Turkish People Boo moment of Silence for Paris, Chant Allah Akbar

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Ok, so do you have links to a video that had audio of someone screaming Muslims suck?

Yes, go to this page:

http://deadspin.com/aaron-rodgers-criticizes-packers-fan-who-screamed-musl-1742763512

It's the first video.

So now we are having moral relativism between someone who yelled ISIS sucks versus a crowd cheering ISIS? Don't get me wrong, its classless to yell anything in a moment of silence. But there is a difference between someone yelling "God Bless America" and "Heil Hitler" and if you don't see the difference here, I don't think we can even have a reasonable debate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Very strange that people are taking the behavior of soccer hooligans as a microcosm that faithfully reflects the macrocosm of an entire country. By that standard, the UK is the most hateful country in the world.

No, by that standard, the UK showed its full support to France and condemnation of the Paris terrorist actions. During the recent France-England match UK soccer hooligans sang the Marseillaise, no less!

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Ok, so do you have links to a video that had audio of someone screaming Muslims suck?

Yes, go to this page:

http://deadspin.com/aaron-rodgers-criticizes-packers-fan-who-screamed-musl-1742763512

It's the first video.

So now we are having moral relativism between someone who yelled ISIS sucks versus a crowd cheering ISIS? Don't get me wrong, its classless to yell anything in a moment of silence. But there is a difference between someone yelling "God Bless America" and "Heil Hitler" and if you don't see the difference here, I don't think we can even have a reasonable debate.

What the hell are you talking about? A poster asked if I had a link and I provided one. If you want to debate straw man, go someplace else. I didn't say anything about the relativism of the two events. If you can't follow a simple thread, go watch Youtube videos or something. Maybe easier for you.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:What a strange post. Those are Turks, not Syrian refugees. Turkey is supporting many of the Jihadists who are the cause of the refugee problem in the first place. That's almost like blaming Palestinians for something the Israelis do.

Anti-western pro-jihad attitudes are wide spread among our Muslim allies in Turkey. But rejected by 100% of Syrians. Got it.

Pew research shows the vast majority of middle eastern muslims favor imposition of Sharia Law. But of course, this wouldn't apply the that bastion of secular liberalism that is Syria.

Syria actually is, or was, secular. I think it's a good bet that people fleeing jihadists are not fans of jihad. But go ahead and keep banking on stereotypes.

A lot of people fleeing Syria are fleeing the actions of the Syrian army and air force. For the most part regime loyalists fleeing rebel areas go to regime held areas (unlike rebel held areas they are not subject to aerial bombardment)

I am not suggesting refugees are jihadists, merely pointing out there have been atrocities on the govt side of the conflict.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:What a strange post. Those are Turks, not Syrian refugees. Turkey is supporting many of the Jihadists who are the cause of the refugee problem in the first place. That's almost like blaming Palestinians for something the Israelis do.

Anti-western pro-jihad attitudes are wide spread among our Muslim allies in Turkey. But rejected by 100% of Syrians. Got it.

Pew research shows the vast majority of middle eastern muslims favor imposition of Sharia Law. But of course, this wouldn't apply the that bastion of secular liberalism that is Syria.

Syria actually is, or was, secular. I think it's a good bet that people fleeing jihadists are not fans of jihad. But go ahead and keep banking on stereotypes.

A lot of people fleeing Syria are fleeing the actions of the Syrian army and air force. For the most part regime loyalists fleeing rebel areas go to regime held areas (unlike rebel held areas they are not subject to aerial bombardment)

I am not suggesting refugees are jihadists, merely pointing out there have been atrocities on the govt side of the conflict.

I think we are in agreement that the refugees are mostly fleeing rebel held areas. If you further agree that most of the rebels are Jihadists, then the refugees are fleeing Jihadi-held areas. If they were good Jihadis, they would stay and let Allah protect them. So, at the very least, they are bad Jihadis.

[Muslima]

http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/an-explanation-for-why-turkey-fans-appeared-to-boo-minutes-silence-for-paris-attack-victims/

Exactly what my friend said yesterday about this, this has bern blown way out of proportions.

clear: In Turkey (especially at football matches) a one minute silence is always used to chant for those who died in terrorist attacks.

