Any other alums who think their school has gone off the deep end?

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Anonymous wrote:Just to expand the analysis :
http://prospect.org/article/conservatives-behind-campus-‘free-speech’-crusade

FIRE has a conservative agenda. Not that these issues aren’t real. Balanced liberalism is under attack by the extreme left which shares a remarkable number of viewpoints with the far right. Anarchy has a high price.

FIRE is non-partisan -- I follow them closely and donate to them. They defend attacks on free speech from either side. It just so happens there seems to be more attempts to stop conservative-oriented speech than liberal-oriented speech.

FIRE is non-partisan in that they don't affiliate with a particular political party, but they lean heavily conservative.

My alma mater was dinged for having policies that prohibit sexual harassment and harassment/discrimination/intimidation based on race, gender, disability, etc. If that's the kind of speech they're trying to protect, well, that's on their moral conscience.

I think there are two goals with that and how they rate it:

1. People accused of harrassment or worse should be afforded due process. This is an issue in sexual assault cases -- universities try to handle it in-house and they aren't equipped to do so, and due process isn't followed. Sexual assault is a serious crime -- universities should turn it over to the real police and let them handle it. If you look at the TJ Miller situation making the news today:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/silicon-valley-star-tj-miller-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-and-punching-a-woman They were students at GW. She accused him of sexual assault. It was tried in a "student court". How is that fair to the victim or the accused? We have real courts and investigators for a reason.

2. The speech policies about what is offensive are too broad. I checked the code of conduct for a conference I'll attend next year, and anything I say that the other party finds "offensive" is grounds for ejection. So let's say we have differing political views -- the other person may find them offensive, and the way the policy is worded, I'm in violation of the code of conduct.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Well avoid Berkeley ^^. I'm not sure there are any even-handed schools left in California. I attended Harvard Law. It has become so left that I no longer give any money.

Berkeley has made huge improvements in free speech over the last year, after learning from their mistakes:
https://www.thefire.org/berkeley-plans-multi-platform-free-speech-initiative-for-new-academic-year/

Fail. There's no hope for Berkeley. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/09/flip-flopping-on-free-speech

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Scripps! Ultra-super lefty now. Gender studies everywhere.

Considering there was only 1 Gender Studies major in the recent graduating class of 205, I take it that you must not be very acquainted with your alma mater. Sad, really.

You really don't want me to post what I actually experienced there. I rue the day I matriculated there and will never give a penny. And of course I meant all the courses, listed here and the fact that gender issues permeate every single bloody class on campus. http://catalog.scrippscollege.edu/preview_program.php?catoid=15&poid=2429. What a waste of four years!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How about Harvard:
https://www.harvard.edu/media-relations/media-resources/popular-topics/unrecognized-single-gender-social-organizations

If you, in your spare time, are part of any group that is single-sex, then as a Harvard student you are banned from playing on a sports team or holding a student leadership position.

That includes being a member of groups for women in STEM fields. In your spare time.

What's next, they'll ban you depending on which church or mosque you attend on the weekend?

It's not clear that's the case. A "final club" of men clearly would trigger the policy as a "social organization," but I'd bet they treat associations of female STEM majors differently.

It's all based on the assumption that men cannot be allowed to exclude women in any social context. Women and minorities rarely are held to similar standards by college administrators.

At the very least, it affects sororities and fraternities:
https://www.thefire.org/harvard-corporation-finalizes-single-gender-organization-sanctions-policy/

Interesting Harvard has been so hush-hush about their policy even though it's taking effect soon.

Last I knew, Dean Faust was going to prohibit all participants in the private dining clubs from getting the Rhodes or Marshall nomination to compete. I couldn't understand how she could deny a student a school nomination for a private off-campus activity - but she said she was going to do it. What ever happened to that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I went to Notre Dame for undergrad. No. In fact one of the things I liked most about it was that it's very politically diverse. Like, a 50/50 split which is pretty rare at colleges these days. I liked being in an environment where there really was people on all along the political spectrum not just "liberal" to "practically communist."

And then I went to Yale for law school and yeah...that one's gone a little far. No money to them.

I really respect the way some ND students walked out at graduation. They got to protest his policies, but let other students and their families appreciate the special day. Back in the day I saw it as a conservative school, but now I would encourage my children to attend.

It was rude and disrespectful. If you are going to do that, just don't go at all. Or do like the rest of us do, sit through interminable boring lefty speeches with a polite look on our faces. I know a number of ND families thought that move to be just too pointed and rude and I agree.

“How much did Mike Pence’s NFL walkout cost taxpayers?”
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-much-did-mike-pences-nfl-walkout-cost-taxpayers-2017-10-08

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I went to Notre Dame for undergrad. No. In fact one of the things I liked most about it was that it's very politically diverse. Like, a 50/50 split which is pretty rare at colleges these days. I liked being in an environment where there really was people on all along the political spectrum not just "liberal" to "practically communist."

And then I went to Yale for law school and yeah...that one's gone a little far. No money to them.

