DCPS made Deal take dozens of OOB, despite overcrowding

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Anonymous wrote:I still also don't get tho are they going to hold the enrollment at Deal down the slots 'saved' by moving the Eaton kids to Hardy - or are they just going to fill up to capacity and then still have those kids at Hardy, which will be filled to capacity too. Isn't that just making more room for additional OOB at Deal (but presumably lower OOB at Hardy I guess)?

Politically and socially/racially, DCPS has to maintain strong OOB levels in WOTP schools. Discussion over.

Nah, not over. And when those WOTP schools become overcrowded with IB students alone, what then?

They will almost certainly still find a way to have a significant OOB population. Wilson is by far DC's best performing high school. It will be politically untenable for it to become virtually exclusively rich and almost entirely white. It seems like some who have moved into UNW recently do not understand where the political power base in this city resides. While demographics in the city are changing, it will be a very long time before, if ever, city hall is focused on the concerns of UNW/the DCUM crowd over other segments of the city.

But what is the impact on Deal of moving Eaton - does it actually allievate any of the overcrowding?

No, but it helps Hardy by building a larger cohort of higher SES students. For what it's worth, my child is in 6th grade at Hardy this year after attending our IB feeder since PK and we are having a really good year.

But it doesn't help these kids to go from the top DC middle school to an also-ran, particularly when DCPS continues to cram OOB students into Deal. I suppose that's some downtown bureaucrat's misguided notion of "social justice."

Granting this was ridiculous. So granting that & moving on, ... Hardy is really small -- so I guess if even 30-40 of the 70+ 5th graders from Eaton go to Hardy next year, they would constitute 24-30% of Hardy's 6th grade class. Stoddert is expected to send closer to 40 next year. Combined that would make up 45-60 percent of Hardy's 6th grade. Add in 10-15 each from Mann, Key and Hyde (and Mann may have more) - you're up to 68-85%ish percent of Hardy's 6th grade... and it does start looking demographically Deal-like...

And then they will kick out Fillmore and enlarge Hardy. It will be great!

They can't "kick out" Fillmore unless they create space at longtime-overcrowded Key, Stoddert and Ross for them to house their own internal arts programs. But there's no longterm plan to create space at those schools, including Janney etc. Showing that overcrowding in Ward 3 schools has worsening carryover effects the longer solutions are neglected.

Can't dilute Hardy's "unique culture."

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Anonymous wrote:I still also don't get tho are they going to hold the enrollment at Deal down the slots 'saved' by moving the Eaton kids to Hardy - or are they just going to fill up to capacity and then still have those kids at Hardy, which will be filled to capacity too. Isn't that just making more room for additional OOB at Deal (but presumably lower OOB at Hardy I guess)?

Politically and socially/racially, DCPS has to maintain strong OOB levels in WOTP schools. Discussion over.

Nah, not over. And when those WOTP schools become overcrowded with IB students alone, what then?

They will almost certainly still find a way to have a significant OOB population. Wilson is by far DC's best performing high school. It will be politically untenable for it to become virtually exclusively rich and almost entirely white. It seems like some who have moved into UNW recently do not understand where the political power base in this city resides. While demographics in the city are changing, it will be a very long time before, if ever, city hall is focused on the concerns of UNW/the DCUM crowd over other segments of the city.

But what is the impact on Deal of moving Eaton - does it actually allievate any of the overcrowding?

No, but it helps Hardy by building a larger cohort of higher SES students. For what it's worth, my child is in 6th grade at Hardy this year after attending our IB feeder since PK and we are having a really good year.

Eaton moving to Hardy was more about politics than numbers. It was important to DCPS that every ward feel some pain of redistricting, that 'sacrifice' was perceived as being spread around, including west of Rock Creek Park. Eaton became Ward 3's sacrificial lamb even though Eaton kids had been going to Deal forever. As failed DC Council candidate Matthew Frumin, Cheh's handpicked representative on the school boundary committee, put it bluntly, Eaton was just "collateral damage." Frumin made sure that Janney's interests (his home school) were solidly protected, however.

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Anonymous wrote:I still also don't get tho are they going to hold the enrollment at Deal down the slots 'saved' by moving the Eaton kids to Hardy - or are they just going to fill up to capacity and then still have those kids at Hardy, which will be filled to capacity too. Isn't that just making more room for additional OOB at Deal (but presumably lower OOB at Hardy I guess)?

Politically and socially/racially, DCPS has to maintain strong OOB levels in WOTP schools. Discussion over.

Nah, not over. And when those WOTP schools become overcrowded with IB students alone, what then?

