Turkish People Boo moment of Silence for Paris, Chant Allah Akbar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:
What a strange post. Those are Turks, not Syrian refugees. Turkey is supporting many of the Jihadists who are the cause of the refugee problem in the first place. That's almost like blaming Palestinians for something the Israelis do.


Anti-western pro-jihad attitudes are wide spread among our Muslim allies in Turkey. But rejected by 100% of Syrians. Got it.

Pew research shows the vast majority of middle eastern muslims favor imposition of Sharia Law. But of course, this wouldn't apply the that bastion of secular liberalism that is Syria.

Studies show a vast majority of republicans want to impose their religion on all Americans. That's all we need more westboro baptist church members.

Westboro Baptist church, as repugnant as they may be, have never committed murderous acts. At worst, they express disgusting, yet free speech and coercion among their own but have brought no actual physical harm to others. The same cannot be said of radical Muslims.

[Anonymous]

Here's some actual data on what people in the middle east think
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/17/in-nations-with-significant-muslim-populations-much-disdain-for-isis/

I would guess that the general Syrian population would resemble Jordan or Lebanon in their opinions.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Here's some actual data on what people in the middle east think
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/17/in-nations-with-significant-muslim-populations-much-disdain-for-isis/

LOL. Pakistanis don't trust the person asking the question and aren't sure what answer is expected. Ergo, 62% never even heard of ISIS let alone formed an opinion.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:What a strange post. Those are Turks, not Syrian refugees. Turkey is supporting many of the Jihadists who are the cause of the refugee problem in the first place. That's almost like blaming Palestinians for something the Israelis do.

Not the OP, but I think what she is trying to highlight is how common the pro-Jihadist, anti-western sentiment is among Muslims.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:What a strange post. Those are Turks, not Syrian refugees. Turkey is supporting many of the Jihadists who are the cause of the refugee problem in the first place. That's almost like blaming Palestinians for something the Israelis do.

Not the OP, but I think what she is trying to highlight is how common the pro-Jihadist, anti-western sentiment is among Muslims.

What is happening in a stadium full of Turks is not reflective of anyone other than the Turks in that stadium. There are 1.4 billion Muslims in the world. Surprisingly, they don't all think the same.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:What a strange post. Those are Turks, not Syrian refugees. Turkey is supporting many of the Jihadists who are the cause of the refugee problem in the first place. That's almost like blaming Palestinians for something the Israelis do.

Not the OP, but I think what she is trying to highlight is how common the pro-Jihadist, anti-western sentiment is among Muslims.

What is happening in a stadium full of Turks is not reflective of anyone other than the Turks in that stadium. There are 1.4 billion Muslims in the world. Surprisingly, they don't all think the same.

Yes, we know they don't all think the same, but many people find it shocking and unsettling that there are that many people in Turkey ( or anywhere) that hold such views. Especially when Turkey is perceived to be a somewhat more moderate Muslim country

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:What a strange post. Those are Turks, not Syrian refugees. Turkey is supporting many of the Jihadists who are the cause of the refugee problem in the first place. That's almost like blaming Palestinians for something the Israelis do.

Not the OP, but I think what she is trying to highlight is how common the pro-Jihadist, anti-western sentiment is among Muslims.

What is happening in a stadium full of Turks is not reflective of anyone other than the Turks in that stadium. There are 1.4 billion Muslims in the world. Surprisingly, they don't all think the same.

Yes, we know they don't all think the same, but many people find it shocking and unsettling that there are that many people in Turkey ( or anywhere) that hold such views. Especially when Turkey is perceived to be a somewhat more moderate Muslim country

It would only be shocking to those who haven't been following developments in Turkey. The Turks have been supporting the Jihadist groups. The current government is Islamist. Kurds have a big presence in France and have been demonstrating against Turkey. At any rate, feel free to criticize the Turks all you want. It just doesn't have anything to do with the refugees who are fleeing the Jihadists, not supporting them.

[Anonymous]

The Daily Mail is a conservative rag. Did an idiot or a few chant or shout something at a football match? Undoubtedly. Look at all the racist crap yelled all the time at football matches, violence and other appalling behavior. Dog bites man.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff, I don't get your argument. Are you saying the reason that women are oppressed, Jews are hated and gays are under fear of death in all middle eastern muslim countries has nothing to do with the beliefs of the people who live there? Or is it that you think these people will immediately shed this upon entry to our country?

