Petition to Keep Centers - Hypocritical?

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Anonymous wrote:I love it when rich people try to defend what they've got by invoking their deep and abiding concern for the poors. If they really cared, they'd be lobbying for higher taxes so the AAP centers wouldn't NEED to be cut.

I'm not rich by any stretch! However, I've been lobbying for higher taxes not necessarily to help AAP Centers but to help with this whole FCPS deficit! The last town hall meeting I attended where an open session asked for input from the public. I was one of the few who spoke up about raising taxes. I was told the District Supervisors do not have the support from their constituents on raising taxes!! Most of the attendees at these meetings are people who do not have kids in FCPS. They are older people who want parks and rec funded, libraries funded, etc. So until everyone gets off their asses to attend town hall meetings speak up about raising taxes, write to their Supervisors to properly funding our schools, pay our teachers enough so they don't leave for ACPS and get at times $20k more a year, then we will continue on the same road we are currently on.

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It's interesting that you think I'm jealous. That's such an immature word choice. PPs implied that there are no patents of kids in title I schools who don't support the center model, and I was just pointing out that's not true. I guess when Spring Hill parents try to hang on to all the options, it's a fairness issue, but if a parent from a Title one school points out that those services are not available, it's jealousy. I'm just stating that facts about what is and isn't available at my child's school. As far as the rest of my neighborhood goes, they have nothing to worry about because if FCPS won't put compacted math in the school they most certainly won't put local level IV.

What's so "interesting" about that? Jealous, according to the Macmillan Dictionary of Immature Words, means "unhappy because someone has something that you would like or can do something that you would like to do".

It's still an immature word choice. As I said, when Spring Hill parents try to argue that their kids should keep all options it's a fairness issue, but Title I parents are jealous. I guess when FCPS gets rid of the center option for Spring Hill and keeps that option for title I schools the Spring Hill parents will be "jealous" if they point out that their kids don't have that option while other kids do.

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Anonymous wrote:What are you talking about? Those schools get the most money in the county. They don't languish at all. It's just that the peer group for gifted children is very small.

My kids are at a Title I school and I did not have the choice of local level IV. I also didn't have the option of compacted math for my child if we decided to skip the center and keep DC in level III. The level III differentiation was spotty at best. I don't like the center model, and would have preferred to keep my kids in local level IV. I would have also been fine with base school and compacted math because DC loves math. I had neither option, which I found frustrating because some schools have compacted math, local level IV and a center option. Not every parent with a child who qualifies wants to take their kids out of the neighborhood schools, but given the choices (or lack thereof) we picked the center. If local level IV were offered next year, there is no doubt I would put DC back at the base school. DC is doing well at the center, but the center starts later, gets out later, is not as conveniently located to our house, so playdates with classmates are also not as convenient, and I think the sense of community was better at the local school. So, I'm a Title I school parent who doesn't like the center system and would be happy with local level IV. For me, I'm more concerned about DC having access to the curriculum rather than the peer group because I think access to the curriculum is what is most important and the peer group is a bonus if available.

You seem to be advocating for level 2 services at your school for compacted math only. First, this should already be available at your school if you are looking for math one grade level above. See the attached link which has a chart showing what advanced math is open to all students. http://www.fcps.edu/is/math/elementary/. I'd start here with trying to figure out why this is not an option at your base school. I'd contact your principal, your school board member and your area administration as well as the FCPS mathematics coordinator and get them to either implement what they say is available or change their website to indicate which schools this is available for. Regarding the other subjects, have you talked to your principal and the teachers as to the availability and difficulties of implementing a full level 4 curriculum for just a couple of students? Are they on board?

Also, are you fully comfortable with doing away with the center option for your entire neighborhood and not just your child? You seem to be jealous that other schools have all these great LLIV options, however this is precisely because they have so many students that qualify for advanced instruction. Doing away with the center model would not necessarily bring the same options to your school as exists at a school like Spring Hill.

It's interesting that you think I'm jealous. That's such an immature word choice. PPs implied that there are no patents of kids in title I schools who don't support the center model, and I was just pointing out that's not true. I guess when Spring Hill parents try to hang on to all the options, it's a fairness issue, but if a parent from a Title one school points out that those services are not available, it's jealousy. I'm just stating that facts about what is and isn't available at my child's school. As far as the rest of my neighborhood goes, they have nothing to worry about because if FCPS won't put compacted math in the school they most certainly won't put local level IV.