They will almost certainly still find a way to have a significant OOB population. Wilson is by far DC's best performing high school. It will be politically untenable for it to become virtually exclusively rich and almost entirely white. It seems like some who have moved into UNW recently do not understand where the political power base in this city resides. While demographics in the city are changing, it will be a very long time before, if ever, city hall is focused on the concerns of UNW/the DCUM crowd over other segments of the city.

But what is the impact on Deal of moving Eaton - does it actually allievate any of the overcrowding?

No, but it helps Hardy by building a larger cohort of higher SES students. For what it's worth, my child is in 6th grade at Hardy this year after attending our IB feeder since PK and we are having a really good year.

But it doesn't help these kids to go from the top DC middle school to an also-ran, particularly when DCPS continues to cram OOB students into Deal. I suppose that's some downtown bureaucrat's misguided notion of "social justice."

Granting this was ridiculous. So granting that & moving on, ... Hardy is really small -- so I guess if even 30-40 of the 70+ 5th graders from Eaton go to Hardy next year, they would constitute 24-30% of Hardy's 6th grade class. Stoddert is expected to send closer to 40 next year. Combined that would make up 45-60 percent of Hardy's 6th grade. Add in 10-15 each from Mann, Key and Hyde (and Mann may have more) - you're up to 68-85%ish percent of Hardy's 6th grade... and it does start looking demographically Deal-like...

So if the demographics catch up, will Hardy's program and faculty catch up as well? Or doesn't that matter?

The faculty is fine. They can teach your kids as well as kids from other parts of the city.

What “programming” are you seeking? Keep in mind a school of 360-400 kids can’t support the level of extracurriculars as a school of 1000+.

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Anonymous wrote:I still also don't get tho are they going to hold the enrollment at Deal down the slots 'saved' by moving the Eaton kids to Hardy - or are they just going to fill up to capacity and then still have those kids at Hardy, which will be filled to capacity too. Isn't that just making more room for additional OOB at Deal (but presumably lower OOB at Hardy I guess)?

Politically and socially/racially, DCPS has to maintain strong OOB levels in WOTP schools. Discussion over.

Nah, not over. And when those WOTP schools become overcrowded with IB students alone, what then?

They will almost certainly still find a way to have a significant OOB population. Wilson is by far DC's best performing high school. It will be politically untenable for it to become virtually exclusively rich and almost entirely white. It seems like some who have moved into UNW recently do not understand where the political power base in this city resides. While demographics in the city are changing, it will be a very long time before, if ever, city hall is focused on the concerns of UNW/the DCUM crowd over other segments of the city.

But what is the impact on Deal of moving Eaton - does it actually allievate any of the overcrowding?

No, but it helps Hardy by building a larger cohort of higher SES students. For what it's worth, my child is in 6th grade at Hardy this year after attending our IB feeder since PK and we are having a really good year.

Eaton moving to Hardy was more about politics than numbers. It was important to DCPS that every ward feel some pain of redistricting, that 'sacrifice' was perceived as being spread around, including west of Rock Creek Park. Eaton became Ward 3's sacrificial lamb even though Eaton kids had been going to Deal forever. As failed DC Council candidate Matthew Frumin, Cheh's handpicked representative on the school boundary committee, put it bluntly, Eaton was just "collateral damage." Frumin made sure that Janney's interests (his home school) were solidly protected, however.

How bitter that sounds. Eaton is closer to Hardy than to Deal. Should Janney have been moved instead??

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It would make no sense for Janney to be rezoned from Deal. PP who is mad at Frumin is nuts. I get that his word choice was unfortunate but it wasn’t about protecting Janney. Janney is closest to Deal after Murch. All the kids from the Janney and Deal neighbourhood walk to Deal. How would it make sense forcing them into Hardy. Also, there is no magic formula to Deal. Once you get enough high SES kids going to Hardy, it will be the same as Deal.

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What does the Ward3 network think about this overcrowding at Deal?

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Anonymous wrote:What does the Ward3 network think about this overcrowding at Deal?

Are you a troll? Ward 3 hates it of course.

It's going to happen anyway. When Bowser said "Alice Deal for all!" it wasn't a figure of speech. She was being literal. Open the floodgates.

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The hysteria on this thread is a bit much.

Anyone who dislikes the overcrowding in their Ward 3 / Wilson feeder school is welcome to apply to a charter or an OOB school.

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Anonymous wrote:The hysteria on this thread is a bit much.

Anyone who dislikes the overcrowding in their Ward 3 / Wilson feeder school is welcome to apply to a charter or an OOB school.

Just because someone doesn't want you ruining their punch bowl doesn't mean they want to start drinking kool aid somewhere else.

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Anonymous wrote:What does the Ward3 network think about this overcrowding at Deal?

