Church shootings /nervous in church

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Anonymous wrote:I am very sorry that this happened and my heart is broken for those families that lost loved ones but if I hear one person use this tragedy as evidence that Christians are sooo persecuted in America I am going to lose my mind.

Way to make this about you and your animosity towards Christians. SMH.

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Anonymous wrote:When my ILs church in Florida supposedly received threats they responded by encouraging the congregants to bring their weapons to mass. I'm not kidding. God bless America I guess. SMFH.

An armed private citizen shot the murderer in Texas yesterday, apparently chasing him out of the church where he then took off and then killed himself. Obviously the level of devastation was still unthinkable, but there's nothing wrong with people who have CHLs carrying.

DP-This one time. In all of the mass shootings over the years, this was the first time anyone with a gun, a shotgun in this case (outside the church), actually was able to get off a shot.

Yes, this justifies having everyone carry guns. God Bless America, indeed. I doubt the big imaginary man in the sky would bless any of this.

+1, except for where PP called the guy in the sky “imaginary.”

Plus this shooter killed 26 people before a gun-toting “hero” (across the street) took him out. How is this a “win” for encouraging everybody to carry guns? As opposed to a simple and expedient policy of preventing a wife-beating shooter from getting a gun in the first place.

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I'm a Minister. We have a security team in our church. Most members of the team are law enforcement or military. Two are always stationed in the parking lot. Two walk around inside the building. Two are in the sanctuary. They alternate Sundays and remain on duty the entire Sunday morning. Our ushers and greeters are trained to immediately report anything suspicious to security. I do not mess around when it comes to security. All churches need a security plan.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Minister. We have a security team in our church. Most members of the team are law enforcement or military. Two are always stationed in the parking lot. Two walk around inside the building. Two are in the sanctuary. They alternate Sundays and remain on duty the entire Sunday morning. Our ushers and greeters are trained to immediately report anything suspicious to security. I do not mess around when it comes to security. All churches need a security plan.

Forgot to add - They are armed.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Minister. We have a security team in our church. Most members of the team are law enforcement or military. Two are always stationed in the parking lot. Two walk around inside the building. Two are in the sanctuary. They alternate Sundays and remain on duty the entire Sunday morning. Our ushers and greeters are trained to immediately report anything suspicious to security. I do not mess around when it comes to security. All churches need a security plan.

Forgot to add - They are armed.

What denomination is this? Is it a large church or even a megachurch? I can’t imagine this happening at our church

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I do feel the same way. I was sitting in church the other day thinking I should not sit near the entrance. Sad that we now feel unsafe in churches, and fear school shootings. This is not making America great again, that's for sure.

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Anonymous wrote:What state are you in? If you live in an open carry state like Texas or Virginia, there is a good chance that someone might save you if they are packing. The neighbor in Texas saved a lot of people and is a hero (even CNN calls him that). You can't tell but my husband always packs wherever he goes in Virginia - even in church. Can't do that in Maryland because there's no reciprocity. Can't do it in DC because laws are so stringent (but changing).

Or a good chance that someone decides to go "postal" while sitting in church.

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Anonymous wrote:Or alternatively more people will be killed when wannabe heroes start firing and people are panicking and running all over - most people who open or conceal carry have no training in shooting under pressure.

Not if they have gone to a good instructor or the NRA range.

The thing is, when you buy a gun, training is not required. Yes, we do need more stringent regulations so that all gun buyers get proper training and licenses.

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Anonymous wrote:What state are you in? If you live in an open carry state like Texas or Virginia, there is a good chance that someone might save you if they are packing. The neighbor in Texas saved a lot of people and is a hero (even CNN calls him that). You can't tell but my husband always packs wherever he goes in Virginia - even in church. Can't do that in Maryland because there's no reciprocity. Can't do it in DC because laws are so stringent (but changing).

Or we could stop mentally ill people, or people with a history of domestic or other violence (like this guy) from getting guns in the first place. But the NRA and their lapdogs in Congress would never permit even that type of screening.