I gave you a lot of helpful information to advocate at your base school (btw I'm not a spring hill parent) and all you can point to is your dislike of one word? I was responding to this line in your comment. " I had neither option, which I found frustrating because some schools have compacted math, local level IV and a center option." So now I'm changing my comment to your exact word. You seem to be frustrated that other schools have all these great LLIV options, however this is precisely because they have so many students that qualify for advanced instruction. There. Better?

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Compacted math is REQUIRED to be at all school per FCPS's policy. Even title 1 schools are entitled to this.

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Anonymous wrote:Compacted math is REQUIRED to be at all school per FCPS's policy. Even title 1 schools are entitled to this.

It is not in all Title I school.

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Anonymous wrote:Compacted math is REQUIRED to be at all school per FCPS's policy. Even title 1 schools are entitled to this.

It is not in all Title I school.

I am aware of this, but it is still advertised by FCPS that it is and I posted the link. PP should be able to fight to get it in her school or get FCPS to admit that they can't deliver this promise. The lack of compacted math is an implementation issue, not a policy issue.

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Anonymous wrote:What are you talking about? Those schools get the most money in the county. They don't languish at all. It's just that the peer group for gifted children is very small.

My kids are at a Title I school and I did not have the choice of local level IV. I also didn't have the option of compacted math for my child if we decided to skip the center and keep DC in level III. The level III differentiation was spotty at best. I don't like the center model, and would have preferred to keep my kids in local level IV. I would have also been fine with base school and compacted math because DC loves math. I had neither option, which I found frustrating because some schools have compacted math, local level IV and a center option. Not every parent with a child who qualifies wants to take their kids out of the neighborhood schools, but given the choices (or lack thereof) we picked the center. If local level IV were offered next year, there is no doubt I would put DC back at the base school. DC is doing well at the center, but the center starts later, gets out later, is not as conveniently located to our house, so playdates with classmates are also not as convenient, and I think the sense of community was better at the local school. So, I'm a Title I school parent who doesn't like the center system and would be happy with local level IV. For me, I'm more concerned about DC having access to the curriculum rather than the peer group because I think access to the curriculum is what is most important and the peer group is a bonus if available.

You seem to be advocating for level 2 services at your school for compacted math only. First, this should already be available at your school if you are looking for math one grade level above. See the attached link which has a chart showing what advanced math is open to all students. http://www.fcps.edu/is/math/elementary/. I'd start here with trying to figure out why this is not an option at your base school. I'd contact your principal, your school board member and your area administration as well as the FCPS mathematics coordinator and get them to either implement what they say is available or change their website to indicate which schools this is available for. Regarding the other subjects, have you talked to your principal and the teachers as to the availability and difficulties of implementing a full level 4 curriculum for just a couple of students? Are they on board?

Also, are you fully comfortable with doing away with the center option for your entire neighborhood and not just your child? You seem to be jealous that other schools have all these great LLIV options, however this is precisely because they have so many students that qualify for advanced instruction. Doing away with the center model would not necessarily bring the same options to your school as exists at a school like Spring Hill.

It's interesting that you think I'm jealous. That's such an immature word choice. PPs implied that there are no patents of kids in title I schools who don't support the center model, and I was just pointing out that's not true. I guess when Spring Hill parents try to hang on to all the options, it's a fairness issue, but if a parent from a Title one school points out that those services are not available, it's jealousy. I'm just stating that facts about what is and isn't available at my child's school. As far as the rest of my neighborhood goes, they have nothing to worry about because if FCPS won't put compacted math in the school they most certainly won't put local level IV.

I gave you a lot of helpful information to advocate at your base school (btw I'm not a spring hill parent) and all you can point to is your dislike of one word? I was responding to this line in your comment. " I had neither option, which I found frustrating because some schools have compacted math, local level IV and a center option." So now I'm changing my comment to your exact word. You seem to be frustrated that other schools have all these great LLIV options, however this is precisely because they have so many students that qualify for advanced instruction. There. Better?

