DCPS made Deal take dozens of OOB, despite overcrowding

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Anonymous wrote:Every time I think that DC has really turned the corner, the DC government does something so stupid and infuriating that it seems that the ethos of the Barry era lives on still.

The last time Barry was mayor was 1999. Please move on.

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Anonymous wrote:This didn't just happen at Deal. It happened at lots of schools that feed into Wilson. Principals were required to pull off the waitlist to boost numbers. I suspect DCPS realised that their total enrollment numbers were falling relative to last year, and despite these schools being quite overcrowded, they use what tools they had to get overall enrollment up.

You mean relative to charters?

Jesus, this is so depressing.

Bingo. Relative to charters and relative to DCPS growth in prior years.

Why? Why do they care if enrollment goes down so that it is slightly overcrowded versus really overcrowded?

They care a lot.

For starters, the city is investing billions in capital improvements for DCPS schools and yet charter enrollment is still surpassing DCPS. Apparently fancy buildings, athletic fields and programs, robust extra curriculars, free study abroad, bicyles, SEM isn't enough to keep parents from choosing the "other" sector.

Please don’t forget that charters include schools that offer only ECE and adult learners too. So while charters continue to grow, in some cases those charter enrollments aren’t necessarily audiences applicable to DCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:This is after DCPS kicked John Eaton out of the Deal feeder pattern, citing overcrowding. Eaton had fed to Deal for 80 years or so. Eaton sent fewer than 40 students a year to Deal.

Eaton kids are still going to Deal from the current 6th grade class and for next fall (this year's 5th grade) before the change over happens. The 5th grade class size at Eaton has been around 70 kids - where have the other 30 or so gone?

I thought this year's current 5th graders feed only to Hardy?

That is correct. The PP is mistaken

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Anonymous wrote:I still also don't get tho are they going to hold the enrollment at Deal down the slots 'saved' by moving the Eaton kids to Hardy - or are they just going to fill up to capacity and then still have those kids at Hardy, which will be filled to capacity too. Isn't that just making more room for additional OOB at Deal (but presumably lower OOB at Hardy I guess)?

Politically and socially/racially, DCPS has to maintain strong OOB levels in WOTP schools. Discussion over.

Nah, not over. And when those WOTP schools become overcrowded with IB students alone, what then?

They will almost certainly still find a way to have a significant OOB population. Wilson is by far DC's best performing high school. It will be politically untenable for it to become virtually exclusively rich and almost entirely white. It seems like some who have moved into UNW recently do not understand where the political power base in this city resides. While demographics in the city are changing, it will be a very long time before, if ever, city hall is focused on the concerns of UNW/the DCUM crowd over other segments of the city.

But what is the impact on Deal of moving Eaton - does it actually allievate any of the overcrowding?

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Anonymous wrote:I still also don't get tho are they going to hold the enrollment at Deal down the slots 'saved' by moving the Eaton kids to Hardy - or are they just going to fill up to capacity and then still have those kids at Hardy, which will be filled to capacity too. Isn't that just making more room for additional OOB at Deal (but presumably lower OOB at Hardy I guess)?

Politically and socially/racially, DCPS has to maintain strong OOB levels in WOTP schools. Discussion over.

Nah, not over. And when those WOTP schools become overcrowded with IB students alone, what then?

They will almost certainly still find a way to have a significant OOB population. Wilson is by far DC's best performing high school. It will be politically untenable for it to become virtually exclusively rich and almost entirely white. It seems like some who have moved into UNW recently do not understand where the political power base in this city resides. While demographics in the city are changing, it will be a very long time before, if ever, city hall is focused on the concerns of UNW/the DCUM crowd over other segments of the city.

But what is the impact on Deal of moving Eaton - does it actually allievate any of the overcrowding?

No, but it helps Hardy by building a larger cohort of higher SES students. For what it's worth, my child is in 6th grade at Hardy this year after attending our IB feeder since PK and we are having a really good year.

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Anonymous wrote:It is unfortunate that they do not do count day 2 times a year to evaluate # of students enrolled in DCPS vs charter

I was in the office at Deal last week and they were enrolling a student transferring from a charter. It sounded as if she was not the only student recently enrolling based on the conversation.

They do track movement and know the mid and end of year counts.

And now MSDC is coordinating mid-year enrollments for both DCPS and charters. Even if you are enrolling mid-year in your IB DCPS school (whether you are coming from a charter or private or just moved to the city) you need to first inform MSDC and they are trying to get a reason from the parent. The goal is to better understand and track mid-year movement.

