Article about school vouchers WaPo

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Anonymous wrote:You all must be trolls. It's a system that allows poor kids a chance to get up to a safe, quality education. Give a kid who wants a better environment a chance to move up. Get out of your west of the park high society security and come east and see how the other half lives. You're afraid of vouchers because you know that expansion will cause your neighbors and even yourselves to take them up and go private. Responsible parents want the best and safest education for their kids. That's why charters are thriving too.

Gimme a break with the hyperbole. The entire city is nice these days, has been for a while. Drive all through SE and you see awesome, renovated and new houses and clean, renovated city parks. Yes, (gasp!) even dogs having fun in the parks. The only truly awful part DC (in terms of uncleanliness, poor upkeep, and localized criminal activity) are the pockets of lower income that are public and subsidized housing. That's what everybody complains about, but you accept it because we live in a society.

You don't have to raise the spectre of 1980's DC to make a solid argument for vouchers: if the schools aren't good, then outgoing parents should use every opportunity to find a better spot.

PP, you have no idea what you're talking about. Why don't you volunteer in some of these lower performing neighborhood schools and then tell me how rosy everything is. Ignorance is bliss for you.

You're ignoring the point, "come out and see how the other half lives." The "other half" is living just fine in DC; but that's a completely different matter than the performance of students in the schools. The vast majority of DC no longer dodges bullets or lives in cratered, broken down streets and houses, other than in the pockets of misery described above. But, admittedly, a good number of DCPS students live in those pockets, and go to DC public schools. Just don't act like the entire city is some kind of garbage pit. It ain't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You all must be trolls. It's a system that allows poor kids a chance to get up to a safe, quality education. Give a kid who wants a better environment a chance to move up. Get out of your west of the park high society security and come east and see how the other half lives. You're afraid of vouchers because you know that expansion will cause your neighbors and even yourselves to take them up and go private. Responsible parents want the best and safest education for their kids. That's why charters are thriving too.

Guess you didn't read the same article we did, that's what comes from living under a bridge and only coming out when you see a Billy Goat!

[Anonymous]

Yeah, I read the same rubbish. If you really thought vouchers don't work you wouldn't care about it cuz no one would use them. But guess what, people will flock tp them for the betterment of their kids. Trolls.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:YResponsible parents want the best and safest education for their kids.

This person is the troll. I believe that's a direct DeVos quote...

Are you one of the 4% who voted Trump in DC, or just someone working for DeVos?

Even if this person is a troll, I don't know any parent who would disagree with wanting the best and safest education possible and I hate Trump.

And yes I do support vouchers, charters, homeschooling, and strong public schools as a lifelong Democrat!

What I would like to see is more accountability and transparency for vouchers and charters especially in regards to finances and also requiring that any school that receives public monies be required to spend at least 90% of the money on the students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:YResponsible parents want the best and safest education for their kids.

This person is the troll. I believe that's a direct DeVos quote...

Are you one of the 4% who voted Trump in DC, or just someone working for DeVos?

Even if this person is a troll, I don't know any parent who would disagree with wanting the best and safest education possible and I hate Trump.

And yes I do support vouchers, charters, homeschooling, and strong public schools as a lifelong Democrat!

What I would like to see is more accountability and transparency for vouchers and charters especially in regards to finances and also requiring that any school that receives public monies be required to spend at least 90% of the money on the students.

Probably a different threat - but how would do you define spent 'on the students.' Do teacher salaries count? Rent/mortgage payments? Teacher benefits like 401K or retirement? Liability, workers comp insurance?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Even if this person is a troll, I don't know any parent who would disagree with wanting the best and safest education possible and I hate Trump.

And yes I do support vouchers, charters, homeschooling, and strong public schools as a lifelong Democrat!

What I would like to see is more accountability and transparency for vouchers and charters especially in regards to finances and also requiring that any school that receives public monies be required to spend at least 90% of the money on the students.

Probably a different threat - but how would do you define spent 'on the students.' Do teacher salaries count? Rent/mortgage payments? Teacher benefits like 401K or retirement? Liability, workers comp insurance?

