Church shootings /nervous in church

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Anonymous wrote:This is a fear that Muslims and Jews have had over their places of worship, for a long time. Many mosques and synagogues are no stranger to vandalism, or destruction of their houses of worship, and many, many threats.

I am not "happy" about any senseless violence, but it is interesting to hear Christians (particularly white Christians) talk about a feeling of fear - that is unfortunately so common and has been long standing for other groups in their houses of solace.


“It is interesting”? What on earth do you mean by that?


I mean just that. Minorities have felt this fear in their places of worship for a long time, and had a heightened sense of awareness of their vulnerable position -- even in "safe" places - that it's odd to be reminded that this fear is new and unusual for others.


Translation: we’ve had it rough so it’s funny that now you are too.

What is wrong with you?

DP.. "it's funny" in a sad way. The double standard continues... that's all. But it is true. Minorities in this country have been experiencing this kind of thing for decades.


26 people have been killed.

You: "I hate Christians so much that I will immediately go onto DCUM to gloat about some Christians feeling scared."

What's wrong with you?


What's wrong with you that you can't see the irony? Seriously lady, your outrage is misplaced.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:This is a fear that Muslims and Jews have had over their places of worship, for a long time. Many mosques and synagogues are no stranger to vandalism, or destruction of their houses of worship, and many, many threats.

I am not "happy" about any senseless violence, but it is interesting to hear Christians (particularly white Christians) talk about a feeling of fear - that is unfortunately so common and has been long standing for other groups in their houses of solace.


“It is interesting”? What on earth do you mean by that?


I mean just that. Minorities have felt this fear in their places of worship for a long time, and had a heightened sense of awareness of their vulnerable position -- even in "safe" places - that it's odd to be reminded that this fear is new and unusual for others.


Translation: we’ve had it rough so it’s funny that now you are too.

What is wrong with you?

DP.. "it's funny" in a sad way. The double standard continues... that's all. But it is true. Minorities in this country have been experiencing this kind of thing for decades.


I would never dispute that minorities have experienced violence for hundreds of years (why do you say just decades?).

However, to wish evil and death on another group, out of revenge or smugness or whatever is motivating you, is terrible. It reminds me of all the "Kentucky Fried Americans" jokes in the Guardian (an otherwise excellent news source) following 9-11. It's the same "you deserve what you get" mentality that continues to tear this country apart. It would be great if people like you could rise above the Trump mentality of "I hate liberal elites" and "I hate Christians" and "I hate anybody who benefits from affirmative action"--it's all the same bitter, blind hatred of people who are different from you.


Where on earth is any pp wishing evil or death on another group? Or saying they hate Christians? Can you please point this out?
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Or alternatively more people will be killed when wannabe heroes start firing and people are panicking and running all over - most [b]people who open or conceal carry have no training in shooting under pressure.

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Not if they have gone to a good instructor or the NRA range
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And guess what, the hero, Willeford is a member of the NRA and WAS an NRA instructor, which proved my point.


26 people died.

Yay NRA? Are we supposed to be thankful that the gun lobby that put guns in this psycho's hands just took out 26 people and didn't go on to kill more than that?
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:This is a fear that Muslims and Jews have had over their places of worship, for a long time. Many mosques and synagogues are no stranger to vandalism, or destruction of their houses of worship, and many, many threats.

I am not "happy" about any senseless violence, but it is interesting to hear Christians (particularly white Christians) talk about a feeling of fear - that is unfortunately so common and has been long standing for other groups in their houses of solace.


“It is interesting”? What on earth do you mean by that?


I mean just that. Minorities have felt this fear in their places of worship for a long time, and had a heightened sense of awareness of their vulnerable position -- even in "safe" places - that it's odd to be reminded that this fear is new and unusual for others.


Translation: we’ve had it rough so it’s funny that now you are too.

What is wrong with you?

DP.. "it's funny" in a sad way. The double standard continues... that's all. But it is true. Minorities in this country have been experiencing this kind of thing for decades.


26 people have been killed.

You: "I hate Christians so much that I will immediately go onto DCUM to gloat about some Christians feeling scared."

What's wrong with you?


What's wrong with you that you can't see the irony? Seriously lady, your outrage is misplaced.


Irony? Where? PP is smirking and gloating.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is a fear that Muslims and Jews have had over their places of worship, for a long time. Many mosques and synagogues are no stranger to vandalism, or destruction of their houses of worship, and many, many threats.

I am not "happy" about any senseless violence, but it is interesting to hear Christians (particularly white Christians) talk about a feeling of fear - that is unfortunately so common and has been long standing for other groups in their houses of solace.