This may surprise you, but I already knew all the "helpful information" you provided. While I don't like the center system, my child is served by it well enough from an academic perspective, so I don't see the point in fighting a losing battle. As I said before, I was merely pointing out that not all Title I parents like the center system as some PPs suggested. You seem very put out by the fact that I don't like centers, and I'm not sure why it bothers you so much. I also clearly said "for me...." Sorry if I upset you by having an opinion that's different than yours.

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Anonymous wrote:What are you talking about? Those schools get the most money in the county. They don't languish at all. It's just that the peer group for gifted children is very small.

My kids are at a Title I school and I did not have the choice of local level IV. I also didn't have the option of compacted math for my child if we decided to skip the center and keep DC in level III. The level III differentiation was spotty at best. I don't like the center model, and would have preferred to keep my kids in local level IV. I would have also been fine with base school and compacted math because DC loves math. I had neither option, which I found frustrating because some schools have compacted math, local level IV and a center option. Not every parent with a child who qualifies wants to take their kids out of the neighborhood schools, but given the choices (or lack thereof) we picked the center. If local level IV were offered next year, there is no doubt I would put DC back at the base school. DC is doing well at the center, but the center starts later, gets out later, is not as conveniently located to our house, so playdates with classmates are also not as convenient, and I think the sense of community was better at the local school. So, I'm a Title I school parent who doesn't like the center system and would be happy with local level IV. For me, I'm more concerned about DC having access to the curriculum rather than the peer group because I think access to the curriculum is what is most important and the peer group is a bonus if available.

You seem to be advocating for level 2 services at your school for compacted math only. First, this should already be available at your school if you are looking for math one grade level above. See the attached link which has a chart showing what advanced math is open to all students. http://www.fcps.edu/is/math/elementary/. I'd start here with trying to figure out why this is not an option at your base school. I'd contact your principal, your school board member and your area administration as well as the FCPS mathematics coordinator and get them to either implement what they say is available or change their website to indicate which schools this is available for. Regarding the other subjects, have you talked to your principal and the teachers as to the availability and difficulties of implementing a full level 4 curriculum for just a couple of students? Are they on board?

Also, are you fully comfortable with doing away with the center option for your entire neighborhood and not just your child? You seem to be jealous that other schools have all these great LLIV options, however this is precisely because they have so many students that qualify for advanced instruction. Doing away with the center model would not necessarily bring the same options to your school as exists at a school like Spring Hill.

It's interesting that you think I'm jealous. That's such an immature word choice. PPs implied that there are no patents of kids in title I schools who don't support the center model, and I was just pointing out that's not true. I guess when Spring Hill parents try to hang on to all the options, it's a fairness issue, but if a parent from a Title one school points out that those services are not available, it's jealousy. I'm just stating that facts about what is and isn't available at my child's school. As far as the rest of my neighborhood goes, they have nothing to worry about because if FCPS won't put compacted math in the school they most certainly won't put local level IV.

I gave you a lot of helpful information to advocate at your base school (btw I'm not a spring hill parent) and all you can point to is your dislike of one word? I was responding to this line in your comment. " I had neither option, which I found frustrating because some schools have compacted math, local level IV and a center option." So now I'm changing my comment to your exact word. You seem to be frustrated that other schools have all these great LLIV options, however this is precisely because they have so many students that qualify for advanced instruction. There. Better?

This may surprise you, but I already knew all the "helpful information" you provided. While I don't like the center system, my child is served by it well enough from an academic perspective, so I don't see the point in fighting a losing battle. As I said before, I was merely pointing out that not all Title I parents like the center system as some PPs suggested. You seem very put out by the fact that I don't like centers, and I'm not sure why it bothers you so much. I also clearly said "for me...." Sorry if I upset you by having an opinion that's different than yours.

You are the one who is upset and not responding in a conciliatory tone or even considering a question posed to you. I am not put out by anything other than your attacks toward me which were meant to be helpful and am open to opinions. I actually did not even give you a different opinion or refute your claims. I merely asked you one question to think about related to your opinion. "Also, are you fully comfortable with doing away with the center option for your entire neighborhood and not just your child?" and provided some helpful information in case things don't change.