I would like to see at least 90% spent on the students which would include teachers' salaries and benefits, insurance, student classroom supplies, extra-curricular activities, and the school building (as long as the terms for the building are transparent and not a cash cow for the "owners"). I don't think the owners of the educational management group should be able to make more than a DC school superintendent and I also think that educational management groups need to be fully transparent as well but of course DeVos is against this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Even if this person is a troll, I don't know any parent who would disagree with wanting the best and safest education possible and I hate Trump.

And yes I do support vouchers, charters, homeschooling, and strong public schools as a lifelong Democrat!

What I would like to see is more accountability and transparency for vouchers and charters especially in regards to finances and also requiring that any school that receives public monies be required to spend at least 90% of the money on the students.

Probably a different threat - but how would do you define spent 'on the students.' Do teacher salaries count? Rent/mortgage payments? Teacher benefits like 401K or retirement? Liability, workers comp insurance?

I would like to see at least 90% spent on the students which would include teachers' salaries and benefits, insurance, student classroom supplies, extra-curricular activities, and the school building (as long as the terms for the building are transparent and not a cash cow for the "owners"). I don't think the owners of the educational management group should be able to make more than a DC school superintendent and I also think that educational management groups need to be fully transparent as well but of course DeVos is against this.

So does DCPS' "downtown" expenses and salaries count as part of your 90%?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Even if this person is a troll, I don't know any parent who would disagree with wanting the best and safest education possible and I hate Trump.

And yes I do support vouchers, charters, homeschooling, and strong public schools as a lifelong Democrat!

What I would like to see is more accountability and transparency for vouchers and charters especially in regards to finances and also requiring that any school that receives public monies be required to spend at least 90% of the money on the students.

Probably a different threat - but how would do you define spent 'on the students.' Do teacher salaries count? Rent/mortgage payments? Teacher benefits like 401K or retirement? Liability, workers comp insurance?

I would like to see at least 90% spent on the students which would include teachers' salaries and benefits, insurance, student classroom supplies, extra-curricular activities, and the school building (as long as the terms for the building are transparent and not a cash cow for the "owners"). I don't think the owners of the educational management group should be able to make more than a DC school superintendent and I also think that educational management groups need to be fully transparent as well but of course DeVos is against this.

So does DCPS' "downtown" expenses and salaries count as part of your 90%?

Obviously teachers should be paid the norms for high cost of living areas. Your point is what???

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Even if this person is a troll, I don't know any parent who would disagree with wanting the best and safest education possible and I hate Trump.

And yes I do support vouchers, charters, homeschooling, and strong public schools as a lifelong Democrat!

What I would like to see is more accountability and transparency for vouchers and charters especially in regards to finances and also requiring that any school that receives public monies be required to spend at least 90% of the money on the students.

Probably a different threat - but how would do you define spent 'on the students.' Do teacher salaries count? Rent/mortgage payments? Teacher benefits like 401K or retirement? Liability, workers comp insurance?

I would like to see at least 90% spent on the students which would include teachers' salaries and benefits, insurance, student classroom supplies, extra-curricular activities, and the school building (as long as the terms for the building are transparent and not a cash cow for the "owners"). I don't think the owners of the educational management group should be able to make more than a DC school superintendent and I also think that educational management groups need to be fully transparent as well but of course DeVos is against this.

So does DCPS' "downtown" expenses and salaries count as part of your 90%?

Obviously teachers should be paid the norms for high cost of living areas. Your point is what???

My point is you seem to have a very clear POV about certain charters. I agree excessive overhead is an area of concern -- I just think DCPS has way too much of it too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I would like to see at least 90% spent on the students which would include teachers' salaries and benefits, insurance, student classroom supplies, extra-curricular activities, and the school building (as long as the terms for the building are transparent and not a cash cow for the "owners"). I don't think the owners of the educational management group should be able to make more than a DC school superintendent and I also think that educational management groups need to be fully transparent as well but of course DeVos is against this.

So does DCPS' "downtown" expenses and salaries count as part of your 90%?

Obviously teachers should be paid the norms for high cost of living areas. Your point is what???

My point is you seem to have a very clear POV about certain charters. I agree excessive overhead is an area of concern -- I just think DCPS has way too much of it too.

