Obama's citizenship- how low can our national discourse go?

[Anonymous]

At the very least Obama played up the exotic foreigner narrative in the 80s and early 90s to advance his career.

[Anonymous]

Even if Obama was born in Kenya


"In a number of situations, if you were born to parents, at least one of whom was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, you automatically gained U.S. citizenship through the process of acquisition. It does not matter whether you were born on American soil or foreign. As well, if you have children, those children will also acquire U.S. citizenship through you at their birth.

The laws regarding citizenship obtained through acquisition are some of the most complex of all of U.S. citizenship laws and take into account things like the citizenship of parents, as well as if the child was born in or outside of wedlock. This complexity has not lessened at all because Congress has made major changes to these laws throughout history. In order to determine which laws will apply to you or your child, you must first see which date range applies:

Born prior to May 24, 1934
Born between May 25, 1934 and January 12, 1941
Born between January 13, 1941 and December 23, 1952
Born between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, and
Born after November 14, 1986.:"

[Anonymous]

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And his mother was always a US citizen so, he was always a Natural Born Citizen, just like Cruz.

I believe that Obama was born in Hawaii--but the birthers have an argument against your statement. If I remember, it was that his mother was not yet 18 when he was born, or something like that. So, if he were born in a foreign country the natural born parent rule does not apply. Something like that.

Obama's first book had a couple of items that could be spun to raise suspicion--something like his mother couldn't find documents to prove his claim to part of his estate-unlike his American stepmother for her kids. However, he had earlier said that he found a clipping about his dad among papers like his birth certificate. There are several discrepancies in his book that are not helpful to dispelling the birther movement. Probably due to family lore more than deceit.

There's also the speculation that his Indonesian stepfather adopted him--he did go by Barry Sotero for many years. I don't know if that would affect anything.

It is puzzling why Obama did not release it earlier.

There is also the rumor that he applied to school as a foreign student. But then we don't know because he has never released any of his school records.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are we really still talking about whether Obama was born in the United States? This campaign season has got to be the worst in modern history. Where is any semblance of policy debate? Between Clinton's pneumonia and Trump's racist flame fanning and inane idiotic birther comments, our national discourse has really reached a new low.

You are part of the problem. Getting sick is human, and nothing whatsoever to do with national discourse or Donald Trump, racist extraordinaire. Perhaps you just wrote inartfully and meant to say you can't believe people are treating it like it's a capital crime.

OP here. The latter, yes. Clinton got sick. She's back on the campaign trail. Let's stop with the health conspiracies and focus on real policy and national security issues. Oh wait, Trump doesn't want to talk about those because he doesn't want to give his plans away to the enemy....

Hmmm.... which candidate was it that gave an economic policy speech just yesterday?
And, I totally agree with him about our military plans and national security. Our current administration has said way too much publicly in the way of their plans. Why telegraph our moves to our enemies? Yet, this same administration has been not at all transparent when it comes to domestic policies and initiatives. One has to wonder why this is.

Are you serious? Trump has no real policy agenda. He even admitted his "plan" is to gather smart people around him and then pick which of their plans he likes best. He thinks he can run the country like a hotel and casino. Which is why when he runs it into the ground he'll just declare bankruptcy and stick Americans with the debt resulting from his poor choices- like he's done to many of his contractors and business partners.

Yes, that's his plan. He would let the country default and just print more money. He doesn't understand that there's a huge difference in a country's credit rating going down the tubes vs. his business doing so.

If you're worried about the country's credit worthiness, why would you support HRC with her proposed expansion of entitlements? Obama's entitlement expansion failed to pay off as promised and worsened the country's fiscal outlook.

Maybe, but neither of their economic plans include putting our country into default like Trump's plan.

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Anonymous wrote:I honestly just can't deal with this election. I would love to hide under a rock until it is over. REALLY hope that Trump does not win, because then I may have to hide for several years.

If you support Hillary, then I pray that you do hide, for many many many years

[Anonymous]

Hillary Says Obama Is Not A Muslim "AS FAR AS I KNOW"

Cryptic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I honestly just can't deal with this election. I would love to hide under a rock until it is over. REALLY hope that Trump does not win, because then I may have to hide for several years.

