Article about school vouchers WaPo

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:^^^ Your child would be in a safe environment where s/he could learn. Getting beat on in DCPS, especially as a special needs child, isn't conducive to learning.


But the problem is that kids with severe special needs will likely NOT be able to learn without the supports outlined in their IEPs. And the private schools are not obligated to comply with the IEP. Also, bullying happens in parochial schools, too. DCPS doesn't have a monopoly on it.


Bullying isn't tolerated in parochial schools in DC. Parochial and private schools in DC now have in-school direct therapy services for kids with an ISP/IEP. The direct services are more related to non-severe cases, such as speech and OT.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:^^^ Your child would be in a safe environment where s/he could learn. Getting beat on in DCPS, especially as a special needs child, isn't conducive to learning.


But the problem is that kids with severe special needs will likely NOT be able to learn without the supports outlined in their IEPs. And the private schools are not obligated to comply with the IEP. Also, bullying happens in parochial schools, too. DCPS doesn't have a monopoly on it.


Bullying isn't tolerated in parochial schools in DC. Parochial and private schools in DC now have in-school direct therapy services for kids with an ISP/IEP. The direct services are more related to non-severe cases, such as speech and OT.


Do they have to comply with federal law relating to services for students with SNs if they take voucher funds?

And bullying, esp of students with SNs, occurs in nearly every school setting, including Catholic schools.

- Catholic school veteran
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:^^^ Your child would be in a safe environment where s/he could learn. Getting beat on in DCPS, especially as a special needs child, isn't conducive to learning.


But the problem is that kids with severe special needs will likely NOT be able to learn without the supports outlined in their IEPs. And the private schools are not obligated to comply with the IEP. Also, bullying happens in parochial schools, too. DCPS doesn't have a monopoly on it.


Bullying isn't tolerated in parochial schools in DC. Parochial and private schools in DC now have in-school direct therapy services for kids with an ISP/IEP. The direct services are more related to non-severe cases, such as speech and OT.


Do they have to comply with federal law relating to services for students with SNs if they take voucher funds?

And bullying, esp of students with SNs, occurs in nearly every school setting, including Catholic schools.

- Catholic school veteran


No, they do not. The students are eligible for an IEP to get services from DCPS, but those are quite limited (this is not just for students in the voucher program, but any DC child in a private school).
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Wrong. Please investigate further.


PP here. I meant the vouchers don't cover tuition at ALL the Catholic schools in the voucher program. Holy Trinity in Georgetown charges $17,700 for non-Catholic/out of diocese, Visitation is $29,200 , Gonzaga and St. John's = $22,100, St. Anslem's is $27,000, St. Peters on Cap Hill is $14,000 for Catholics, St. Augustine is $13,500.

These amounts are just tuition. I didn't include application fees, academic admissions testing, books, supplies, uniforms, aftercare, or transportation. Even if tuition is covered by the voucher, it's up to each school to decide which of the other fees might be paid with voucher funds.

Remember, the maximum voucher amounts for the lowest-income families are $8,653 for K-8 and $12,981 for 9th-12th.

Vouchers CANNOT be used for any of the following:

Late Fees (even though vouchers are issued 2 or 3 times a year, not all upfront)
Parent participation and/or fundraising fees
Penalties for student behavior
Basic school supplies
Computers
Personal transportation
Other items not related to academic success
Other fees your school has determined are not billable to your student's scholarship

Bottom line: The voucher system as it's set up is a bait-and-switch. It promises parent choice, but some of the options are completely out of reach. It targets kids at certain schools with -- again -- no way for parents to accurately compare the safety and effectiveness of the limited number of schools they might be able to afford.

Some high-cost schools claim to have voucher students, but we just have to take their word for it because there is no real oversight of the program.

Here's an analogy: food choices. All parents want their kids to have "healthy" food. WIC funds can pay for cereal. Standardized nutrition and ingredients labeling lets parents choose between nut- free or high protein or low calorie or your kid's favorite that you know they'll eat consistently.

Now imagine that some of the options are organic, no artificial colors, flavors, high protein, whole grain and $10 a box. Others are $3 but lack a full list of ingredients (could be nuts). A few are 99 cents a pound, but no expiration or manufacturer listed. Even if you find the perfect cereal for your child, it may be only available at a store two bus rides away.

