Your evolution on Sanders

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My evolution to Sanders has been a direct function of my disillusionment with Clinton.

I think the thread is about how your opinion of Sanders has evolved over the course of the campaign.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My evolution to Sanders has been a direct function of my disillusionment with Clinton.

I think the thread is about how your opinion of Sanders has evolved over the course of the campaign.

Not the PP you are responding to but I don't see how that is not directly relevant to position on Sanders.

Let's face it, Hillary Clinton is the de-facto, default Democrat choice. But as the races drug on, as we sat through debates, et cetera, for some of us it occurred to us that maybe she isn't the best choice. Which in turn leads to digging into what some of the others are saying. And frankly, some of it becomes a revelation, i.e. Hillary Clinton's deep corporate and Wall Street ties vs. Sanders' messaging about getting those corporate influences out of politics.

I know you don't want anyone to talk about Clinton but sorry - that's evolution on Sanders any way you want to slice it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My evolution to Sanders has been a direct function of my disillusionment with Clinton.

I think the thread is about how your opinion of Sanders has evolved over the course of the campaign.

Not the PP you are responding to but I don't see how that is not directly relevant to position on Sanders.

Let's face it, Hillary Clinton is the de-facto, default Democrat choice. But as the races drug on, as we sat through debates, et cetera, for some of us it occurred to us that maybe she isn't the best choice. Which in turn leads to digging into what some of the others are saying. And frankly, some of it becomes a revelation, i.e. Hillary Clinton's deep corporate and Wall Street ties vs. Sanders' messaging about getting those corporate influences out of politics.

I know you don't want anyone to talk about Clinton but sorry - that's evolution on Sanders any way you want to slice it.

But none of what you wrote deals wth Sanders himself, except as the anti-Hillary. And it's just talking points, really.

Case in point: "getting corporate influences out of politics." How does Sanders propose to do that other than by overturning Citizens United, which Clinton also supports? What concrete steps will he take that she won't? I'm not snarking here. The Democratic and Republican conventions are largely funded by corporations. Is he not going to participate in the convention?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am curious if anyone else has started off liking him and considering voting for him last year, and ended up doing an 180 this year. I am left leaning independent, if that matters. He is basically in Trump territory for me now aka I change the channel when he is on. No, I am not trolling, just interested to see if this a common trend.

Sort of. I never seriously considered voting for him because I recognized right off the bat his platform was complete and utter pie-in-the-sky stuff, but I agree in principle with a lot of what he stands for. Unfortunately, his explanations of how he would accomplish his platform as president grew increasingly disingenuous over time, while the behavior of his supporters rapidly went from starry-eyed naivete to outright toddler temper tantrums. Now I'm pretty disgusted with his candidacy. More accurately, with his continued candidacy.

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Anonymous wrote:A Sanders supporter showed up at my door a few weeks ago wearing a CCCP t-shirt. It was literally all I could do to politely inform him that we're a Clinton household, but HOLY CRAP Millennials! When you are door-knocking for a self-described socialist, maybe try not to evoke mental images of famine, gulag, and bread lines.

Cool story, bro. Why not just go all out and say a Sanders supporter came to your door wearing devil's horns and carrying a pitchfork? It would be about as credible. Sorry but Sweden != USSR. And when you say stuff like "self described socialist" you out yourself as someone who no doubt voted for Ronald Reagan back in the day.

This whole thread is just pure crap posts from wanna-be bullshit artists. Don't consider quitting your career to pursue professional-grade bullshit artistry.

Congratulations, you just perfectly illustrated my point above, in bold. Good job alienating potential voters, dumbass.

The fact that you vote based on what anonymous internet posters say only reinforces the bolded.

Interesting conclusion.

And by "interesting," I of course mean "asinine."

Keep tantruming. Totally makes me want to listen to what you have to say

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My evolution to Sanders has been a direct function of my disillusionment with Clinton.

I think the thread is about how your opinion of Sanders has evolved over the course of the campaign.

Not the PP you are responding to but I don't see how that is not directly relevant to position on Sanders.

Let's face it, Hillary Clinton is the de-facto, default Democrat choice. But as the races drug on, as we sat through debates, et cetera, for some of us it occurred to us that maybe she isn't the best choice. Which in turn leads to digging into what some of the others are saying. And frankly, some of it becomes a revelation, i.e. Hillary Clinton's deep corporate and Wall Street ties vs. Sanders' messaging about getting those corporate influences out of politics.

I know you don't want anyone to talk about Clinton but sorry - that's evolution on Sanders any way you want to slice it.

But none of what you wrote deals wth Sanders himself, except as the anti-Hillary. And it's just talking points, really.

Case in point: "getting corporate influences out of politics." How does Sanders propose to do that other than by overturning Citizens United, which Clinton also supports? What concrete steps will he take that she won't? I'm not snarking here. The Democratic and Republican conventions are largely funded by corporations. Is he not going to participate in the convention?

One of the ways Sanders is aiding in the eventual overturning of Citizens United is by practicing what he preaches with respect to funding. His shining example has helped to elevate this extremely important issue, that ends up shaping all other issues.

[Anonymous]

One of the ways Sanders is aiding in the eventual overturning of Citizens United is by practicing what he preaches with respect to funding. His shining example has helped to elevate this extremely important issue, that ends up shaping all other issues.

So...how are we closer today to overturning Citizens United? Is there a court case pending? Did Sanders file it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:My evolution to Sanders has been a direct function of my disillusionment with Clinton.

I think the thread is about how your opinion of Sanders has evolved over the course of the campaign.

Not the PP you are responding to but I don't see how that is not directly relevant to position on Sanders.