If you support Hillary, then I pray that you do hide, for many many many years

Guess what? She isn't stupid or insane. Two big pros vs trump

Stupid and insane should disqualify him entirely.

[Anonymous]

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Hillary Says Obama Is Not A Muslim "AS FAR AS I KNOW"

Cryptic.

Nothing cryptic about it.
"There's no basis for that". " There's nothing to base that on".
She made it very clear. What are you smoking?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The press is bringing up the birthed debate, probably in an effort to discredit Trump since he is doing well in the polls.

Yes, why can't they bury all the stupid things Trump says?

[Anonymous]

He probably put down foreign status on his college apps to give himself a leg up re: entry, given his less than stellar academic performance.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The press is bringing up the birthed debate, probably in an effort to discredit Trump since he is doing well in the polls.

Yes, why can't they bury all the stupid things Trump says?

That's what boggles my mind - yes, I understand not wanting to vote for Hillary. But after all the insane shit that has come out of his mouth, how can a sane person support him?

Vote Johnson or write in, but otherwise-really?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He probably put down foreign status on his college apps to give himself a leg up re: entry, given his less than stellar academic performance.

Show credible proof Obama put down foreign status in college apps. Otherwise you are one of the birther supporter which makes you a racist deplorable. I don't think you are American because America doesn't stand by hate of the "other". We are the land of the Lincoln AND WE TREAT EVERY AMERICAN JUST THE SAME. Obama has an American mother, so the entire birtherism is a total lie. Nobody even questions Obama's mother is American. So the question about Obama's American citizenship CANNOT EVEN be raised. Period. Yet trump was talking about for years because he wanted to get the votes of the deplorable crowd who thinks obama is NOT AMERICAN. That is shameful and anyone who backs trump on birther issue is vile, degenerate sub humans.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He probably put down foreign status on his college apps to give himself a leg up re: entry, given his less than stellar academic performance.

Show credible proof Obama put down foreign status in college apps. Otherwise you are one of the birther supporter which makes you a racist deplorable. I don't think you are American because America doesn't stand by hate of the "other". We are the land of the Lincoln AND WE TREAT EVERY AMERICAN JUST THE SAME. Obama has an American mother, so the entire birtherism is a total lie. Nobody even questions Obama's mother is American. So the question about Obama's American citizenship CANNOT EVEN be raised. Period. Yet trump was talking about for years because he wanted to get the votes of the deplorable crowd who thinks obama is NOT AMERICAN. That is shameful and anyone who backs trump on birther issue is vile, degenerate sub humans.

Show credible proof that foreign status gives a leg up in admissions! I did a bunch of college tours this summer with my kids, and they were pretty clear that US citizens got the leg up.

[Anonymous]

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And his mother was always a US citizen so, he was always a Natural Born Citizen, just like Cruz.

I believe that Obama was born in Hawaii--but the birthers have an argument against your statement. If I remember, it was that his mother was not yet 18 when he was born, or something like that. So, if he were born in a foreign country the natural born parent rule does not apply. Something like that.

Obama's first book had a couple of items that could be spun to raise suspicion--something like his mother couldn't find documents to prove his claim to part of his estate-unlike his American stepmother for her kids. However, he had earlier said that he found a clipping about his dad among papers like his birth certificate. There are several discrepancies in his book that are not helpful to dispelling the birther movement. Probably due to family lore more than deceit.

There's also the speculation that his Indonesian stepfather adopted him--he did go by Barry Sotero for many years. I don't know if that would affect anything.

It is puzzling why Obama did not release it earlier.

There is also the rumor that he applied to school as a foreign student. But then we don't know because he has never released any of his school records.

Refresh my memory; has Donald released his taxes or any real health records? School records have never been standard, taxes and health have for decades. So where's your fury over that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This subject was originally pushed hard by the Clinton team in 2008.

Trump's loathsomeness on this is true, but it is dishonest to not acknowledging the Clinton culpability.

No, it was not pushed hard by the Clinton team in 2008. More lies from Trump. At least this time round the media isn't buying it.