Charter Waitlist Data is Available!

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Anonymous wrote:Applied for pk4 and got to WL#1 at Sela and #59 at AppleTree- CH, but in that list shows 0 and 46 on the WL for each of these schools. Weird.

Was this in round 1 or after the lottery results?

I did apply after the deadline, but before April 1 (I applied on March 10), the DCPCSB site states that "the waitlist numbers published by DC PCSB are accurate as of April 1". So, it seems the wl numbers are not so accurate...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Applied for pk4 and got to WL#1 at Sela and #59 at AppleTree- CH, but in that list shows 0 and 46 on the WL for each of these schools. Weird.

Was this in round 1 or after the lottery results?

I did apply after the deadline, but before April 1 (I applied on March 10), the DCPCSB site states that "the waitlist numbers published by DC PCSB are accurate as of April 1". So, it seems the wl numbers are not so accurate...

You were a post-lottery applicant, so they are correct. I would call and ask but I'm 99.% sure I'm right. There are very few people like you . Protip: You will get into Sela.

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Anonymous wrote:Raise your hands if you just discovered you are dead last (or next to last) on every. single. waitlist.

We're pretty close to the bottom. We're one of the lowest down the WL at our IB DCPS school too. I can see the allure of NOT having an integrated lottery now. At least with separate lotteries for each charter you at least have the chance of getting a better number at some schools instead of the same crappy number for every school.

while each entrant only gets one number, I thought each number drawn for each school is random? Can anyone explain the mechanics of MS?

Watch the video on the myschooldc home page

yeah, that's not what I asked. that's just a basic primer on the lottery process. I'm talking more about the algorithim

They use a Roth-style algorithm.

(Roth won a Nobel Prize for his work showing that this style of approach maximizing results for all participants as a whole.

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/economic-sciences/laureates/2012/popular-economicsciences2012.pdf

Pretty sure that's wrong. He designed the residency matching system for docs, which takes ranking/preference into account. MSDC does not - you get one lottery number. And if it sucks, you're at the bottom of every wait list and effectively shut down (anyone who ranked the school and had a number higher than you (and didn't get in/didn't get into a higher ranked school) goes in front of you, doesn't matter if they ranked the school 12 or 1). You get shit on. Whereas the guy who gets the good number gets his top choice. And others with good numbers not only get one of their top choices, they get sweet waitlist numbers anywhere they didn't get in initially. Which means they win several times over - in at Yu Ying, sweet. You also have a low waitlist number at CMI AND ITS. Or whatever. It's not really maximizing things across the board - a residency type matching program (taking into account ranking for example) would work better for all, on average, but be far more complex. And this is definitely where an integrated lottery cuts peoples chances significantly - you really have a single chance, not 12, versus however many you might have with some separate lotteries. Are there upsides? Absolutely, but this definitely isn't one of them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Applied for pk4 and got to WL#1 at Sela and #59 at AppleTree- CH, but in that list shows 0 and 46 on the WL for each of these schools. Weird.

Was this in round 1 or after the lottery results?

I did apply after the deadline, but before April 1 (I applied on March 10), the DCPCSB site states that "the waitlist numbers published by DC PCSB are accurate as of April 1". So, it seems the wl numbers are not so accurate...

You were a post-lottery applicant, so they are correct. I would call and ask but I'm 99.% sure I'm right. There are very few people like you . Protip: You will get into Sela.

Correct. April 1 is lottery results. These would be the lottery waitlists. Not post lottery.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Raise your hands if you just discovered you are dead last (or next to last) on every. single. waitlist.

We're pretty close to the bottom. We're one of the lowest down the WL at our IB DCPS school too. I can see the allure of NOT having an integrated lottery now. At least with separate lotteries for each charter you at least have the chance of getting a better number at some schools instead of the same crappy number for every school.

while each entrant only gets one number, I thought each number drawn for each school is random? Can anyone explain the mechanics of MS?

