Selective colleges are taking fewer from kids Private and Boarding every year and more from public

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Legacy admissions is affirmative action for white people.

http://affinitymagazine.us/2017/08/05/white-people-dont-talk-about-legacy-admissions-because-its-the-affirmative-action-that-helps-them/

Have said this before... attended Stanford in the mid 80s. Our class was 40% "minority" at that time. Ivys were similar. Obviously those people have sent and are sending their kids now to elite schools as "legacies." Get with the 21st century.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Legacy admissions is affirmative action for white people.

http://affinitymagazine.us/2017/08/05/white-people-dont-talk-about-legacy-admissions-because-its-the-affirmative-action-that-helps-them/

Have said this before... attended Stanford in the mid 80s. Our class was 40% "minority" at that time. Ivys were similar. Obviously those people have sent and are sending their kids now to elite schools as "legacies." Get with the 21st century.

I know a "minority" who attends Stanford now. She has one black grandparent and looks Italian. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for affirmative action. But it's gamed by savvy upper middle class parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Legacy admissions is affirmative action for white people.

http://affinitymagazine.us/2017/08/05/white-people-dont-talk-about-legacy-admissions-because-its-the-affirmative-action-that-helps-them/

Have said this before... attended Stanford in the mid 80s. Our class was 40% "minority" at that time. Ivys were similar. Obviously those people have sent and are sending their kids now to elite schools as "legacies." Get with the 21st century.

I know a "minority" who attends Stanford now. She has one black grandparent and looks Italian. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for affirmative action. But it's gamed by savvy upper middle class parents.

It's also gamed by schools--private schools and universities--who want to claim a large share of minorities without taking those Anacostia kids. It's a game in which both upper middle class families and schools/colleges are complicit, and it's a shame because it dilutes the purpose of affirmative action.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Legacy admissions is affirmative action for white people.

http://affinitymagazine.us/2017/08/05/white-people-dont-talk-about-legacy-admissions-because-its-the-affirmative-action-that-helps-them/

Have said this before... attended Stanford in the mid 80s. Our class was 40% "minority" at that time. Ivys were similar. Obviously those people have sent and are sending their kids now to elite schools as "legacies." Get with the 21st century.

I know a "minority" who attends Stanford now. She has one black grandparent and looks Italian. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for affirmative action. But it's gamed by savvy upper middle class parents.

Careful..you assume that the student would not have gotten in to Stanford otherwise. This is most likely not the case. Any kid that gets into Stanford is top notch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Legacy admissions is affirmative action for white people.

http://affinitymagazine.us/2017/08/05/white-people-dont-talk-about-legacy-admissions-because-its-the-affirmative-action-that-helps-them/

Have said this before... attended Stanford in the mid 80s. Our class was 40% "minority" at that time. Ivys were similar. Obviously those people have sent and are sending their kids now to elite schools as "legacies." Get with the 21st century.

I know a "minority" who attends Stanford now. She has one black grandparent and looks Italian. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for affirmative action. But it's gamed by savvy upper middle class parents.

Careful..you assume that the student would not have gotten in to Stanford otherwise. This is most likely not the case. Any kid that gets into Stanford is top notch.

Well, there's at least one kid there that caused a lot of head shaking They have their special people too. All schools do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So the entire TJ senior class should attend Cornell? Good to know.

TJ has a very number of Cornell acceptances. 25 kids in 2017. 29 in 2016. As another example, CMU took 36 in 2017 and 50 in 2018. Twice as many kids applied to Cornell as applied to Brown. Cpornell had three times as many TJ applicants as Brown. Significantly more kids apply to Cornell (157 in 2017) than Harvard (91 applicants) or Yale (72 applicants).

In other news, TJ is a STEM school...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the entire TJ senior class should attend Cornell? Good to know.

TJ has a very number of Cornell acceptances. 25 kids in 2017. 29 in 2016. As another example, CMU took 36 in 2017 and 50 in 2018. Twice as many kids applied to Cornell as applied to Brown. Cpornell had three times as many TJ applicants as Brown. Significantly more kids apply to Cornell (157 in 2017) than Harvard (91 applicants) or Yale (72 applicants).

In other news, TJ is a STEM school...

often overlooked when people talk about how they don't get too many into the Ivies
How about MIT. Does any high school in the country get more kids into MIT than TJ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:according to my consultant (who used to do admissions at a top 3). She said it's bc enrollment management analyzes metrics (she wouldn't say specifically but said it's more than just grades) but professors and TAs are involved and so are resident advisors and that's part of the reason it's getting harder and harder to get in. She also said that going to a non-brand public is better than going to a big name public.