I really respect the way some ND students walked out at graduation. They got to protest his policies, but let other students and their families appreciate the special day. Back in the day I saw it as a conservative school, but now I would encourage my children to attend.

It was rude and disrespectful. If you are going to do that, just don't go at all. Or do like the rest of us do, sit through interminable boring lefty speeches with a polite look on our faces. I know a number of ND families thought that move to be just too pointed and rude and I agree.

“How much did Mike Pence’s NFL walkout cost taxpayers?”
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-much-did-mike-pences-nfl-walkout-cost-taxpayers-2017-10-08

Thank you.

What Pence got at ND was totally in line with the disrespect he's shown the nation and humanity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Scripps! Ultra-super lefty now. Gender studies everywhere.

Considering there was only 1 Gender Studies major in the recent graduating class of 205, I take it that you must not be very acquainted with your alma mater. Sad, really.

You really don't want me to post what I actually experienced there. I rue the day I matriculated there and will never give a penny. And of course I meant all the courses, listed here and the fact that gender issues permeate every single bloody class on campus. http://catalog.scrippscollege.edu/preview_program.php?catoid=15&poid=2429. What a waste of four years!

NP. I looked through the courses listed and found them quite interesting. You take those classes and process and consume what you learn with a grain of salt. If anything, it will introduce you to the varied perspectives of others.

Sounds like you’re bitter that your college experience wasn’t great moreso than that some students choose to study a particular subject. Sorry Scripps wasn’t the school for you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Scripps! Ultra-super lefty now. Gender studies everywhere.

Considering there was only 1 Gender Studies major in the recent graduating class of 205, I take it that you must not be very acquainted with your alma mater. Sad, really.

You really don't want me to post what I actually experienced there. I rue the day I matriculated there and will never give a penny. And of course I meant all the courses, listed here and the fact that gender issues permeate every single bloody class on campus. http://catalog.scrippscollege.edu/preview_program.php?catoid=15&poid=2429. What a waste of four years!

I'm sorry to hear that, but I am a bit perplexed. Wouldn't it have been easy to wander off to Pomona/CMC/Pitzer/Mudd and not have to deal with gender-related courses if they didn't appeal to you? There are 2800 courses offered across the colleges. How recent are your experiences?

The Niche surveys seem mostly positive (https://www.niche.com/colleges/scripps-college/reviews/) and the past five years average a 93% retention rate, which is pretty high (much higher than the national private college average of 66%).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Scripps! Ultra-super lefty now. Gender studies everywhere.

Considering there was only 1 Gender Studies major in the recent graduating class of 205, I take it that you must not be very acquainted with your alma mater. Sad, really.

You really don't want me to post what I actually experienced there. I rue the day I matriculated there and will never give a penny. And of course I meant all the courses, listed here and the fact that gender issues permeate every single bloody class on campus. http://catalog.scrippscollege.edu/preview_program.php?catoid=15&poid=2429. What a waste of four years!

I'm sorry to hear that, but I am a bit perplexed. Wouldn't it have been easy to wander off to Pomona/CMC/Pitzer/Mudd and not have to deal with gender-related courses if they didn't appeal to you? There are 2800 courses offered across the colleges. How recent are your experiences?

The Niche surveys seem mostly positive (https://www.niche.com/colleges/scripps-college/reviews/) and the past five years average a 93% retention rate, which is pretty high (much higher than the national private college average of 66%).

My issue was what I had to deal with in dorm life. I was young. I am heterosexual. I had a lesbian roommate and had to listen to her and partners every night. College housing would not let me get a reassignment because this was the new norm and I had to learn to live with it. Yes, I did take some classes at Pomona but I still couldn't get away from the "Lesbian is always right" attitude prevalent on the campus. No matter what dorm I was assigned to it was right there in my face and I was the rude one if I complained about what I had to listen to five feet from my bed every night. So I don't give money and never go to reunions. I should have transferred the first year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I went to Notre Dame for undergrad. No. In fact one of the things I liked most about it was that it's very politically diverse. Like, a 50/50 split which is pretty rare at colleges these days. I liked being in an environment where there really was people on all along the political spectrum not just "liberal" to "practically communist."

And then I went to Yale for law school and yeah...that one's gone a little far. No money to them.

I really respect the way some ND students walked out at graduation. They got to protest his policies, but let other students and their families appreciate the special day. Back in the day I saw it as a conservative school, but now I would encourage my children to attend.

It was rude and disrespectful. If you are going to do that, just don't go at all. Or do like the rest of us do, sit through interminable boring lefty speeches with a polite look on our faces. I know a number of ND families thought that move to be just too pointed and rude and I agree.

“How much did Mike Pence’s NFL walkout cost taxpayers?”
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-much-did-mike-pences-nfl-walkout-cost-taxpayers-2017-10-08

Thank you.

What Pence got at ND was totally in line with the disrespect he's shown the nation and humanity.