Oh, but another posted stated that you shouldn't be able to prevent a "good guy" from buying a gun if there are no convictions.. like that shooter.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a fear that Muslims and Jews have had over their places of worship, for a long time. Many mosques and synagogues are no stranger to vandalism, or destruction of their houses of worship, and many, many threats.

I am not "happy" about any senseless violence, but it is interesting to hear Christians (particularly white Christians) talk about a feeling of fear - that is unfortunately so common and has been long standing for other groups in their houses of solace.

“It is interesting”? What on earth do you mean by that?

I mean just that. Minorities have felt this fear in their places of worship for a long time, and had a heightened sense of awareness of their vulnerable position -- even in "safe" places - that it's odd to be reminded that this fear is new and unusual for others.

Translation: we’ve had it rough so it’s funny that now you are too.

What is wrong with you?

DP.. "it's funny" in a sad way. The double standard continues... that's all. But it is true. Minorities in this country have been experiencing this kind of thing for decades.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Minister. We have a security team in our church. Most members of the team are law enforcement or military. Two are always stationed in the parking lot. Two walk around inside the building. Two are in the sanctuary. They alternate Sundays and remain on duty the entire Sunday morning. Our ushers and greeters are trained to immediately report anything suspicious to security. I do not mess around when it comes to security. All churches need a security plan.

Forgot to add - They are armed.

It's a sad day in America when we have to have armed guards in our places of worship. This is what lawless countries are like.

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Anonymous wrote:What state are you in? If you live in an open carry state like Texas or Virginia, there is a good chance that someone might save you if they are packing. The neighbor in Texas saved a lot of people and is a hero (even CNN calls him that). You can't tell but my husband always packs wherever he goes in Virginia - even in church. Can't do that in Maryland because there's no reciprocity. Can't do it in DC because laws are so stringent (but changing).

Or we could stop mentally ill people, or people with a history of domestic or other violence (like this guy) from getting guns in the first place. But the NRA and their lapdogs in Congress would never permit even that type of screening.

Oh, but another posted stated that you shouldn't be able to prevent a "good guy" from buying a gun if there are no convictions.. like that shooter.

The shooter in Texas did go through clearance when purchasing the gun. For some reason, the dishonorable discharge did not pop up when they ran him through ATF and FBI clearance.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a fear that Muslims and Jews have had over their places of worship, for a long time. Many mosques and synagogues are no stranger to vandalism, or destruction of their houses of worship, and many, many threats.

I am not "happy" about any senseless violence, but it is interesting to hear Christians (particularly white Christians) talk about a feeling of fear - that is unfortunately so common and has been long standing for other groups in their houses of solace.

“It is interesting”? What on earth do you mean by that?

I mean just that. Minorities have felt this fear in their places of worship for a long time, and had a heightened sense of awareness of their vulnerable position -- even in "safe" places - that it's odd to be reminded that this fear is new and unusual for others.

Translation: we’ve had it rough so it’s funny that now you are too.

What is wrong with you?

The fact that you're outraged at pointing this out, highlights your immense privilege. A tragedy is always a tragedy, but it's a privileged position to be in, to only be struck with such fear today.

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Anonymous wrote:Neither of the heroes in the Texas shootings had any military training. I would rather have them sitting next to me in a pew than be a sitting duck.

No kidding, considering at least some of the mass shooters had military backgrounds (Texas yesterday and then the shooter on the base several years back).

With his career field and branch of service, he was not someone who would have spent a lot of time training marksmanship.

What I want to know is how he was able to enlist in the first place if he truly had taken the types of meds he did as a teenager.

We REALLY need to start looking seriously at how we prescribe some of these mental "health" drugs, especially for teens and children.

With the exception of religious terrorists, those legal prescription drugs are the single common thread of every last mass shooting in this country.

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Anonymous wrote:You all should pray anyway. It will help you cope with the fact that your elected officials are bull-headed racists who think that white men need guns to protect themselves from black and brown people.

SMH

Oh hello, flame throwing troll

PP is right. Dumb racists bought by the NRA.

-A white person