NYT article: Young, Gifted, and Not Getting Into Harvard

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Anonymous wrote:Most African Americans have a fair amount of European blood. Where do you think that European blood came from?

The irony is that many African Americans themselves are descended from white slave owners. A typical Irish American family that immigrated 100 years ago probably has zero slave owner blood.

Ah, so they benefitted from slavery, is that your point? WTF.

Just pointing out the hypocrisy of expecting whites to atone for having slave-owning ancestors, when a large percentage of black folks have just as much slave owner ancestry.

Are you really this obtuse? Part of the point is that wealth accumulates across generations, and that in this country many families built generational wealth via slave labor. Once again, I will ask, are you arguing that because some slaves were fathered by their owners that those slaves somehow benefitted from slavery the same way their owners did? No.

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The NYTimes article cited is so "on point." I was very similar and was not an Ivy grad but did go to another TT school and have a job that exposes me to a lot of young people seeking recommendations. I have this to say: stop pushing your kids. A lot of them feel that the only way to gain your love is by getting into a prestigious college. The more strained they feel, the less likely they are to get in, as all TT schools are concerned about mental health, a huge issue in freshman classes.

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Oucb, but true. Minorities are treated differently even though no one living now was a southern slave. Slavery is common worldwide in different forms, and nothing an AA would have experience of. If you want to know about slavery of today in america, google american sex slaves. They are asian and latina and european and indian women.

There is a woman living now with connections to DC whose father was a slave. She rang the bell to open the NMAAHC. As the article contends, the past isn't even past, folks. The legacy of slavery is definitely still with us today. And I say that as a 1st-gen black person with no connection to American slavery.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ruth-bonner-slave-daughter-museum_us_57e6d472e4b0e80b1ba26222

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Anonymous wrote:"Young, Gifted, and Not Getting Into Harvard" means one thing for sure...

The kid is Asian or White.

That is just complete bullshit. I think people who make statements like this must have a very shaky grasp of basic math. There are THOUSANDS of gifted students nationwide. Harvard only accepts about 1900 of them each year.

yes, but who are they accepting -- and what edge do THEY have. My guess is race/ethnicity is definitely a factor.

Yeah, they're white. Thirty percent of Harvard admits are legacies, at a school was overwhelmingly white at the time when the parents of today's applicants were attending. Today's college applicants were born around 1999. Assuming an average parental age of about 35 for your highly educated parents, those kids had parents attending Harvard in the mid-1980s. The percentage of Black students at Harvard then? Under 5 percent.

The single biggest advantage an applicant can have is legacy status, but the group of Black and Latino applicants who can claim that advantage is incredibly low. Thus is privilege perpetuated.

underegrad is about 12-13%. And of course it's not blacks and Latinos hurt by this, it's Asians.

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2011/5/11/admissions-fitzsimmons-legacy-legacies/

How are Blacks and Latinos not hurt by the legacy boost? This isn't the Oppression Olympics. Asians can be hurt at the same time as Blacks and Latinos.

I started at Stanford in 1984; my class was 37% minority. While I don't have time to check now, I suspect the Ivies were similar (although probably more Asians at Stanford because of the heavily Californian app pool). There are plenty of minority kids now in the applicant pools for top schools who are also legacies. Are the majority white? Yes... And so is the population.

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Shouda' gone to GDS.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Most African Americans have a fair amount of European blood. Where do you think that European blood came from?

The irony is that many African Americans themselves are descended from white slave owners. A typical Irish American family that immigrated 100 years ago probably has zero slave owner blood.

Ah, so they benefitted from slavery, is that your point? WTF.

Just pointing out the hypocrisy of expecting whites to atone for having slave-owning ancestors, when a large percentage of black folks have just as much slave owner ancestry.

^^Who let this mouth breather enter the thread? If you're representative of lower class whites being shut out by Harvard, then thank heavens the admissions committee is doing its job. You are a foolish liar if you claim not to know that white blood entered the black population through rape and slave ownership and that stigma attached to black skin continues to operate in America in ways that whites, regardless of ancestry, do not experience. Your post is just good enough for me to print out and take a shit on.

Just remember that those white rapists are your own ancestors. They are your family. When you condemn white people for the evils of slavery, don't forget that your own family is complicit.