Bottom line: public money = public oversight



St. Peter's is $11,500, and there's a Catholic discount. Other parochials are significantly cheaper. The Washington School for Girls is all scholarship. Our Lady of Victory is a top parochial and two-time Blue Ribbon winner; it's tuition is $9100 for Catholics and another $1000 for non. Keep spreading fake news.

1. Some, not all, Catholic schools have tuition higher than the maximum voucher amount of $12,900 for lowest income level.

2. St. Peters is only $11,500 for Catholics in grades 1-8. If you're in pre-K, K, or non-Catholic at any level, here are the 2017-2018 fees from the school's website. https://1.cdn.edl.io/C4Usv7UFbVTgrh8aVNicMZwPSFnNB9JCMw9BeVtB5FxLdWA9.pdf

Kindergarten, Catholic $13,000
Pre-K, Catholic $14,000
Pre-K – Grade 8, Non-Catholic $14,500

The voucher program is disingenuous because it has so many schools -- not just Catholic -- that aren't realistically financially attainable or sustainable for low-income families.

Even if a family could pay OLV tuition with vouchers, it's about as far west as you can get in the city. No metro and one bus line.

We can argue details all day long, but without transparency and accountability, how can parents make informed choices from viable options?

Any school -- charter, public, or private -- that takes public money must be accountable to the public.

Why is that so hard?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Wrong. Please investigate further.


PP here. I meant the vouchers don't cover tuition at ALL the Catholic schools in the voucher program. Holy Trinity in Georgetown charges $17,700 for non-Catholic/out of diocese, Visitation is $29,200 , Gonzaga and St. John's = $22,100, St. Anslem's is $27,000, St. Peters on Cap Hill is $14,000 for Catholics, St. Augustine is $13,500.

These amounts are just tuition. I didn't include application fees, academic admissions testing, books, supplies, uniforms, aftercare, or transportation. Even if tuition is covered by the voucher, it's up to each school to decide which of the other fees might be paid with voucher funds.

Remember, the maximum voucher amounts for the lowest-income families are $8,653 for K-8 and $12,981 for 9th-12th.

Vouchers CANNOT be used for any of the following:

Late Fees (even though vouchers are issued 2 or 3 times a year, not all upfront)
Parent participation and/or fundraising fees
Penalties for student behavior
Basic school supplies
Computers
Personal transportation
Other items not related to academic success
Other fees your school has determined are not billable to your student's scholarship

Bottom line: The voucher system as it's set up is a bait-and-switch. It promises parent choice, but some of the options are completely out of reach. It targets kids at certain schools with -- again -- no way for parents to accurately compare the safety and effectiveness of the limited number of schools they might be able to afford.

Some high-cost schools claim to have voucher students, but we just have to take their word for it because there is no real oversight of the program.

Here's an analogy: food choices. All parents want their kids to have "healthy" food. WIC funds can pay for cereal. Standardized nutrition and ingredients labeling lets parents choose between nut- free or high protein or low calorie or your kid's favorite that you know they'll eat consistently.

Now imagine that some of the options are organic, no artificial colors, flavors, high protein, whole grain and $10 a box. Others are $3 but lack a full list of ingredients (could be nuts). A few are 99 cents a pound, but no expiration or manufacturer listed. Even if you find the perfect cereal for your child, it may be only available at a store two bus rides away.

Bottom line: public money = public oversight



St. Peter's is $11,500, and there's a Catholic discount. Other parochials are significantly cheaper. The Washington School for Girls is all scholarship. Our Lady of Victory is a top parochial and two-time Blue Ribbon winner; it's tuition is $9100 for Catholics and another $1000 for non. Keep spreading fake news.

1. Some, not all, Catholic schools have tuition higher than the maximum voucher amount of $12,900 for lowest income level.

2. St. Peters is only $11,500 for Catholics in grades 1-8. If you're in pre-K, K, or non-Catholic at any level, here are the 2017-2018 fees from the school's website. https://1.cdn.edl.io/C4Usv7UFbVTgrh8aVNicMZwPSFnNB9JCMw9BeVtB5FxLdWA9.pdf

Kindergarten, Catholic $13,000
Pre-K, Catholic $14,000
Pre-K – Grade 8, Non-Catholic $14,500

The voucher program is disingenuous because it has so many schools -- not just Catholic -- that aren't realistically financially attainable or sustainable for low-income families.