Watch the video on the myschooldc home page

yeah, that's not what I asked. that's just a basic primer on the lottery process. I'm talking more about the algorithim

They use a Roth-style algorithm.

(Roth won a Nobel Prize for his work showing that this style of approach maximizing results for all participants as a whole.

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/economic-sciences/laureates/2012/popular-economicsciences2012.pdf

Pretty sure that's wrong. He designed the residency matching system for docs, which takes ranking/preference into account. MSDC does not - you get one lottery number. And if it sucks, you're at the bottom of every wait list and effectively shut down (anyone who ranked the school and had a number higher than you (and didn't get in/didn't get into a higher ranked school) goes in front of you, doesn't matter if they ranked the school 12 or 1). You get shit on. Whereas the guy who gets the good number gets his top choice. And others with good numbers not only get one of their top choices, they get sweet waitlist numbers anywhere they didn't get in initially. Which means they win several times over - in at Yu Ying, sweet. You also have a low waitlist number at CMI AND ITS. Or whatever. It's not really maximizing things across the board - a residency type matching program (taking into account ranking for example) would work better for all, on average, but be far more complex. And this is definitely where an integrated lottery cuts peoples chances significantly - you really have a single chance, not 12, versus however many you might have with some separate lotteries. Are there upsides? Absolutely, but this definitely isn't one of them.

There is an in depth video on the algorithm and their FAQ mentions Roth.

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Anonymous wrote:Raise your hands if you just discovered you are dead last (or next to last) on every. single. waitlist.

We're pretty close to the bottom. We're one of the lowest down the WL at our IB DCPS school too. I can see the allure of NOT having an integrated lottery now. At least with separate lotteries for each charter you at least have the chance of getting a better number at some schools instead of the same crappy number for every school.

while each entrant only gets one number, I thought each number drawn for each school is random? Can anyone explain the mechanics of MS?

Watch the video on the myschooldc home page

yeah, that's not what I asked. that's just a basic primer on the lottery process. I'm talking more about the algorithim

They use a Roth-style algorithm.

(Roth won a Nobel Prize for his work showing that this style of approach maximizing results for all participants as a whole.

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/economic-sciences/laureates/2012/popular-economicsciences2012.pdf

Pretty sure that's wrong. He designed the residency matching system for docs, which takes ranking/preference into account. MSDC does not - you get one lottery number. And if it sucks, you're at the bottom of every wait list and effectively shut down (anyone who ranked the school and had a number higher than you (and didn't get in/didn't get into a higher ranked school) goes in front of you, doesn't matter if they ranked the school 12 or 1). You get shit on. Whereas the guy who gets the good number gets his top choice. And others with good numbers not only get one of their top choices, they get sweet waitlist numbers anywhere they didn't get in initially. Which means they win several times over - in at Yu Ying, sweet. You also have a low waitlist number at CMI AND ITS. Or whatever. It's not really maximizing things across the board - a residency type matching program (taking into account ranking for example) would work better for all, on average, but be far more complex. And this is definitely where an integrated lottery cuts peoples chances significantly - you really have a single chance, not 12, versus however many you might have with some separate lotteries. Are there upsides? Absolutely, but this definitely isn't one of them.

There is an in depth video on the algorithm and their FAQ mentions Roth.

Exactly.

I said "Roth-style," because it's not exactly the same.

And MySchoolDC has said that Roth developed their algroithm.

[Anonymous]

I wonder why Washington Global has 0 on its waiting list. It is at a great location and it sounded like a great school at the open house.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wonder why Washington Global has 0 on its waiting list. It is at a great location and it sounded like a great school at the open house.

No track record. People more willing to do that for ECE not 6th grade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wonder why Washington Global has 0 on its waiting list. It is at a great location and it sounded like a great school at the open house.

No track record. People more willing to do that for ECE not 6th grade.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Raise your hands if you just discovered you are dead last (or next to last) on every. single. waitlist.