“It is interesting”? What on earth do you mean by that?


I mean just that. Minorities have felt this fear in their places of worship for a long time, and had a heightened sense of awareness of their vulnerable position -- even in "safe" places - that it's odd to be reminded that this fear is new and unusual for others.


Translation: we’ve had it rough so it’s funny that now you are too.

What is wrong with you?

DP.. "it's funny" in a sad way. The double standard continues... that's all. But it is true. Minorities in this country have been experiencing this kind of thing for decades.


26 people have been killed.

You: "I hate Christians so much that I will immediately go onto DCUM to gloat about some Christians feeling scared."

What's wrong with you?


What's wrong with you that you can't see the irony? Seriously lady, your outrage is misplaced.


Irony? Where? PP is smirking and gloating.


Absolutely no one has said such a thing. Don't be dramatic. You're angry and fearful, and that's fair, but blame the white male perpetrator - it's absolutely no one else's fault for pointing out the pervasiveness of this fear that other communities have felt. Place your blame appropriately to the guy responsible for instilling your fear.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is a fear that Muslims and Jews have had over their places of worship, for a long time. Many mosques and synagogues are no stranger to vandalism, or destruction of their houses of worship, and many, many threats.

I am not "happy" about any senseless violence, but it is interesting to hear Christians (particularly white Christians) talk about a feeling of fear - that is unfortunately so common and has been long standing for other groups in their houses of solace.


“It is interesting”? What on earth do you mean by that?


I mean just that. Minorities have felt this fear in their places of worship for a long time, and had a heightened sense of awareness of their vulnerable position -- even in "safe" places - that it's odd to be reminded that this fear is new and unusual for others.


Translation: we’ve had it rough so it’s funny that now you are too.

What is wrong with you?

DP.. "it's funny" in a sad way. The double standard continues... that's all. But it is true. Minorities in this country have been experiencing this kind of thing for decades.


26 people have been killed.

You: "I hate Christians so much that I will immediately go onto DCUM to gloat about some Christians feeling scared."

What's wrong with you?


What's wrong with you that you can't see the irony? Seriously lady, your outrage is misplaced.


Irony? Where? PP is smirking and gloating.


Absolutely no one has said such a thing. Don't be dramatic. You're angry and fearful, and that's fair, but blame the white male perpetrator - it's absolutely no one else's fault for pointing out the pervasiveness of this fear that other communities have felt. Place your blame appropriately to the guy responsible for instilling your fear.


Not sure who you think you’re talking talking to.

Nevertheless, everybody here, even the gun nut, blames the white shooter. I and others just think it’s inappropriate (sick, even) for some random pp to be gloating that finally another group besides them is getting it in the neck.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is a fear that Muslims and Jews have had over their places of worship, for a long time. Many mosques and synagogues are no stranger to vandalism, or destruction of their houses of worship, and many, many threats.

I am not "happy" about any senseless violence, but it is interesting to hear Christians (particularly white Christians) talk about a feeling of fear - that is unfortunately so common and has been long standing for other groups in their houses of solace.


“It is interesting”? What on earth do you mean by that?


I mean just that. Minorities have felt this fear in their places of worship for a long time, and had a heightened sense of awareness of their vulnerable position -- even in "safe" places - that it's odd to be reminded that this fear is new and unusual for others.


Translation: we’ve had it rough so it’s funny that now you are too.

What is wrong with you?

DP.. "it's funny" in a sad way. The double standard continues... that's all. But it is true. Minorities in this country have been experiencing this kind of thing for decades.


26 people have been killed.

You: "I hate Christians so much that I will immediately go onto DCUM to gloat about some Christians feeling scared."

What's wrong with you?


What's wrong with you that you can't see the irony? Seriously lady, your outrage is misplaced.


Irony? Where? PP is smirking and gloating.


Absolutely no one has said such a thing. Don't be dramatic. You're angry and fearful, and that's fair, but blame the white male perpetrator - it's absolutely no one else's fault for pointing out the pervasiveness of this fear that other communities have felt. Place your blame appropriately to the guy responsible for instilling your fear.


Not sure who you think you’re talking talking to.

Nevertheless, everybody here, even the gun nut, blames the white shooter. I and others just think it’s inappropriate (sick, even) for some random pp to be gloating that finally another group besides them is getting it in the neck.


PP again. Thinking about this, I should correct my passing reference to the gun nut. He (and Trump) take a passive view of these mass killings: nobody is at fault, some people will kill, and it’s not their fault because they’re mentally ill, and it’s not a fault in our gun access policies, and the only culpability is for Muslims.