Even if a family could pay OLV tuition with vouchers, it's about as far west as you can get in the city. No metro and one bus line.

We can argue details all day long, but without transparency and accountability, how can parents make informed choices from viable options?

Any school -- charter, public, or private -- that takes public money must be accountable to the public.
Tje
Why is that so hard?

Where's the public oversight of private colleges and universities? They get plenty of public money.

What it comes down to is do you want to retain middle class families in the city or lose them to No.Va. or MoCo? How hard is that to understand?

Give us the dang vouchers!!!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Wrong. Please investigate further.


PP here. I meant the vouchers don't cover tuition at ALL the Catholic schools in the voucher program. Holy Trinity in Georgetown charges $17,700 for non-Catholic/out of diocese, Visitation is $29,200 , Gonzaga and St. John's = $22,100, St. Anslem's is $27,000, St. Peters on Cap Hill is $14,000 for Catholics, St. Augustine is $13,500.

These amounts are just tuition. I didn't include application fees, academic admissions testing, books, supplies, uniforms, aftercare, or transportation. Even if tuition is covered by the voucher, it's up to each school to decide which of the other fees might be paid with voucher funds.

Remember, the maximum voucher amounts for the lowest-income families are $8,653 for K-8 and $12,981 for 9th-12th.

Vouchers CANNOT be used for any of the following:

Late Fees (even though vouchers are issued 2 or 3 times a year, not all upfront)
Parent participation and/or fundraising fees
Penalties for student behavior
Basic school supplies
Computers
Personal transportation
Other items not related to academic success
Other fees your school has determined are not billable to your student's scholarship

Bottom line: The voucher system as it's set up is a bait-and-switch. It promises parent choice, but some of the options are completely out of reach. It targets kids at certain schools with -- again -- no way for parents to accurately compare the safety and effectiveness of the limited number of schools they might be able to afford.

Some high-cost schools claim to have voucher students, but we just have to take their word for it because there is no real oversight of the program.

Here's an analogy: food choices. All parents want their kids to have "healthy" food. WIC funds can pay for cereal. Standardized nutrition and ingredients labeling lets parents choose between nut- free or high protein or low calorie or your kid's favorite that you know they'll eat consistently.

Now imagine that some of the options are organic, no artificial colors, flavors, high protein, whole grain and $10 a box. Others are $3 but lack a full list of ingredients (could be nuts). A few are 99 cents a pound, but no expiration or manufacturer listed. Even if you find the perfect cereal for your child, it may be only available at a store two bus rides away.

Bottom line: public money = public oversight



St. Peter's is $11,500, and there's a Catholic discount. Other parochials are significantly cheaper. The Washington School for Girls is all scholarship. Our Lady of Victory is a top parochial and two-time Blue Ribbon winner; it's tuition is $9100 for Catholics and another $1000 for non. Keep spreading fake news.

1. Some, not all, Catholic schools have tuition higher than the maximum voucher amount of $12,900 for lowest income level.

2. St. Peters is only $11,500 for Catholics in grades 1-8. If you're in pre-K, K, or non-Catholic at any level, here are the 2017-2018 fees from the school's website. https://1.cdn.edl.io/C4Usv7UFbVTgrh8aVNicMZwPSFnNB9JCMw9BeVtB5FxLdWA9.pdf

Kindergarten, Catholic $13,000
Pre-K, Catholic $14,000
Pre-K – Grade 8, Non-Catholic $14,500

The voucher program is disingenuous because it has so many schools -- not just Catholic -- that aren't realistically financially attainable or sustainable for low-income families.

Even if a family could pay OLV tuition with vouchers, it's about as far west as you can get in the city. No metro and one bus line.

We can argue details all day long, but without transparency and accountability, how can parents make informed choices from viable options?

Any school -- charter, public, or private -- that takes public money must be accountable to the public.

Why is that so hard?



Where's the public oversight of private colleges and universities? They get plenty of public money.