Are you a troll? Ward 3 hates it of course.

It's going to happen anyway. When Bowser said "Alice Deal for all!" it wasn't a figure of speech. She was being literal. Open the floodgates.

Bowser is friggin' B-A-R-R-Y in a skirt.

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Anonymous wrote:The hysteria on this thread is a bit much.

Anyone who dislikes the overcrowding in their Ward 3 / Wilson feeder school is welcome to apply to a charter or an OOB school.

Just because someone doesn't want you ruining their punch bowl doesn't mean they want to start drinking kool aid somewhere else.

Sometimes, I'd like to see Trump build his wall right down the middle of Rock Creek Park!

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Anonymous wrote:It would make no sense for Janney to be rezoned from Deal. PP who is mad at Frumin is nuts. I get that his word choice was unfortunate but it wasn’t about protecting Janney. Janney is closest to Deal after Murch. All the kids from the Janney and Deal neighbourhood walk to Deal. How would it make sense forcing them into Hardy. Also, there is no magic formula to Deal. Once you get enough high SES kids going to Hardy, it will be the same as Deal.

So let's just fire most of the teachers, since it seems that they make no difference anyway. It's all in the SES. Some of the teachers are deadwood, and many don't even live in the District.

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Anonymous wrote:I still also don't get tho are they going to hold the enrollment at Deal down the slots 'saved' by moving the Eaton kids to Hardy - or are they just going to fill up to capacity and then still have those kids at Hardy, which will be filled to capacity too. Isn't that just making more room for additional OOB at Deal (but presumably lower OOB at Hardy I guess)?

Politically and socially/racially, DCPS has to maintain strong OOB levels in WOTP schools. Discussion over.

Nah, not over. And when those WOTP schools become overcrowded with IB students alone, what then?

They will almost certainly still find a way to have a significant OOB population. Wilson is by far DC's best performing high school. It will be politically untenable for it to become virtually exclusively rich and almost entirely white. It seems like some who have moved into UNW recently do not understand where the political power base in this city resides. While demographics in the city are changing, it will be a very long time before, if ever, city hall is focused on the concerns of UNW/the DCUM crowd over other segments of the city.

But what is the impact on Deal of moving Eaton - does it actually allievate any of the overcrowding?

No, but it helps Hardy by building a larger cohort of higher SES students. For what it's worth, my child is in 6th grade at Hardy this year after attending our IB feeder since PK and we are having a really good year.

But it doesn't help these kids to go from the top DC middle school to an also-ran, particularly when DCPS continues to cram OOB students into Deal. I suppose that's some downtown bureaucrat's misguided notion of "social justice."

Granting this was ridiculous. So granting that & moving on, ... Hardy is really small -- so I guess if even 30-40 of the 70+ 5th graders from Eaton go to Hardy next year, they would constitute 24-30% of Hardy's 6th grade class. Stoddert is expected to send closer to 40 next year. Combined that would make up 45-60 percent of Hardy's 6th grade. Add in 10-15 each from Mann, Key and Hyde (and Mann may have more) - you're up to 68-85%ish percent of Hardy's 6th grade... and it does start looking demographically Deal-like...

So if the demographics catch up, will Hardy's program and faculty catch up as well? Or doesn't that matter?

The faculty is fine. They can teach your kids as well as kids from other parts of the city.

What “programming” are you seeking? Keep in mind a school of 360-400 kids can’t support the level of extracurriculars as a school of 1000+.

I hope that Hardy finally fired that militant, angry teacher who was the WTU rep and opposed Michelle Rhee's plan to bring more Ward 3 kids to the school.

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Anonymous wrote:The hysteria on this thread is a bit much.

Anyone who dislikes the overcrowding in their Ward 3 / Wilson feeder school is welcome to apply to a charter or an OOB school.

Just because someone doesn't want you ruining their punch bowl doesn't mean they want to start drinking kool aid somewhere else.

Sometimes, I'd like to see Trump build his wall right down the middle of Rock Creek Park!

This post is trolling? Right? Or satire?

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Anonymous wrote:The hysteria on this thread is a bit much.

Anyone who dislikes the overcrowding in their Ward 3 / Wilson feeder school is welcome to apply to a charter or an OOB school.

Just because someone doesn't want you ruining their punch bowl doesn't mean they want to start drinking kool aid somewhere else.

Sometimes, I'd like to see Trump build his wall right down the middle of Rock Creek Park!

This post is trolling? Right? Or satire?

Must be a Lafayette parent. I heard something similar from a Lafayette parent who knew I live EotP. Not sure why discussing overcrowding gets so nasty. Despite the overcrowding kids are still doing great and are happy at Deal.