26 people died in Texas, 56 in Vegas...we’ll what can we do? Let’s not mention tightening up access to guns, or the hypocrisy in banning all Muslims just because a few terrorists have easy access to guns in the US.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:most churches have a police security


Really? I've never been to a church that had police security. In 30 years of police reporting I can only remember one former attack on a church. A non armed member of the congregation gave his own life to take the shooter down physically. I'd say this is the most likely scenario.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:most churches have a police security


Really? I've never been to a church that had police security. In 30 years of police reporting I can only remember one former attack on a church. A non armed member of the congregation gave his own life to take the shooter down physically. I'd say this is the most likely scenario.


You must have only covered non-black churches:

More than 30 black churches were burned in an 18-month period in 1995 and 1996, leading Congress to pass the Church Arson Prevention Act.[6]

1993 April 5 Rocky Point Missionary Baptist Church in Pike County, Mississippi, was set on fire by three teenagers who served time.[7]
1995 January 13 Johnson Grove Baptist Church in Bells, Tennessee, was burned.
1995 January 13 Macedonia Baptist Church in Denmark, Tennessee, was burned.
1995 January 31 Mount Calvary Baptist Church in Hardeman County, Tennessee, was burned.
1995 June 21 Outside of Manning, South Carolina, four men affiliated with the Ku Klux Klan worked together to burn down Macedonia Baptist Church and Mt. Zion African Methodist Episcopal Church of Greeleyville, both majority black churches. Arrests were made. In 1998, Grand Dragon Horace King and four other Ku Klux Klansmen were forced to pay $37.8 million for their roles in a conspiracy to burn Macedonia Baptist Church.[8][9]
1995 August 15 St. John Baptist Church in Lexington County, South Carolina, was burned and an arrest was made.
1995 October 31 Mount Pisgah Baptist Church of Raeford, North Carolina, was burned.
1995 December 22 Mount Zion Baptist Church of Boligee, Alabama, was burned.
1995 December 30 Salem Baptist Church in Gibson County, Tennessee, was burned.
1996 January 6 Ohovah African Methodist Episcopal Church of Orrum, North Carolina, was burned and an arrest was made.
1996 January 8 Inner City Church of Knoxville, Tennessee, was burned.
1996 January 11 Little Zion Baptist Church and Mount Zoar Baptist Church of Green County, Alabama, were both burned on the same day.
1996 February 1 Cypress Grove Baptist Church, St. Paul's Free Baptist Church, and Thomas Chapel Benevolent Society of East Baton Rouge, Louisiana, were all burned on the same day.
1996 February 1 Sweet Home Baptist Church in Baker, Louisiana, was burned.
1996 February 21 Glorious Church of God in Christ of Richmond, Virginia, was burned.
1996 February 28 New Liberty Baptist Church in Tyler, Alabama, was burned and an arrest was made.
1996 March 5 St. Paul African Methodist Episcopal Church in Hatley, Mississippi, was burned.
1996 March 20 New Mount Zion Baptist Church in Ruleville, Mississippi, was burned.
1996 March 27 Gay's Hill Baptist Church of Millen, Georgia, was burned.
1996 March 30 El Bethel Missionary Baptist Church of Satartia, Mississippi, was burned and an arrest was made.
1996 March 31 Butler Chapel African Methodist Episcopal Church of Orangeburg, South Carolina, was burned.[10]
1996 April 11 St. Charles Baptist Church in Paincourtville, Louisiana, was burned.
1996 April 13 Rosemary Baptist Church in Barnwell, South Carolina, was burned.
1996 April 26 Effingham Baptist Church in Effingham, South Carolina, was burned.
1996 May 14 Mount Pleasant Baptist Church in Tigrett, Tennessee, was burned.
1996 May 23 Mount Tabor Baptist Church in Cerro Gordo, North Carolina, was burned.
1996 May 24 Pleasant Hill Baptist Church in Lumberton, North Carolina, was burned.
1996 June 3 Rising Star Baptist Church in Greensboro, Alabama, was burned.
1996 June 7 Matthews Murkland Presbyterian Church sanctuary in Charlotte, North Carolina, was burned and an arrest was made.
1996 June 9 New Light House of Prayer and The Church of the Living God, both of Greenville, Texas, were burned on the same day.
1996 June 12 Evangelist Temple on Marianna, Florida, was burned.
1996 June 13 First Missionary Baptist Church of Enid, Oklahoma, was burned and an arrest wamade.
1996 June 17 Hills Chapel Baptist Church, Rocky Point, North Carolina, is burned.
1996 June 17 Mount Pleasant Missionary Baptist Church and Central Grove Missionary Baptist Church, both of Kossuth, Mississippi, were burned on the same day.
1996 June 20 Immanuel Christian Fellowship of Portland, Oregon, was burned.
1996 June 24 New Birth Temple Church of Shreveport, Louisiana, was burned.
21st century[edit]
2001-2010[edit]
2006 July 11 A cross was burned outside a predominantly black church in Richmond, Virginia[11]
2008 November 5 Macedonia Church of God in Christ, in Springfield, Massachusetts, was burned out and an arrest was made.[12]
2010 December 28 In Crane, Texas, the Faith in Christ Church was vandalized with "racist and threatening graffiti" and then firebombed by a man who was attempting to gain entry into the Aryan Brotherhood of Texas; an arrest was made and the perpetrator was found guilty and sentenced to 37 years in prison.[13]
2011-present[edit]
2014 November 24 Flood Christian Church in Ferguson, Missouri, was burned by arsonists during a series of protests over the police shooting of Michael Brown, Jr. Flood Christian is where Michael Brown Sr. was baptized. Some attributed the attack to the protests which burned several other buildings that night, while others said that the building was far from where protests took place and was more likely burned in retaliation for the comments its pastor had made regarding the release of the officer who had shot Michael Brown Jr.[14]
2015 June 17 At Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, South Carolina, nine African Americans were shot and killed and a tenth was shot and survived in a mass attack by a white assailant. An arrest was made.
2015 June 22 At College Hill Seventh Day Adventist, in Knoxville, Tennessee, a small fire was set, resulting in minimal damage to the church structure and destruction of the church van. The act was not classified as a hate crime.[15]
2015 June 23 God's Power Church of Christ in Macon, Georgia, was gutted by a fire which was ruled arson.[16][17]
2015 June 24 At Briar Creek Baptist Church in Charlotte, North Carolina, an unknown arsonist started a three-alarm fire, causing more than $250,000 in damages.[18]
2016 November 1 The 111-year-old Hopewell Missionary Baptist Church in Greenville, Mississippi, was burned and vandalized with the words "Vote Trump" spray-painted onto the building. Officials said during a press conference held on Wednesday, November 2, that the incident was being investigated as a hate crime and Greenville Police Chief Freddie Cannon called the incident "a form of voting intimidation".[19] The arsonist has been identified as a black man who is a member of the church.[20]
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:most churches have a police security