What it comes down to is do you want to retain middle class families in the city or lose them to No.Va. or MoCo? How hard is that to understand?

Give us the dang vouchers!!!
Anonymous
Unless that middle class family has a kid with SN and then who cares? Who cares if DCPS drops the Ivymount partnership? Who cares if students with SN lose their Mediaid funding? Who cares if charters find out they just can't handle the students with SN who get in via lottery? Who cares if disabled students lose Medicaid funding and the Secy of Ed doesn't know what IDEA stands for? They are only kids with SN after all.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Wrong. Please investigate further.


PP here. I meant the vouchers don't cover tuition at ALL the Catholic schools in the voucher program. Holy Trinity in Georgetown charges $17,700 for non-Catholic/out of diocese, Visitation is $29,200 , Gonzaga and St. John's = $22,100, St. Anslem's is $27,000, St. Peters on Cap Hill is $14,000 for Catholics, St. Augustine is $13,500.

These amounts are just tuition. I didn't include application fees, academic admissions testing, books, supplies, uniforms, aftercare, or transportation. Even if tuition is covered by the voucher, it's up to each school to decide which of the other fees might be paid with voucher funds.

Remember, the maximum voucher amounts for the lowest-income families are $8,653 for K-8 and $12,981 for 9th-12th.

Vouchers CANNOT be used for any of the following:

Late Fees (even though vouchers are issued 2 or 3 times a year, not all upfront)
Parent participation and/or fundraising fees
Penalties for student behavior
Basic school supplies
Computers
Personal transportation
Other items not related to academic success
Other fees your school has determined are not billable to your student's scholarship

Bottom line: The voucher system as it's set up is a bait-and-switch. It promises parent choice, but some of the options are completely out of reach. It targets kids at certain schools with -- again -- no way for parents to accurately compare the safety and effectiveness of the limited number of schools they might be able to afford.

Some high-cost schools claim to have voucher students, but we just have to take their word for it because there is no real oversight of the program.

Here's an analogy: food choices. All parents want their kids to have "healthy" food. WIC funds can pay for cereal. Standardized nutrition and ingredients labeling lets parents choose between nut- free or high protein or low calorie or your kid's favorite that you know they'll eat consistently.

Now imagine that some of the options are organic, no artificial colors, flavors, high protein, whole grain and $10 a box. Others are $3 but lack a full list of ingredients (could be nuts). A few are 99 cents a pound, but no expiration or manufacturer listed. Even if you find the perfect cereal for your child, it may be only available at a store two bus rides away.

Bottom line: public money = public oversight



St. Peter's is $11,500, and there's a Catholic discount. Other parochials are significantly cheaper. The Washington School for Girls is all scholarship. Our Lady of Victory is a top parochial and two-time Blue Ribbon winner; it's tuition is $9100 for Catholics and another $1000 for non. Keep spreading fake news.


1. Some, not all, Catholic schools have tuition higher than the maximum voucher amount of $12,900 for lowest income level.

2. St. Peters is only $11,500 for Catholics in grades 1-8. If you're in pre-K, K, or non-Catholic at any level, here are the 2017-2018 fees from the school's website. https://1.cdn.edl.io/C4Usv7UFbVTgrh8aVNicMZwPSFnNB9JCMw9BeVtB5FxLdWA9.pdf

Kindergarten, Catholic $13,000
Pre-K, Catholic $14,000
Pre-K – Grade 8, Non-Catholic $14,500

The voucher program is disingenuous because it has so many schools -- not just Catholic -- that aren't realistically financially attainable or sustainable for low-income families.

Even if a family could pay OLV tuition with vouchers, it's about as far west as you can get in the city. No metro and one bus line.

We can argue details all day long, but without transparency and accountability, how can parents make informed choices from viable options?

Any school -- charter, public, or private -- that takes public money must be accountable to the public.

Why is that so hard?



Where's the public oversight of private colleges and universities? They get plenty of public money.

What it comes down to is do you want to retain middle class families in the city or lose them to No.Va. or MoCo? How hard is that to understand?

Give us the dang vouchers!!!


No one, not even Donald Trump and Betsy Devos, are giving middle class families vouchers.

May as well go ahead and call your real estate agent.
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