We're pretty close to the bottom. We're one of the lowest down the WL at our IB DCPS school too. I can see the allure of NOT having an integrated lottery now. At least with separate lotteries for each charter you at least have the chance of getting a better number at some schools instead of the same crappy number for every school.

while each entrant only gets one number, I thought each number drawn for each school is random? Can anyone explain the mechanics of MS?

Watch the video on the myschooldc home page

yeah, that's not what I asked. that's just a basic primer on the lottery process. I'm talking more about the algorithim

They use a Roth-style algorithm.

(Roth won a Nobel Prize for his work showing that this style of approach maximizing results for all participants as a whole.

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/economic-sciences/laureates/2012/popular-economicsciences2012.pdf

Pretty sure that's wrong. He designed the residency matching system for docs, which takes ranking/preference into account. MSDC does not - you get one lottery number. And if it sucks, you're at the bottom of every wait list and effectively shut down (anyone who ranked the school and had a number higher than you (and didn't get in/didn't get into a higher ranked school) goes in front of you, doesn't matter if they ranked the school 12 or 1). You get shit on. Whereas the guy who gets the good number gets his top choice. And others with good numbers not only get one of their top choices, they get sweet waitlist numbers anywhere they didn't get in initially. Which means they win several times over - in at Yu Ying, sweet. You also have a low waitlist number at CMI AND ITS. Or whatever. It's not really maximizing things across the board - a residency type matching program (taking into account ranking for example) would work better for all, on average, but be far more complex. And this is definitely where an integrated lottery cuts peoples chances significantly - you really have a single chance, not 12, versus however many you might have with some separate lotteries. Are there upsides? Absolutely, but this definitely isn't one of them.

The lottery distributes a scarce resource. Some get lucky some are SOL.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting to look at the relative popularity of some of the schools frequently talked about here. Here are the lists in order for PK3:

1. LAMB 548
2. MV 468
3. CMI 433
4. Two Rivers (4th) 358
5. Yu Ying 355
6. Stokes Spanish 335
7. ITS 326
8. DCB 293
9. Lee 268
10. Stokes French 230
11. SSMA 184
12. El Haynes 182
13. Two Rivers (y) 171
14. Bridges 144
15. Breakthrough 137
16. Sela 3 (can this be correct?)

You can't use LAMB's number to show for popularity. Anyone can apply to lamb and doesn't have to prioritize it.

Exactly. We only applied to LAMB because it didn't "cost" a spot. Knew we'd turn it down if we had another decent option, as we are already bilingual (ended up not winning but getting in somewhere else).

Do people really find they have more schools than they have slots? I barely filled 10 and really only wanted three.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Raise your hands if you just discovered you are dead last (or next to last) on every. single. waitlist.

We're pretty close to the bottom. We're one of the lowest down the WL at our IB DCPS school too. I can see the allure of NOT having an integrated lottery now. At least with separate lotteries for each charter you at least have the chance of getting a better number at some schools instead of the same crappy number for every school.

while each entrant only gets one number, I thought each number drawn for each school is random? Can anyone explain the mechanics of MS?

Watch the video on the myschooldc home page

yeah, that's not what I asked. that's just a basic primer on the lottery process. I'm talking more about the algorithim

They use a Roth-style algorithm.

(Roth won a Nobel Prize for his work showing that this style of approach maximizing results for all participants as a whole.

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/economic-sciences/laureates/2012/popular-economicsciences2012.pdf

Pretty sure that's wrong. He designed the residency matching system for docs, which takes ranking/preference into account. MSDC does not - you get one lottery number. And if it sucks, you're at the bottom of every wait list and effectively shut down (anyone who ranked the school and had a number higher than you (and didn't get in/didn't get into a higher ranked school) goes in front of you, doesn't matter if they ranked the school 12 or 1). You get shit on. Whereas the guy who gets the good number gets his top choice. And others with good numbers not only get one of their top choices, they get sweet waitlist numbers anywhere they didn't get in initially. Which means they win several times over - in at Yu Ying, sweet. You also have a low waitlist number at CMI AND ITS. Or whatever. It's not really maximizing things across the board - a residency type matching program (taking into account ranking for example) would work better for all, on average, but be far more complex. And this is definitely where an integrated lottery cuts peoples chances significantly - you really have a single chance, not 12, versus however many you might have with some separate lotteries. Are there upsides? Absolutely, but this definitely isn't one of them.