Please elucidate. What exactly has he done to show disrespect to the nation and humanity? Precisely please.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Culture changes. What you want your former school to be is really rather irrelevant if current students and recent graduates find that the environment and education suit them, don't you think?

OP: I have donated almost every year since I've graduated, and think I've reached the point where I can't justify it anymore. Culture changes, but my college has started fluff "studies" majors and lost any semblance of free speech. I was on campus for homecoming and couldn't believe how much students, administration, and faculty equated any semblance of conservatism as something that needs to be apologized for. If they are going to criticize people having wealth, then they don't need my money earned thru capitalism.

+1 well said

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Culture changes. What you want your former school to be is really rather irrelevant if current students and recent graduates find that the environment and education suit them, don't you think?

OP: I have donated almost every year since I've graduated, and think I've reached the point where I can't justify it anymore. Culture changes, but my college has started fluff "studies" majors and lost any semblance of free speech. I was on campus for homecoming and couldn't believe how much students, administration, and faculty equated any semblance of conservatism as something that needs to be apologized for. If they are going to criticize people having wealth, then they don't need my money earned thru capitalism.

+1 well said

+1000. (and that includes gender studies for me - try and get a job with that as your major)

[Anonymous]

Middlebury.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Scripps! Ultra-super lefty now. Gender studies everywhere.

Considering there was only 1 Gender Studies major in the recent graduating class of 205, I take it that you must not be very acquainted with your alma mater. Sad, really.

You really don't want me to post what I actually experienced there. I rue the day I matriculated there and will never give a penny. And of course I meant all the courses, listed here and the fact that gender issues permeate every single bloody class on campus. http://catalog.scrippscollege.edu/preview_program.php?catoid=15&poid=2429. What a waste of four years!

I'm sorry to hear that, but I am a bit perplexed. Wouldn't it have been easy to wander off to Pomona/CMC/Pitzer/Mudd and not have to deal with gender-related courses if they didn't appeal to you? There are 2800 courses offered across the colleges. How recent are your experiences?

The Niche surveys seem mostly positive (https://www.niche.com/colleges/scripps-college/reviews/) and the past five years average a 93% retention rate, which is pretty high (much higher than the national private college average of 66%).

My issue was what I had to deal with in dorm life. I was young. I am heterosexual. I had a lesbian roommate and had to listen to her and partners every night. College housing would not let me get a reassignment because this was the new norm and I had to learn to live with it. Yes, I did take some classes at Pomona but I still couldn't get away from the "Lesbian is always right" attitude prevalent on the campus. No matter what dorm I was assigned to it was right there in my face and I was the rude one if I complained about what I had to listen to five feet from my bed every night. So I don't give money and never go to reunions. I should have transferred the first year.

So if you had a straight roommate who had different partners every night, you would've been okay with that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Scripps! Ultra-super lefty now. Gender studies everywhere.

Considering there was only 1 Gender Studies major in the recent graduating class of 205, I take it that you must not be very acquainted with your alma mater. Sad, really.

You really don't want me to post what I actually experienced there. I rue the day I matriculated there and will never give a penny. And of course I meant all the courses, listed here and the fact that gender issues permeate every single bloody class on campus. http://catalog.scrippscollege.edu/preview_program.php?catoid=15&poid=2429. What a waste of four years!

I'm sorry to hear that, but I am a bit perplexed. Wouldn't it have been easy to wander off to Pomona/CMC/Pitzer/Mudd and not have to deal with gender-related courses if they didn't appeal to you? There are 2800 courses offered across the colleges. How recent are your experiences?

The Niche surveys seem mostly positive (https://www.niche.com/colleges/scripps-college/reviews/) and the past five years average a 93% retention rate, which is pretty high (much higher than the national private college average of 66%).

My issue was what I had to deal with in dorm life. I was young. I am heterosexual. I had a lesbian roommate and had to listen to her and partners every night. College housing would not let me get a reassignment because this was the new norm and I had to learn to live with it. Yes, I did take some classes at Pomona but I still couldn't get away from the "Lesbian is always right" attitude prevalent on the campus. No matter what dorm I was assigned to it was right there in my face and I was the rude one if I complained about what I had to listen to five feet from my bed every night. So I don't give money and never go to reunions. I should have transferred the first year.

So if you had a straight roommate who had different partners every night, you would've been okay with that?

Not at all. I would have asked for a room reassignment then too. eye roll yourself. Any student in a double or triple should be allowed some semblance of privacy in order to sleep. But because lesbians and trans rule Scripps, I was the outcast and not allowed to change my housing situation. Everyone in the dorm heard about it from my rude roommate and so my life was hell. Plus the academics weren't all that good anyhow. I would never recommend Scripps to anyone unless they couldn't get into Pomona and wanted just a place - actually, no, I wouldn't even recommend Scripps just as a place to sleep because of my experience. The school was intolerant of my beliefs and need for privacy and sleep, so no I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. It was a form of harassment and it was hell. Did you attend Scripps or are you just eye-rolling and judging from afar?