lee HS. Low-paying retail/service jobs will not attract the higher SES families that the school needs. Yes, there has been some McMansion infill development in the vicinity, but most likely those buyers aren’t sending their kids to Lee. Most likely, they are going private or homeschooling.
Anonymous
What private high school is someone going to attend from Springfield?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:What private high school is someone going to attend from Springfield?


There are kids in Springfield who commute into DC or Alexandria with their parents to places like St. Stephens/St. Agnes,Bishop O’Connell or Bishop Ireton, Immanuel Christian, Madeira, etc. A lot of privates in NoVA have carpools - Paul VI, Nysmith, Commonwealth Academy, the New School, etc.
Anonymous
St. Bernadette’s, nativity, John Paul the great, trinity, Immanuel Christian. There are a lot of private schools.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here's a plan to close Lee:

Move Bren Mar Park back to Annandale from Edison [Annandale is projected to have space]

Move Springfield Estates and Lynbrook from Lee to Edison [Swap at Edison - might need to add modular]

Move Forestdale from Lee to Hayfield [Hayfield is projected to have space]

Move Saratoga from Lee to South County [SoCo is projected to have space]

Move Crestwood and the portion of Rolling Valley at Lee to West Springfield [Swap at West Springfield]

Move Orange Hunt and the portion of Sangster at West Springfield to Lake Braddock [Swap at West Springfield; Lake Braddocik is projected to have space]

They should keep Mount Vernon open, but move Fort Hunt there from West Potomac
[Mount Vernon is projected to have space]

Sorry but this is the silliest, most ridiculous and disruptive idea ever posted on this board about redistricting, and that is saying a lot.


Why? Scared of kids from Lee coming to your school?


Because it shows how very disruptive closing a high school would be.


It may be disruptive to close a high school, but it's also disgraceful to neglect one.


Lee is not get neglected.

They were given IB.

They are given more funds.

They have beautiful athletic fields.

They are smaller than all of the surrounding high schools.

Their building needs updating, but that will come.in time.

They have some great teachers there.

They are not being neglected. They serve a needier population so they have lower achievement in spite of getting more funds and more attention.

Your idea disrupts the lives, plans and yes, real estate values of thousands of families. And it does not guarantee higher achievement anywhere.

It is a silly idea.

Moving 10 or so kids per grade so they are zoned for the same middle and high school as every other kid in their school is a non disruptive, low cost, smart idea.



Getting IB was not helpful to Lee. It has contributed to the flight from Lee.

The turf field was paid for by Vornado when they redeveloped the mall (it was a proffer, basically extorted out of the developer by the county). Other than that, the fields at Lee are OK. The sports boosters struggle to raise the necessary funds every year to make their mandatory contribution to field upkeep.

Being smaller does not necessarily mean smaller class sizes, but it does cause issues as far as the number of course offerings.

Not sure why people think the building needs updating. It was renovated around 2005 and looks fine inside. Maybe not quite as fancy as some of the most recent renovations. Outside the school looks a lot like many of the other FCPS schools.

It won't be 10 or so Rolling Valley students per grade attending Lee. It will likely be twice that. The video testimony by Rolling Valley parents indicates the average has been about 20 per year (per grade) that are supposed to go to Key and Lee. People will stop pupil placing and send their kids to WS. This adds up to about 70-80 students across four grades. They said the same thing about Daventry (about 10 per grade). It has actually been closer to 25. So Daventry will eventually send between 90 and 100 students to WS. Add 70-80 from Rolling Valley to the 90-100 from Daventry and now you have 160-180 students - that is 10% of the current Lee enrollment. And very few of these students are likely to be participants in the F/R lunch program. You see how this spirals out of control when you are only taking a 'small group'.

The current county projection after the construction/expansion of WS is for the school to be at 105% of capacity within a few years (that factors in the new capacity of 2350 students). Lee will only be at 85%.

Now, for the odds of RV moving out of Lee either next year or the year after. I give it about 75/25 that it does happen. When Daventry moved no one outside of the Daventry community knew anything about it until it was pretty much a done deal. They did not need to have it approved by the School Board because it was a small group (<5% - at least that is what they claimed at the time). So I do think the odds say the RV to WS move will likely happen (FCPS is obsessed with closing split feeders, damn the consequences). Though notice from my above paragraph that Rolling Valley and Daventry combined will be about 10% of the Lee enrollment - so you can piecemeal these changes without getting School Board approval as long as each piece is below 5% (and ignoring current pupil placements that alter the numbers). I think the RV parents were told by a School Board member to appear at the CIP hearing to officially testify as part of checking off a box on the way to making the administrative change. I think something is afoot here, so keep your eyes open.

No, they are not closing Lee - the surrounding schools do not have the capacity to absorb 1700 students.

And obviously, One Fairfax is a joke.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:What private high school is someone going to attend from Springfield?


What do you think Springfield is like? Are you a kid?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What private high school is someone going to attend from Springfield?


There are kids in Springfield who commute into DC or Alexandria with their parents to places like St. Stephens/St. Agnes,Bishop O’Connell or Bishop Ireton, Immanuel Christian, Madeira, etc. A lot of privates in NoVA have carpools - Paul VI, Nysmith, Commonwealth Academy, the New School, etc.


Those people are going because they are Catholic. It is not like DC where mostly non Catholics attend Catholic schools.

They are not going to Catholic School to flee WSHS.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:St. Bernadette’s, nativity, John Paul the great, trinity, Immanuel Christian. There are a lot of private schools.


Those are almost all elementary schools. Not an option for those fleeing Lee.
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