Why haven't you asked for compacted math at your base school if this is all you want and you already know it should be at your base school per current policy? In all of your postings you haven't addressed this other than to say that you don't see the point in fighting a losing battle. You have an existing solution available to you that doesn't require the school board's involvement to make a policy change. Getting it at your school should not be "a losing battle" when it's existing policy especially if you've never advocated for it. Also, why are you saying your child is best served by centers from an academic perspective if all you really want is compacted math for your child? You clearly seem to be fighting for something by posting here and per your comments it's logical to read that you're fighting for the closure of centers. After all this is what the topic is about.

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And btw frustration or feelings of unfairness often leads to or is the same thing as jealousy. I'm not sure why you thought the word jealous was singling you or your school out compared to spring hill parents. It depends on the situation of course, but sometimes people are frustrated by a situation and yet still understand why there is inequality and sometimes they feel jealousy because they don't understand the inequality and think the situation is unfair. Hope that clears up that I thing feelings of unfairness are pretty much the same as jealousy. Really I wasn't trying to pick an argument by using the word.

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Anonymous wrote:What are you talking about? Those schools get the most money in the county. They don't languish at all. It's just that the peer group for gifted children is very small.

My kids are at a Title I school and I did not have the choice of local level IV. I also didn't have the option of compacted math for my child if we decided to skip the center and keep DC in level III. The level III differentiation was spotty at best. I don't like the center model, and would have preferred to keep my kids in local level IV. I would have also been fine with base school and compacted math because DC loves math. I had neither option, which I found frustrating because some schools have compacted math, local level IV and a center option. Not every parent with a child who qualifies wants to take their kids out of the neighborhood schools, but given the choices (or lack thereof) we picked the center. If local level IV were offered next year, there is no doubt I would put DC back at the base school. DC is doing well at the center, but the center starts later, gets out later, is not as conveniently located to our house, so playdates with classmates are also not as convenient, and I think the sense of community was better at the local school. So, I'm a Title I school parent who doesn't like the center system and would be happy with local level IV. For me, I'm more concerned about DC having access to the curriculum rather than the peer group because I think access to the curriculum is what is most important and the peer group is a bonus if available.

You seem to be advocating for level 2 services at your school for compacted math only. First, this should already be available at your school if you are looking for math one grade level above. See the attached link which has a chart showing what advanced math is open to all students. http://www.fcps.edu/is/math/elementary/. I'd start here with trying to figure out why this is not an option at your base school. I'd contact your principal, your school board member and your area administration as well as the FCPS mathematics coordinator and get them to either implement what they say is available or change their website to indicate which schools this is available for. Regarding the other subjects, have you talked to your principal and the teachers as to the availability and difficulties of implementing a full level 4 curriculum for just a couple of students? Are they on board?

Also, are you fully comfortable with doing away with the center option for your entire neighborhood and not just your child? You seem to be jealous that other schools have all these great LLIV options, however this is precisely because they have so many students that qualify for advanced instruction. Doing away with the center model would not necessarily bring the same options to your school as exists at a school like Spring Hill.

It's interesting that you think I'm jealous. That's such an immature word choice. PPs implied that there are no patents of kids in title I schools who don't support the center model, and I was just pointing out that's not true. I guess when Spring Hill parents try to hang on to all the options, it's a fairness issue, but if a parent from a Title one school points out that those services are not available, it's jealousy. I'm just stating that facts about what is and isn't available at my child's school. As far as the rest of my neighborhood goes, they have nothing to worry about because if FCPS won't put compacted math in the school they most certainly won't put local level IV.

I gave you a lot of helpful information to advocate at your base school (btw I'm not a spring hill parent) and all you can point to is your dislike of one word? I was responding to this line in your comment. " I had neither option, which I found frustrating because some schools have compacted math, local level IV and a center option." So now I'm changing my comment to your exact word. You seem to be frustrated that other schools have all these great LLIV options, however this is precisely because they have so many students that qualify for advanced instruction. There. Better?

This may surprise you, but I already knew all the "helpful information" you provided. While I don't like the center system, my child is served by it well enough from an academic perspective, so I don't see the point in fighting a losing battle. As I said before, I was merely pointing out that not all Title I parents like the center system as some PPs suggested. You seem very put out by the fact that I don't like centers, and I'm not sure why it bothers you so much. I also clearly said "for me...." Sorry if I upset you by having an opinion that's different than yours.