Let's face it, Hillary Clinton is the de-facto, default Democrat choice. But as the races drug on, as we sat through debates, et cetera, for some of us it occurred to us that maybe she isn't the best choice. Which in turn leads to digging into what some of the others are saying. And frankly, some of it becomes a revelation, i.e. Hillary Clinton's deep corporate and Wall Street ties vs. Sanders' messaging about getting those corporate influences out of politics.

I know you don't want anyone to talk about Clinton but sorry - that's evolution on Sanders any way you want to slice it.

But none of what you wrote deals wth Sanders himself, except as the anti-Hillary. And it's just talking points, really.

Case in point: "getting corporate influences out of politics." How does Sanders propose to do that other than by overturning Citizens United, which Clinton also supports? What concrete steps will he take that she won't? I'm not snarking here. The Democratic and Republican conventions are largely funded by corporations. Is he not going to participate in the convention?

One of the ways Sanders is aiding in the eventual overturning of Citizens United is by practicing what he preaches with respect to funding. His shining example has helped to elevate this extremely important issue, that ends up shaping all other issues.

You realize that although he does not himself have a superpac, the Nurses United superpac has spent millions on his behalf. Its funding sources are not entirely clear.

[Anonymous]

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One of the ways Sanders is aiding in the eventual overturning of Citizens United is by practicing what he preaches with respect to funding. His shining example has helped to elevate this extremely important issue, that ends up shaping all other issues.

So...how are we closer today to overturning Citizens United? Is there a court case pending? Did Sanders file it?

Sanders outraised the HRC fundraising machine for several months with just small donors! A year ago nobody would've believed this was possible. Whether you like or despise him, what he's accomplished is remarkable.

[Anonymous]

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One of the ways Sanders is aiding in the eventual overturning of Citizens United is by practicing what he preaches with respect to funding. His shining example has helped to elevate this extremely important issue, that ends up shaping all other issues.

So...how are we closer today to overturning Citizens United? Is there a court case pending? Did Sanders file it?

Sanders outraised the HRC fundraising machine for several months with just small donors! A year ago nobody would've believed this was possible. Whether you like or despise him, what he's accomplished is remarkable.

We actually don't know that, because his FEC filings have so many irregularities. He has raised a tremendous amount of money from small donors, definitely, but to have so many irregularities in reporting seems unusual.

[Anonymous]

Sanders is pushing reform that threatens beltway insiders whose livelihood depends on the gravy train staying open so don't expect sympathy around these parts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

One of the ways Sanders is aiding in the eventual overturning of Citizens United is by practicing what he preaches with respect to funding. His shining example has helped to elevate this extremely important issue, that ends up shaping all other issues.

So...how are we closer today to overturning Citizens United? Is there a court case pending? Did Sanders file it?

Sanders outraised the HRC fundraising machine for several months with just small donors! A year ago nobody would've believed this was possible. Whether you like or despise him, what he's accomplished is remarkable.

We actually don't know that, because his FEC filings have so many irregularities. He has raised a tremendous amount of money from small donors, definitely, but to have so many irregularities in reporting seems unusual.

I saw an obscure blog post about this a while back, and was surprised, it didn't get more coverage if it were true.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

One of the ways Sanders is aiding in the eventual overturning of Citizens United is by practicing what he preaches with respect to funding. His shining example has helped to elevate this extremely important issue, that ends up shaping all other issues.

So...how are we closer today to overturning Citizens United? Is there a court case pending? Did Sanders file it?

Sanders outraised the HRC fundraising machine for several months with just small donors! A year ago nobody would've believed this was possible. Whether you like or despise him, what he's accomplished is remarkable.

We actually don't know that, because his FEC filings have so many irregularities. He has raised a tremendous amount of money from small donors, definitely, but to have so many irregularities in reporting seems unusual.

I saw an obscure blog post about this a while back, and was surprised, it didn't get more coverage if it were true.

It's gotten very little coverage, for some reason. The FEC sent at least three separate letters to the campaign.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

One of the ways Sanders is aiding in the eventual overturning of Citizens United is by practicing what he preaches with respect to funding. His shining example has helped to elevate this extremely important issue, that ends up shaping all other issues.

So...how are we closer today to overturning Citizens United? Is there a court case pending? Did Sanders file it?

Sanders outraised the HRC fundraising machine for several months with just small donors! A year ago nobody would've believed this was possible. Whether you like or despise him, what he's accomplished is remarkable.

....raising money from small donors doesn't get us any closer to overturning Citizens United. You made a concrete claim about how he was getting us closer. How?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sanders is pushing reform that threatens beltway insiders whose livelihood depends on the gravy train staying open so don't expect sympathy around these parts.

Sanders has spent far more on his campaign than any other candidate and spends millions of dollars each month on political consultants, the ultimate Beltway insiders. Unlike Clinton, he set no limits on commissions for those consultants. Talk about a gravy train:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sanders-is-biggest-spender-of-2016-so-far--generating-millions-for-consultants/2016/04/28/600170ce-0cf2-11e6-a6b6-2e6de3695b0e_story.html

So he's pushing for reforms to end the gravy train but didn't set any limits on his own consultants? Those Beltway insiders are making millions of dollars every month while Bernie lays off hundreds of low-level staff. Do you see the contradiction here?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

One of the ways Sanders is aiding in the eventual overturning of Citizens United is by practicing what he preaches with respect to funding. His shining example has helped to elevate this extremely important issue, that ends up shaping all other issues.

So...how are we closer today to overturning Citizens United? Is there a court case pending? Did Sanders file it?

Sanders outraised the HRC fundraising machine for several months with just small donors! A year ago nobody would've believed this was possible. Whether you like or despise him, what he's accomplished is remarkable.

....raising money from small donors doesn't get us any closer to overturning Citizens United. You made a concrete claim about how he was getting us closer. How?

Plus he's raising money from small donors to pay beltway insiders millions of dollars. Political revolution!