And the charters are paid quarterly, and amounts are adjusted for students who leave. That student's allocation doesn't actually follow the student all the way to the individual DCPS, but rather to downtown.

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Anonymous wrote:Every time I think that DC has really turned the corner, the DC government does something so stupid and infuriating that it seems that the ethos of the Barry era lives on still.

The last time Barry was mayor was 1999. Please move on.

DC continued to suffer with Barry's clown show on the Council until he finally became the Mayor-for-Eternal Life. But on ethics and cronyism, the Bowser administration unfortunately seems like 'back to the future.'

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Anonymous wrote:I still also don't get tho are they going to hold the enrollment at Deal down the slots 'saved' by moving the Eaton kids to Hardy - or are they just going to fill up to capacity and then still have those kids at Hardy, which will be filled to capacity too. Isn't that just making more room for additional OOB at Deal (but presumably lower OOB at Hardy I guess)?

Politically and socially/racially, DCPS has to maintain strong OOB levels in WOTP schools. Discussion over.

Nah, not over. And when those WOTP schools become overcrowded with IB students alone, what then?

They will almost certainly still find a way to have a significant OOB population. Wilson is by far DC's best performing high school. It will be politically untenable for it to become virtually exclusively rich and almost entirely white. It seems like some who have moved into UNW recently do not understand where the political power base in this city resides. While demographics in the city are changing, it will be a very long time before, if ever, city hall is focused on the concerns of UNW/the DCUM crowd over other segments of the city.

But what is the impact on Deal of moving Eaton - does it actually allievate any of the overcrowding?

No, but it helps Hardy by building a larger cohort of higher SES students. For what it's worth, my child is in 6th grade at Hardy this year after attending our IB feeder since PK and we are having a really good year.

But it doesn't help these kids to go from the top DC middle school to an also-ran, particularly when DCPS continues to cram OOB students into Deal. I suppose that's some downtown bureaucrat's misguided notion of "social justice."

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Anonymous wrote:I still also don't get tho are they going to hold the enrollment at Deal down the slots 'saved' by moving the Eaton kids to Hardy - or are they just going to fill up to capacity and then still have those kids at Hardy, which will be filled to capacity too. Isn't that just making more room for additional OOB at Deal (but presumably lower OOB at Hardy I guess)?

Politically and socially/racially, DCPS has to maintain strong OOB levels in WOTP schools. Discussion over.

Nah, not over. And when those WOTP schools become overcrowded with IB students alone, what then?

They will almost certainly still find a way to have a significant OOB population. Wilson is by far DC's best performing high school. It will be politically untenable for it to become virtually exclusively rich and almost entirely white. It seems like some who have moved into UNW recently do not understand where the political power base in this city resides. While demographics in the city are changing, it will be a very long time before, if ever, city hall is focused on the concerns of UNW/the DCUM crowd over other segments of the city.

But what is the impact on Deal of moving Eaton - does it actually allievate any of the overcrowding?

No, but it helps Hardy by building a larger cohort of higher SES students. For what it's worth, my child is in 6th grade at Hardy this year after attending our IB feeder since PK and we are having a really good year.

But it doesn't help these kids to go from the top DC middle school to an also-ran, particularly when DCPS continues to cram OOB students into Deal. I suppose that's some downtown bureaucrat's misguided notion of "social justice."

Granting this was ridiculous. So granting that & moving on, ... Hardy is really small -- so I guess if even 30-40 of the 70+ 5th graders from Eaton go to Hardy next year, they would constitute 24-30% of Hardy's 6th grade class. Stoddert is expected to send closer to 40 next year. Combined that would make up 45-60 percent of Hardy's 6th grade. Add in 10-15 each from Mann, Key and Hyde (and Mann may have more) - you're up to 68-85%ish percent of Hardy's 6th grade... and it does start looking demographically Deal-like...

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Anonymous wrote:I still also don't get tho are they going to hold the enrollment at Deal down the slots 'saved' by moving the Eaton kids to Hardy - or are they just going to fill up to capacity and then still have those kids at Hardy, which will be filled to capacity too. Isn't that just making more room for additional OOB at Deal (but presumably lower OOB at Hardy I guess)?

Politically and socially/racially, DCPS has to maintain strong OOB levels in WOTP schools. Discussion over.