Sure I agree that there is excessive unnecessary spending in public school systems as well. And for the record my kid goes to one of the charters accused of possibly raking in too much dough, What I am saying is that right now the law allows for a loophole in DC where transparency is not required for educational management groups and I think it should be fully required as well as requiring at least 90% of the money being spent on educating students.

DCPS OTOH has full transparency in regard to finances fro what I understand unlike some charters. I just think full transparency should be required when public monies are involved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I would like to see at least 90% spent on the students which would include teachers' salaries and benefits, insurance, student classroom supplies, extra-curricular activities, and the school building (as long as the terms for the building are transparent and not a cash cow for the "owners"). I don't think the owners of the educational management group should be able to make more than a DC school superintendent and I also think that educational management groups need to be fully transparent as well but of course DeVos is against this.

So does DCPS' "downtown" expenses and salaries count as part of your 90%?

Obviously teachers should be paid the norms for high cost of living areas. Your point is what???

My point is you seem to have a very clear POV about certain charters. I agree excessive overhead is an area of concern -- I just think DCPS has way too much of it too.

Sure I agree that there is excessive unnecessary spending in public school systems as well. And for the record my kid goes to one of the charters accused of possibly raking in too much dough, What I am saying is that right now the law allows for a loophole in DC where transparency is not required for educational management groups and I think it should be fully required as well as requiring at least 90% of the money being spent on educating students.

DCPS OTOH has full transparency in regard to finances fro what I understand unlike some charters. I just think full transparency should be required when public monies are involved.

The Council passed a bill which is now law requiring more transparency of for-profit CMOs. I think it's too soon to know if it's enough, but DC is far better on this front than every other jurisdiction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:YResponsible parents want the best and safest education for their kids.

This person is the troll. I believe that's a direct DeVos quote...

Are you one of the 4% who voted Trump in DC, or just someone working for DeVos?

This person is quite real and actually voted for the girl. Nevertheless, this person is a responsible parent who wants the best and safest education for her kids. Vouchers and charters are regrettably the way to keep people from moving to the suburbs and to grow and support the residents of the city. Sorry, but it's true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You all must be trolls. It's a system that allows poor kids a chance to get up to a safe, quality education. Give a kid who wants a better environment a chance to move up. Get out of your west of the park high society security and come east and see how the other half lives. You're afraid of vouchers because you know that expansion will cause your neighbors and even yourselves to take them up and go private. Responsible parents want the best and safest education for their kids. That's why charters are thriving too.

Gimme a break with the hyperbole. The entire city is nice these days, has been for a while. Drive all through SE and you see awesome, renovated and new houses and clean, renovated city parks. Yes, (gasp!) even dogs having fun in the parks. The only truly awful part DC (in terms of uncleanliness, poor upkeep, and localized criminal activity) are the pockets of lower income that are public and subsidized housing. That's what everybody complains about, but you accept it because we live in a society.

You don't have to raise the spectre of 1980's DC to make a solid argument for vouchers: if the schools aren't good, then outgoing parents should use every opportunity to find a better spot.

PP, you have no idea what you're talking about. Why don't you volunteer in some of these lower performing neighborhood schools and then tell me how rosy everything is. Ignorance is bliss for you.

You're ignoring the point, "come out and see how the other half lives." The "other half" is living just fine in DC; but that's a completely different matter than the performance of students in the schools. The vast majority of DC no longer dodges bullets or lives in cratered, broken down streets and houses, other than in the pockets of misery described above. But, admittedly, a good number of DCPS students live in those pockets, and go to DC public schools. Just don't act like the entire city is some kind of garbage pit. It ain't.

Just because the city is attractive to hipsters doesn't mean DCPS is doing anything well. The man-bun wearing bike-riders are happily drinking microbrews, they are not among the 60% who can't read at grade level (or if they can't, they aren't tested on the PARCC).

[Anonymous]

Public money = Public scrutiny. Why do voucher schools get a pass?

What do they have to hide? How about admissio s discrimination using religion, disability, language, gender expression, whatever the heck they want.

Let the charter school board vet the voucher schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Public money = Public scrutiny. Why do voucher schools get a pass?

What do they have to hide? How about admissio s discrimination using religion, disability, language, gender expression, whatever the heck they want.

Let the charter school board vet the voucher schools

You realize that charters are public schools, whereas those which accept vouchers are private, right?

Nope. You don't.