Google male engineeer saying female engineers shouldn't be engineers
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Anonymous
I disagree with all 3. Wage gap is real Diversity "for diversity sake" is not a joke, we need different viewpoints depending on the job. I am not going to hire a white dude from Vermont who graduated from an Ivy league school to market products to black customers in Chicago, even if his GPA and class rank is higher than the black chick from Chicago who graduated from a Chicago state school. NO women are not "better at certain things" ... some women are better at certain thing, some women are not, some men are better at certain things, some men are not. I don't think every man would make a better Army soldier than every woman. We need to look at everybody as an individual regardless of their gender. |
Anonymous
That's because of economic pressures. There are more "fun jobs" in the us that pay decent than in those countries. |
Anonymous
And they completely disagree with what other people might view as qualified. Google is kind of infamous for this given how they went after uber brains for the longest time only to find out that uber brains weren't actually what it took to run a successful company. I hired a woman once who barely met the threshold for technical qualification, though she did demonstrate the capacity and work ethic to pick up new things. I fought for her and unashamedly played the diversity card. She's still not the most technically savvy person on the floor but she is one of the hardest working, has the most breadth of experience (so knows when something is a bad idea), and is an awesome team lead. She's been promoted twice, just moved into a management position, and people love working with and for her. I'll take an awesome team lead who builds up everyone around them over half a dozen guys who want to hoard knowledge and measure their intellectual dicks any day of the week. |
Anonymous
What's stopping you from making your own start up and then getting funded? If a fraud like Liz Holmes can get venture cap funding, surely you can |
Anonymous
I agree. So why aren't marketing and PR departments making an effort to hire more men? |
Anonymous
Women in marketing and PR hold 70% of the jobs but only 40% of the jobs that pay $150k+...who is to say that these places aren't making efforts to hire more men? Seems like there's plenty of men in the top ranks. |
Anonymous
If they were focused on diversity, it should be 50% at all ranks. Is Google making an effort to promote diversity in those departments also? |
Anonymous
| Screw him. There are women engineers who do a hell of a better job than the males. |
Anonymous
I don't think #2 exists in any significant part. You may ASSUME that a woman or minority candidate is hired because they are less qualified, but that's not typically true and shows your assumptions and biases, not reality. More importantly, how you define "LESS qualified" is very subjective and in many cases not appropriate/relevant to the job. Let's not pretend that there's some consistent and easily measured standard to be used in hiring or promoting. Will the person with a 3.6 do better in their career than the person with the 3.4? It's obviously impossible to know that, and in many cases the skills measured in GPA aren't the same as those that are needed to be successful at work. So the ubiquitous "good fit" is often code for "looks/acts/thinks like I do" and is far more often used against a woman or minority candidate than an old white guy. |
Anonymous
What is your basis for stating #2 as a fact? I have never seen it. Focusing on only women, who are pretty much the only underrepresented group in tech that has sufficient numbers to say anything meaningful, the women who clear the basic training bars probably move up ranks faster. Because they are good. I'm excellent by any objective measure. My educational pedigree, my professional pedigree, the things I've accomplished in my jobs, and the public thought leadership I've cultivated. But I'm the only woman in a technical role on our 40 person team. Women shouldn't have to be excellent to make it in tech. I'll know there is equality when mediocre women succeed in tech jobs. |
Anonymous
I think in many places they are. What makes you think they aren't? Certainly in education there is a strong push for more male teachers. |
Anonymous
Outliers don't make the rule. According to certain studies, men on average have one standard deviation higher spatial intelligence quotient than women. This domain is one of the few where clear sex differences in cognition appear (likewise the brain structure associated with this type of intelligence, the parietal lobe, differs between male and female brains). However, in some studies, once time constraints were removed, women did as well as men. It has also been found that spatial ability correlates with verbal ability in women but not in men, suggesting that women may use different strategies for spatial visualization tasks than men do. Spatial intelligence is often a requirement to make it through engineering courses, as one needs to flip the orientation of objects in ones head to visualize designs, and understand a summation of forces at moment in basic engineering classes like engineering statics. |
Anonymous
op here, I entirely agree. When women aren't subject to the same economic pressures they choose things they are more interested in. |
Anonymous
Interesting. Another question: is there any evidence that the spatial IQ difference (if it actually exists) correlates to differences in on-the-job performance of male v female engineers? I'm guessing that there is not. As we all know, raw test scores are not good predictors of actual success. Generally, there's a sort of baseline IQ everyone needs to have to keep up with a certain job, and after that, other personal qualities likely matter much more. |
Anonymous
Have you been in staffing meetings #2 is what diversity initiatives are. We have to higher a woman and URM in each entering class now. Its bs |