Nah, not over. And when those WOTP schools become overcrowded with IB students alone, what then?

They will almost certainly still find a way to have a significant OOB population. Wilson is by far DC's best performing high school. It will be politically untenable for it to become virtually exclusively rich and almost entirely white. It seems like some who have moved into UNW recently do not understand where the political power base in this city resides. While demographics in the city are changing, it will be a very long time before, if ever, city hall is focused on the concerns of UNW/the DCUM crowd over other segments of the city.

But what is the impact on Deal of moving Eaton - does it actually allievate any of the overcrowding?

No, but it helps Hardy by building a larger cohort of higher SES students. For what it's worth, my child is in 6th grade at Hardy this year after attending our IB feeder since PK and we are having a really good year.

But it doesn't help these kids to go from the top DC middle school to an also-ran, particularly when DCPS continues to cram OOB students into Deal. I suppose that's some downtown bureaucrat's misguided notion of "social justice."

Granting this was ridiculous. So granting that & moving on, ... Hardy is really small -- so I guess if even 30-40 of the 70+ 5th graders from Eaton go to Hardy next year, they would constitute 24-30% of Hardy's 6th grade class. Stoddert is expected to send closer to 40 next year. Combined that would make up 45-60 percent of Hardy's 6th grade. Add in 10-15 each from Mann, Key and Hyde (and Mann may have more) - you're up to 68-85%ish percent of Hardy's 6th grade... and it does start looking demographically Deal-like...

And then they will kick out Fillmore and enlarge Hardy. It will be great!

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Anonymous wrote:I still also don't get tho are they going to hold the enrollment at Deal down the slots 'saved' by moving the Eaton kids to Hardy - or are they just going to fill up to capacity and then still have those kids at Hardy, which will be filled to capacity too. Isn't that just making more room for additional OOB at Deal (but presumably lower OOB at Hardy I guess)?

Politically and socially/racially, DCPS has to maintain strong OOB levels in WOTP schools. Discussion over.

Nah, not over. And when those WOTP schools become overcrowded with IB students alone, what then?

They will almost certainly still find a way to have a significant OOB population. Wilson is by far DC's best performing high school. It will be politically untenable for it to become virtually exclusively rich and almost entirely white. It seems like some who have moved into UNW recently do not understand where the political power base in this city resides. While demographics in the city are changing, it will be a very long time before, if ever, city hall is focused on the concerns of UNW/the DCUM crowd over other segments of the city.

But what is the impact on Deal of moving Eaton - does it actually allievate any of the overcrowding?

No, but it helps Hardy by building a larger cohort of higher SES students. For what it's worth, my child is in 6th grade at Hardy this year after attending our IB feeder since PK and we are having a really good year.

But it doesn't help these kids to go from the top DC middle school to an also-ran, particularly when DCPS continues to cram OOB students into Deal. I suppose that's some downtown bureaucrat's misguided notion of "social justice."

Granting this was ridiculous. So granting that & moving on, ... Hardy is really small -- so I guess if even 30-40 of the 70+ 5th graders from Eaton go to Hardy next year, they would constitute 24-30% of Hardy's 6th grade class. Stoddert is expected to send closer to 40 next year. Combined that would make up 45-60 percent of Hardy's 6th grade. Add in 10-15 each from Mann, Key and Hyde (and Mann may have more) - you're up to 68-85%ish percent of Hardy's 6th grade... and it does start looking demographically Deal-like...

And then they will kick out Fillmore and enlarge Hardy. It will be great!

They can't "kick out" Fillmore unless they create space at longtime-overcrowded Key, Stoddert and Ross for them to house their own internal arts programs. But there's no longterm plan to create space at those schools, including Janney etc. Showing that overcrowding in Ward 3 schools has worsening carryover effects the longer solutions are neglected.

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Anonymous wrote:I still also don't get tho are they going to hold the enrollment at Deal down the slots 'saved' by moving the Eaton kids to Hardy - or are they just going to fill up to capacity and then still have those kids at Hardy, which will be filled to capacity too. Isn't that just making more room for additional OOB at Deal (but presumably lower OOB at Hardy I guess)?

Politically and socially/racially, DCPS has to maintain strong OOB levels in WOTP schools. Discussion over.

Nah, not over. And when those WOTP schools become overcrowded with IB students alone, what then?