And what they are chanting is this “?ehitler ölmez, vatan bölünmez”. Translation: “Martyrs, they do not die (they are immortal), homeland (land, our land) is indivisible.”

That is a habit from our past with the terrorist organisation PKK. More than 30,000 of our citizens died over the past 30 years by the PKK (including babies, women, children, teachers, officers, doctors, students and soldiers).

In any event, after PKK terrorists kill someone in Turkey, people chant this. Below is a proof from one Turkish Premier League match:

Same slogan “?ehitler ölmez, vatan bölünmez”.

And also, they booed the terrorist, not the victims. Any victims of terrorism are accepted as martyrs in Turkish culture. There is no disrespect to them, there has not been, there will not be.

[Anonymous]

Muslima wrote:http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/an-explanation-for-why-turkey-fans-appeared-to-boo-minutes-silence-for-paris-attack-victims/

Exactly what my friend said yesterday about this, this has bern blown way out of proportions.

clear: In Turkey (especially at football matches) a one minute silence is always used to chant for those who died in terrorist attacks.

And what they are chanting is this “?ehitler ölmez, vatan bölünmez”. Translation: “Martyrs, they do not die (they are immortal), homeland (land, our land) is indivisible.”

That is a habit from our past with the terrorist organisation PKK. More than 30,000 of our citizens died over the past 30 years by the PKK (including babies, women, children, teachers, officers, doctors, students and soldiers).

In any event, after PKK terrorists kill someone in Turkey, people chant this. Below is a proof from one Turkish Premier League match:

Same slogan “?ehitler ölmez, vatan bölünmez”.

And also, they booed the terrorist, not the victims. Any victims of terrorism are accepted as martyrs in Turkish culture. There is no disrespect to them, there has not been, there will not be.

What about the Allah Akbar chanting you can hear on the video?

Here's what I don't get - most non-lunatics recognize most muslims are regular people who want what we all want - a place to work and raise their family in peace and security. But why not recognize that a small but not insignificant portion of the muslim world has been poisoned by radical interpretations of the Koran who carry out violence in the name of religion (whose violence affects predominantly Muslims).

That is the concern of people in objection to Syrian resettlement here - we know most Syrians are great people but even if 2% believe in poisonous interpretations of the Koran, that small number can inflict huge violence. There are clearly a small but very vocal contingent of Turkish soccer fans that support what ISIS did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/an-explanation-for-why-turkey-fans-appeared-to-boo-minutes-silence-for-paris-attack-victims/

Exactly what my friend said yesterday about this, this has bern blown way out of proportions.

clear: In Turkey (especially at football matches) a one minute silence is always used to chant for those who died in terrorist attacks.

And what they are chanting is this “?ehitler ölmez, vatan bölünmez”. Translation: “Martyrs, they do not die (they are immortal), homeland (land, our land) is indivisible.”

That is a habit from our past with the terrorist organisation PKK. More than 30,000 of our citizens died over the past 30 years by the PKK (including babies, women, children, teachers, officers, doctors, students and soldiers).

In any event, after PKK terrorists kill someone in Turkey, people chant this. Below is a proof from one Turkish Premier League match:

Same slogan “?ehitler ölmez, vatan bölünmez”.

And also, they booed the terrorist, not the victims. Any victims of terrorism are accepted as martyrs in Turkish culture. There is no disrespect to them, there has not been, there will not be.

What about the Allah Akbar chanting you can hear on the video?

Here's what I don't get - most non-lunatics recognize most muslims are regular people who want what we all want - a place to work and raise their family in peace and security. But why not recognize that a small but not insignificant portion of the muslim world has been poisoned by radical interpretations of the Koran who carry out violence in the name of religion (whose violence affects predominantly Muslims).

That is the concern of people in objection to Syrian resettlement here - we know most Syrians are great people but even if 2% believe in poisonous interpretations of the Koran, that small number can inflict huge violence. There are clearly a small but very vocal contingent of Turkish soccer fans that support what ISIS did.

Yup. And it is very disappointing. I have loved visiting Turkey in the past but my affinity is waning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3322708/Turkey-supporters-boo-minute-s-silence-victims-Paris-attacks-prior-team-s-friendly-against-Greece-Istanbul.html

But please believe us when we assure you all these asylum seekers love America and denounce terrorism. This from our ally.