Professors - yes
TAs - no
RAs - no

Some schools let students interview applicants, but it's more to make the applicant feel wanted and appreciated.

I'm really skeptical re the claim that profs are involved in undergrad admissions. PhD admissions -- yes. College admissions -- no.

Prof who has BTDT at a t10 and who has friends who are faculty at other t10s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:according to my consultant (who used to do admissions at a top 3). She said it's bc enrollment management analyzes metrics (she wouldn't say specifically but said it's more than just grades) but professors and TAs are involved and so are resident advisors and that's part of the reason it's getting harder and harder to get in. She also said that going to a non-brand public is better than going to a big name public.

Professors - yes
TAs - no
RAs - no

Some schools let students interview applicants, but it's more to make the applicant feel wanted and appreciated.

I'm really skeptical re the claim that profs are involved in undergrad admissions. PhD admissions -- yes. College admissions -- no.

Prof who has BTDT at a t10 and who has friends who are faculty at other t10s.

+1. A music prof told DC that undergrad music programs get a lot of music submitted with applications. The profs may or may not listen, and it varies greatly by college/university.. He said he tries, but can't do it all.

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Anonymous wrote:Just to be perfectly clear, in case there is a newbie parent of a 9th grader reading this thread:

YES - ALL of the ivy league schools give financial aid. In many cases, very generous financial aid. (As do all of the top schools, although certainly to greater and lesser extent)

Please don't let the ignorant PP up thread dissuade your child from pursuing admissions at a competitive college.

?? You say ignorant....

Of course the Ivies all give FINANCIAL aid. What no Ivy gives is MERIT aid, which is different from financial aid. Merit aid, FYI, is an award of a few thousand, or even tens of thousands, based solely on your high school academic record. Merit aid doesn't require your parents to fill out long financial aid forms and submit their tax return, unlike financial aid which does require these things.

For some very low-income families, an Ivy may offer more generous financial AND merit aid than your in-state public. Unfortunately, not all Ivies have the deep pockets of Harvard, which someone mentioned upthread. For many families in the $100-200,000 annual income range, financial aid simply isn't available unless you have extenuating circumstances like 2+ kids in college at the same time (or unless we're talking about Harvard). For these families, merit aid may be necessary to attend--but again, the Ivies don't give out MERIT aid (or athletic scholarships, although they'll give athletes free laundry services, deals on meals, and the like).

Hope that's clear.

That's all lovely. And true. I was responding to the poster who very explicitly stated "THE IVIES DON'T GIVE FINANCIAL AID"
They do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just to be perfectly clear, in case there is a newbie parent of a 9th grader reading this thread:

YES - ALL of the ivy league schools give financial aid. In many cases, very generous financial aid. (As do all of the top schools, although certainly to greater and lesser extent)

Please don't let the ignorant PP up thread dissuade your child from pursuing admissions at a competitive college.

?? You say ignorant....

Of course the Ivies all give FINANCIAL aid. What no Ivy gives is MERIT aid, which is different from financial aid. Merit aid, FYI, is an award of a few thousand, or even tens of thousands, based solely on your high school academic record. Merit aid doesn't require your parents to fill out long financial aid forms and submit their tax return, unlike financial aid which does require these things.

For some very low-income families, an Ivy may offer more generous financial AND merit aid than your in-state public. Unfortunately, not all Ivies have the deep pockets of Harvard, which someone mentioned upthread. For many families in the $100-200,000 annual income range, financial aid simply isn't available unless you have extenuating circumstances like 2+ kids in college at the same time (or unless we're talking about Harvard). For these families, merit aid may be necessary to attend--but again, the Ivies don't give out MERIT aid (or athletic scholarships, although they'll give athletes free laundry services, deals on meals, and the like).

Hope that's clear.

That's all lovely. And true. I was responding to the poster who very explicitly stated "THE IVIES DON'T GIVE FINANCIAL AID"
They do.

So you're beating up on a poster who probably mistyped financial for merit. You must feel really good about yourself now!

SMH

[Anonymous]

Ivy football sucks...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She is trying to reset your expectations.

Exactly. Trust the data, not the consultant.

[Anonymous]

The emphasis on increasing urms and first gen students has something to do with this trend.

An upper income non-minoritystudent, whether they go to public or private, is less likely to be admitted than they were 10 years ago.

[Anonymous]

"Private and Boarding" is nearly as broad as "Public Schools" - they are not all the same.