They will almost certainly still find a way to have a significant OOB population. Wilson is by far DC's best performing high school. It will be politically untenable for it to become virtually exclusively rich and almost entirely white. It seems like some who have moved into UNW recently do not understand where the political power base in this city resides. While demographics in the city are changing, it will be a very long time before, if ever, city hall is focused on the concerns of UNW/the DCUM crowd over other segments of the city.

But what is the impact on Deal of moving Eaton - does it actually allievate any of the overcrowding?

No, but it helps Hardy by building a larger cohort of higher SES students. For what it's worth, my child is in 6th grade at Hardy this year after attending our IB feeder since PK and we are having a really good year.

This is great to hear. We just bought two blocks away from Hardy in Burleith and plan on starting a family soon. Sounds like Hardy will be a very viable option in about 7 years' time for us.

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Anonymous wrote:This didn't just happen at Deal. It happened at lots of schools that feed into Wilson. Principals were required to pull off the waitlist to boost numbers. I suspect DCPS realised that their total enrollment numbers were falling relative to last year, and despite these schools being quite overcrowded, they use what tools they had to get overall enrollment up.

You mean relative to charters?

Jesus, this is so depressing.

Bingo. Relative to charters and relative to DCPS growth in prior years.

Why? Why do they care if enrollment goes down so that it is slightly overcrowded versus really overcrowded?

They care a lot.

For starters, the city is investing billions in capital improvements for DCPS schools and yet charter enrollment is still surpassing DCPS. Apparently fancy buildings, athletic fields and programs, robust extra curriculars, free study abroad, bicyles, SEM isn't enough to keep parents from choosing the "other" sector.

Also because the way it's set up, Charters and DCPS are pitted against each other for funding dollars. So, so, so stupid.

Oh geez, seriously??? This is not at all sustainable. They can't be poised to compete with each other for students forever! This does not bode well.

DCPS has empirically and formally conceded that the charters do a better job of educating at the MS level. The problem is that having lost the students at MS, trying to win them back for HS.

The taxpayers get to lose this stupid war.

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Anonymous wrote:I still also don't get tho are they going to hold the enrollment at Deal down the slots 'saved' by moving the Eaton kids to Hardy - or are they just going to fill up to capacity and then still have those kids at Hardy, which will be filled to capacity too. Isn't that just making more room for additional OOB at Deal (but presumably lower OOB at Hardy I guess)?

Politically and socially/racially, DCPS has to maintain strong OOB levels in WOTP schools. Discussion over.

Nah, not over. And when those WOTP schools become overcrowded with IB students alone, what then?

They will almost certainly still find a way to have a significant OOB population. Wilson is by far DC's best performing high school. It will be politically untenable for it to become virtually exclusively rich and almost entirely white. It seems like some who have moved into UNW recently do not understand where the political power base in this city resides. While demographics in the city are changing, it will be a very long time before, if ever, city hall is focused on the concerns of UNW/the DCUM crowd over other segments of the city.

But what is the impact on Deal of moving Eaton - does it actually allievate any of the overcrowding?

No, but it helps Hardy by building a larger cohort of higher SES students. For what it's worth, my child is in 6th grade at Hardy this year after attending our IB feeder since PK and we are having a really good year.

But it doesn't help these kids to go from the top DC middle school to an also-ran, particularly when DCPS continues to cram OOB students into Deal. I suppose that's some downtown bureaucrat's misguided notion of "social justice."

Granting this was ridiculous. So granting that & moving on, ... Hardy is really small -- so I guess if even 30-40 of the 70+ 5th graders from Eaton go to Hardy next year, they would constitute 24-30% of Hardy's 6th grade class. Stoddert is expected to send closer to 40 next year. Combined that would make up 45-60 percent of Hardy's 6th grade. Add in 10-15 each from Mann, Key and Hyde (and Mann may have more) - you're up to 68-85%ish percent of Hardy's 6th grade... and it does start looking demographically Deal-like...

So if the demographics catch up, will Hardy's program and faculty catch up as well? Or doesn't that matter?

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Anonymous wrote:Every time I think that DC has really turned the corner, the DC government does something so stupid and infuriating that it seems that the ethos of the Barry era lives on still.

The last time Barry was mayor was 1999. Please move on.

Unfortunately as long as his Dem machine lives on? The rest of us can't move on.

(Obviously. Or else Catania would have won against Bowwow. The machine beats actual competence every time - that's the Barry legacy.)