PP, there is one (possibly two) very aggressive and defensive posters who can't stand it when anyone expresses a dislike of centers. And it's especially upsetting to this person when they read an articulate, well-written argument regarding the absurdity of centers. Just ignore. There are plenty of us who feel the way you do about centers.

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Anonymous wrote:What are you talking about? Those schools get the most money in the county. They don't languish at all. It's just that the peer group for gifted children is very small.

My kids are at a Title I school and I did not have the choice of local level IV. I also didn't have the option of compacted math for my child if we decided to skip the center and keep DC in level III. The level III differentiation was spotty at best. I don't like the center model, and would have preferred to keep my kids in local level IV. I would have also been fine with base school and compacted math because DC loves math. I had neither option, which I found frustrating because some schools have compacted math, local level IV and a center option. Not every parent with a child who qualifies wants to take their kids out of the neighborhood schools, but given the choices (or lack thereof) we picked the center. If local level IV were offered next year, there is no doubt I would put DC back at the base school. DC is doing well at the center, but the center starts later, gets out later, is not as conveniently located to our house, so playdates with classmates are also not as convenient, and I think the sense of community was better at the local school. So, I'm a Title I school parent who doesn't like the center system and would be happy with local level IV. For me, I'm more concerned about DC having access to the curriculum rather than the peer group because I think access to the curriculum is what is most important and the peer group is a bonus if available.

You seem to be advocating for level 2 services at your school for compacted math only. First, this should already be available at your school if you are looking for math one grade level above. See the attached link which has a chart showing what advanced math is open to all students. http://www.fcps.edu/is/math/elementary/. I'd start here with trying to figure out why this is not an option at your base school. I'd contact your principal, your school board member and your area administration as well as the FCPS mathematics coordinator and get them to either implement what they say is available or change their website to indicate which schools this is available for. Regarding the other subjects, have you talked to your principal and the teachers as to the availability and difficulties of implementing a full level 4 curriculum for just a couple of students? Are they on board?

Also, are you fully comfortable with doing away with the center option for your entire neighborhood and not just your child? You seem to be jealous that other schools have all these great LLIV options, however this is precisely because they have so many students that qualify for advanced instruction. Doing away with the center model would not necessarily bring the same options to your school as exists at a school like Spring Hill.

It's interesting that you think I'm jealous. That's such an immature word choice. PPs implied that there are no patents of kids in title I schools who don't support the center model, and I was just pointing out that's not true. I guess when Spring Hill parents try to hang on to all the options, it's a fairness issue, but if a parent from a Title one school points out that those services are not available, it's jealousy. I'm just stating that facts about what is and isn't available at my child's school. As far as the rest of my neighborhood goes, they have nothing to worry about because if FCPS won't put compacted math in the school they most certainly won't put local level IV.

I gave you a lot of helpful information to advocate at your base school (btw I'm not a spring hill parent) and all you can point to is your dislike of one word? I was responding to this line in your comment. " I had neither option, which I found frustrating because some schools have compacted math, local level IV and a center option." So now I'm changing my comment to your exact word. You seem to be frustrated that other schools have all these great LLIV options, however this is precisely because they have so many students that qualify for advanced instruction. There. Better?

This may surprise you, but I already knew all the "helpful information" you provided. While I don't like the center system, my child is served by it well enough from an academic perspective, so I don't see the point in fighting a losing battle. As I said before, I was merely pointing out that not all Title I parents like the center system as some PPs suggested. You seem very put out by the fact that I don't like centers, and I'm not sure why it bothers you so much. I also clearly said "for me...." Sorry if I upset you by having an opinion that's different than yours.

PP, there is one (possibly two) very aggressive and defensive posters who can't stand it when anyone discusses the benefits ofcenters. And it's especially upsetting to this person when they read an articulate, well-written argument regarding the role Centers okay in educating gifted kids. Just ignore. There are plenty of us who feel the way you do about centers.

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Anonymous wrote:What are you talking about? Those schools get the most money in the county. They don't languish at all. It's just that the peer group for gifted children is very small.