What you expressed in this forum is SO misleading and the furthest thing from the truth. Turks were saying that the country won't be divided to show their support. Turkey has suffered many terrorist attacks in the past, and couple months ago more than 100 people were killed by ISIS in the capital of Turkey. So sad to read people try to guide others wrongly. Native Turkish speaker and a proud Turk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3322708/Turkey-supporters-boo-minute-s-silence-victims-Paris-attacks-prior-team-s-friendly-against-Greece-Istanbul.html

But please believe us when we assure you all these asylum seekers love America and denounce terrorism. This from our ally.

What you expressed in this forum is SO misleading and the furthest thing from the truth. Turks were saying that the country won't be divided to show their support. Turkey has suffered many terrorist attacks in the past, and couple months ago more than 100 people were killed by ISIS in the capital of Turkey. So sad to read people try to guide others wrongly. Native Turkish speaker and a proud Turk.

Can you please explain what is misleading? I love Turkey/many great visits. Was what was shoutied at the soccer stadium a show of support and solidarity for Paris victims? Please explain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3322708/Turkey-supporters-boo-minute-s-silence-victims-Paris-attacks-prior-team-s-friendly-against-Greece-Istanbul.html

But please believe us when we assure you all these asylum seekers love America and denounce terrorism. This from our ally.

What you expressed in this forum is SO misleading and the furthest thing from the truth. Turks were saying that the country won't be divided to show their support. Turkey has suffered many terrorist attacks in the past, and couple months ago more than 100 people were killed by ISIS in the capital of Turkey. So sad to read people try to guide others wrongly. Native Turkish speaker and a proud Turk.

Right. Allah Akbar means something else.

Why is it so hard for middle eastern muslims to admit they have a cancer in their midst. Seriously, as bad as France is, this cancer of radical islam is destroying muslims far worse. Is it because it would require admitting that a literal reading of the Koran is violent? That the west is not the actual cause of misery in the middle east? I don't get it.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3322708/Turkey-supporters-boo-minute-s-silence-victims-Paris-attacks-prior-team-s-friendly-against-Greece-Istanbul.html

But please believe us when we assure you all these asylum seekers love America and denounce terrorism. This from our ally.

What you expressed in this forum is SO misleading and the furthest thing from the truth. Turks were saying that the country won't be divided to show their support. Turkey has suffered many terrorist attacks in the past, and couple months ago more than 100 people were killed by ISIS in the capital of Turkey. So sad to read people try to guide others wrongly. Native Turkish speaker and a proud Turk.

Right. Allah Akbar means something else.

Why is it so hard for middle eastern muslims to admit they have a cancer in their midst. Seriously, as bad as France is, this cancer of radical islam is destroying muslims far worse. Is it because it would require admitting that a literal reading of the Koran is violent? That the west is not the actual cause of misery in the middle east? I don't get it.

Allah Akbar means "God is Great". I'm not sure what is inherently bad about saying that. Nevertheless, in the video I watched, I didn't hear anyone yelling Allah Akbar. That could very well be someone's use of artistic license.

[Anonymous]

And its also what people say right before they blow themselves (and often others) up..just saying.

[Anonymous]

As described by another viewer:
Turkey (especially at football matches) a one minute silence is always used to express sorrow for those who died in terrorist attacks. These happens during national football matches as well. On that video, the crowd said that the country won't be divided and those that are killed in terrorist attacks will stay in our hearts. It is a way of Turkish people showing their support to the countries who suffer from terrorist attacks, like in Turkey. We lost many people to terrorist attacks and continue to suffer like others. Please try to understand the culture before you put a wrongful information on a website. Thanks and peace from Turkey.

[Anonymous]

As some people twist to try to excuse this, the Turkish manager speaks the truth:

“These whistles damage the image of our country. There were two matches on Tuesday canceled because of this terror. This is not child’s play. Terrorist threats are very serious. We must think. We can not remain passive in our country facing what is happening. It’s not us. You realize there is not even a minute’s silence. My God. I cannot justify what happened. But if we act together, we can prevent the sport from being sacrificed to terrorism.”

http://screamer.deadspin.com/why-did-turkish-soccer-fans-boo-during-a-moment-of-sile-1743341724