Really? I've never been to a church that had police security. In 30 years of police reporting I can only remember one former attack on a church. A non armed member of the congregation gave his own life to take the shooter down physically. I'd say this is the most likely scenario.


+1, I’m not aware of any church with security.

But you should add the racist white kid who shot up the black church a year or so ago. PP’s list of church burnings is horrendous and clear evidence of racism. It’s not, however, a shooting during a worship service that might lead to a police presence during worship, which is the topic being discussed here (but hey, she took the opportunity to imply you’re a racist anyway for only looking at white church shootings).
Anonymous
The preacher carries along with several other men. One is a sheriff. If a shooter enters the church they will be met with return fire post haste.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:The preacher carries along with several other men. One is a sheriff. If a shooter enters the church they will be met with return fire post haste.


Unless they shoot the preacher first, as they did in Texas
Anonymous
Yeah, you got to be careful of Muslims, Christians and White people.

Sometime you gotta be careful of immigrants, blacks, latinos too.

Watch out for rich people too. And the cops too.

Dangerous times.
Anonymous
To the poster(s?) claiming that somebody is gloating that Christians are now fearful...where on earth are you getting it in this thread? You are massively projecting.

Somebody said that it is a shame that our places of worship now have to have armed security. I totally agree. And the truth is that many places of worship in this country and around the world have had armed security for many years. Both of the synagogues that I’ve attended in the past 10 years have armed guards. I dropped my children at daycare at my synagogue and had to walk by armed security to do so. I couldn’t quite believe that was what I was doing, but there it is. It really has been a fact of life for some of us for quite some time now.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:To the poster(s?) claiming that somebody is gloating that Christians are now fearful...where on earth are you getting it in this thread? You are massively projecting.

Somebody said that it is a shame that our places of worship now have to have armed security. I totally agree. And the truth is that many places of worship in this country and around the world have had armed security for many years. Both of the synagogues that I’ve attended in the past 10 years have armed guards. I dropped my children at daycare at my synagogue and had to walk by armed security to do so. I couldn’t quite believe that was what I was doing, but there it is. It really has been a fact of life for some of us for quite some time now.


You’re right. It’s all about you. Shocking that anybody would suggest otherwise.
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