The lottery distributes a scarce resource. Some get lucky some are SOL.

The only positive about the common lottery is that people can't hold spots. I also feel that schools are misinformed and don't understand how the lottery works....urging parents to put their school at the top of the list to increase chances. If you get a fucked up lottery draw then your ranking doesn't even matter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Raise your hands if you just discovered you are dead last (or next to last) on every. single. waitlist.

We're pretty close to the bottom. We're one of the lowest down the WL at our IB DCPS school too. I can see the allure of NOT having an integrated lottery now. At least with separate lotteries for each charter you at least have the chance of getting a better number at some schools instead of the same crappy number for every school.

while each entrant only gets one number, I thought each number drawn for each school is random? Can anyone explain the mechanics of MS?

Watch the video on the myschooldc home page

yeah, that's not what I asked. that's just a basic primer on the lottery process. I'm talking more about the algorithim

They use a Roth-style algorithm.

(Roth won a Nobel Prize for his work showing that this style of approach maximizing results for all participants as a whole.

It is match stable algorithm, Roth developed it. Its featured in a few other school districts. Do some basic research.

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/economic-sciences/laureates/2012/popular-economicsciences2012.pdf

Pretty sure that's wrong. He designed the residency matching system for docs, which takes ranking/preference into account. MSDC does not - you get one lottery number. And if it sucks, you're at the bottom of every wait list and effectively shut down (anyone who ranked the school and had a number higher than you (and didn't get in/didn't get into a higher ranked school) goes in front of you, doesn't matter if they ranked the school 12 or 1). You get shit on. Whereas the guy who gets the good number gets his top choice. And others with good numbers not only get one of their top choices, they get sweet waitlist numbers anywhere they didn't get in initially. Which means they win several times over - in at Yu Ying, sweet. You also have a low waitlist number at CMI AND ITS. Or whatever. It's not really maximizing things across the board - a residency type matching program (taking into account ranking for example) would work better for all, on average, but be far more complex. And this is definitely where an integrated lottery cuts peoples chances significantly - you really have a single chance, not 12, versus however many you might have with some separate lotteries. Are there upsides? Absolutely, but this definitely isn't one of them.

The lottery distributes a scarce resource. Some get lucky some are SOL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting to look at the relative popularity of some of the schools frequently talked about here. Here are the lists in order for PK3:

1. LAMB 548
2. MV 468
3. CMI 433
4. Two Rivers (4th) 358
5. Yu Ying 355
6. Stokes Spanish 335
7. ITS 326
8. DCB 293
9. Lee 268
10. Stokes French 230
11. SSMA 184
12. El Haynes 182
13. Two Rivers (y) 171
14. Bridges 144
15. Breakthrough 137
16. Sela 3 (can this be correct?)

The LAMB # is irrelevent. Because they don't participate in the common lottery no one comes off that list as a result of preference.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If waitlists mean anything, it looks like some of the shine is starting to come off of Haynes and Cap City.

Overall, there are 8,640 individual students on waitlists to attend one or more participating public charter schools in the 2016-17 school year, an 1.3% increase over last year’s 8,526 students. In total 20,880 students are on a waitlist at any PK012 school, this is an increase from 18,835 last year

that would suggest an even greater increase for DCPS waitlists

Anecdotally that has been happening for the last 3-5 years. Too much competition from other charters and more interest in the local schools. Haynes used to be the go-to school for a lot of Petworth parents but now that Creative MInds is close by thats pretty much #1 for charters and lot more local families are also committed to Powell and even more into Bruce Monroe this year for spanish immersion.