My kids are at a Title I school and I did not have the choice of local level IV. I also didn't have the option of compacted math for my child if we decided to skip the center and keep DC in level III. The level III differentiation was spotty at best. I don't like the center model, and would have preferred to keep my kids in local level IV. I would have also been fine with base school and compacted math because DC loves math. I had neither option, which I found frustrating because some schools have compacted math, local level IV and a center option. Not every parent with a child who qualifies wants to take their kids out of the neighborhood schools, but given the choices (or lack thereof) we picked the center. If local level IV were offered next year, there is no doubt I would put DC back at the base school. DC is doing well at the center, but the center starts later, gets out later, is not as conveniently located to our house, so playdates with classmates are also not as convenient, and I think the sense of community was better at the local school. So, I'm a Title I school parent who doesn't like the center system and would be happy with local level IV. For me, I'm more concerned about DC having access to the curriculum rather than the peer group because I think access to the curriculum is what is most important and the peer group is a bonus if available.

You seem to be advocating for level 2 services at your school for compacted math only. First, this should already be available at your school if you are looking for math one grade level above. See the attached link which has a chart showing what advanced math is open to all students. http://www.fcps.edu/is/math/elementary/. I'd start here with trying to figure out why this is not an option at your base school. I'd contact your principal, your school board member and your area administration as well as the FCPS mathematics coordinator and get them to either implement what they say is available or change their website to indicate which schools this is available for. Regarding the other subjects, have you talked to your principal and the teachers as to the availability and difficulties of implementing a full level 4 curriculum for just a couple of students? Are they on board?

Also, are you fully comfortable with doing away with the center option for your entire neighborhood and not just your child? You seem to be jealous that other schools have all these great LLIV options, however this is precisely because they have so many students that qualify for advanced instruction. Doing away with the center model would not necessarily bring the same options to your school as exists at a school like Spring Hill.

It's interesting that you think I'm jealous. That's such an immature word choice. PPs implied that there are no patents of kids in title I schools who don't support the center model, and I was just pointing out that's not true. I guess when Spring Hill parents try to hang on to all the options, it's a fairness issue, but if a parent from a Title one school points out that those services are not available, it's jealousy. I'm just stating that facts about what is and isn't available at my child's school. As far as the rest of my neighborhood goes, they have nothing to worry about because if FCPS won't put compacted math in the school they most certainly won't put local level IV.

I gave you a lot of helpful information to advocate at your base school (btw I'm not a spring hill parent) and all you can point to is your dislike of one word? I was responding to this line in your comment. " I had neither option, which I found frustrating because some schools have compacted math, local level IV and a center option." So now I'm changing my comment to your exact word. You seem to be frustrated that other schools have all these great LLIV options, however this is precisely because they have so many students that qualify for advanced instruction. There. Better?

This may surprise you, but I already knew all the "helpful information" you provided. While I don't like the center system, my child is served by it well enough from an academic perspective, so I don't see the point in fighting a losing battle. As I said before, I was merely pointing out that not all Title I parents like the center system as some PPs suggested. You seem very put out by the fact that I don't like centers, and I'm not sure why it bothers you so much. I also clearly said "for me...." Sorry if I upset you by having an opinion that's different than yours.

PP, there is one (possibly two) very aggressive and defensive posters who can't stand it when anyone expresses a dislike of centers. And it's especially upsetting to this person when they read an articulate, well-written argument regarding the absurdity of centers. Just ignore. There are plenty of us who feel the way you do about centers.

The above is not a well written argument about the absurdity of centers. It's a discussion from one person who wishes they had compacted math at their school. And this person can't seem to even bring themselves to advocate to have it when it's required by FCPS policy. It's the same thing as someone regretting that there is no art program at their school per a principal's decision, but seeing that art is required at their school like all other schools and still not doing anything about the situation. I was not rude and I'm not defensive and I'm certainly not aggressive and I did not attack the person at all. I gave help and I was called immature because of the use of a word they didn't like. I was attacked by her. The person didn't even consider the advice given nor will they follow it. They will just complain.

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And her main complaint about the center is that she doesn't like the time it starts at. If the time were earlier, I wonder if she'd even bother complaining.