I think you are trying to change the topic now that it is clear that nobody is buying what you are selling.

Well, the majority of Americans are buying what I am selling, and all I am selling is a healthy dose of skepticism of the wisdom of the U.S. importing large numbers of people who hold anti-western beliefs. I suppose I am biased in that I have a lot of Jewish friends and considering there is not a single Muslim majority country where jews can freely practice their religion. But of course, that is racist to point out.

Really?

Well, Muslima, it would help your point if you could name one.

I am not Muslima, but both Turkey and Iran have Jewish communities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here's some actual data on what people in the middle east think
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/17/in-nations-with-significant-muslim-populations-much-disdain-for-isis/

I would guess that the general Syrian population would resemble Jordan or Lebanon in their opinions.

And 70%+ of Jordanians support imposition of Sharia law.

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/

Let me suggest that those of us with security concerns don't perceive that middle eastern refugees taking up arms upon entry is the primary concern. It's more that we see Europe's abject failure to assimilate their Muslim communities and the security threat to their civilization as a result. Regardless of the fact the vast majority of Syrian refugees are anti-Isis, the majority also hold very deep Islamic values that are totally incompatible with Western Secular values. If we can assimilate them properly to throw off their cultural identity, accept pluralism, the right to insult prophets, the rights of women to wear whatever they want, then we will continue the American success story of Muslim integration. If we allow uncontrolled flow on Middle Eastern Immigration without strong assimilation, we will meet the same fate as Europe.

Pretending we are letting people in who celebrate western secularism, love the Jews, believe women are equal, do not have a strong sense of Muslim identity, is totally contradicted by data.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Daily Mail is a conservative rag. Did an idiot or a few chant or shout something at a football match? Undoubtedly. Look at all the racist crap yelled all the time at football matches, violence and other appalling behavior. Dog bites man.

Watch the video. Not a few people chanting. Resounding boos. Loud choruses of Allah Akbar. But sure, believe its just a few bad apples that are confined to Turkish Soccer matches.

[Anonymous]

Disgusting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's some actual data on what people in the middle east think
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/17/in-nations-with-significant-muslim-populations-much-disdain-for-isis/

I would guess that the general Syrian population would resemble Jordan or Lebanon in their opinions.

And 70%+ of Jordanians support imposition of Sharia law.

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/

Let me suggest that those of us with security concerns don't perceive that middle eastern refugees taking up arms upon entry is the primary concern. It's more that we see Europe's abject failure to assimilate their Muslim communities and the security threat to their civilization as a result. Regardless of the fact the vast majority of Syrian refugees are anti-Isis, the majority also hold very deep Islamic values that are totally incompatible with Western Secular values. If we can assimilate them properly to throw off their cultural identity, accept pluralism, the right to insult prophets, the rights of women to wear whatever they want, then we will continue the American success story of Muslim integration. If we allow uncontrolled flow on Middle Eastern Immigration without strong assimilation, we will meet the same fate as Europe.

Pretending we are letting people in who celebrate western secularism, love the Jews, believe women are equal, do not have a strong sense of Muslim identity, is totally contradicted by data.

Am definitely wondering how the Sharia law question was posed. The fact is pretty much all the Arab countries have Sharia law for matters of civil status--that is, the laws governing marriage, inheritance, etc. If you are a Christian in those countries, civil status matters are in the hands of the churches. And this state of affairs is very widely supported by all.

But the vast majority of these countries have a legal code not based on Sharia law for criminal matters and other areas of life subject to law like business. As far as I know that is widely supported as well. So did the poll distinguish between matters of civil status vs. the entire legal system?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here's some actual data on what people in the middle east think
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/17/in-nations-with-significant-muslim-populations-much-disdain-for-isis/

I would guess that the general Syrian population would resemble Jordan or Lebanon in their opinions.

Pew is a reliable source. That chart is frightening as to Pakistan due to the percentage. Also frightening as to Indonesia due to size of its population.

[Anonymous]

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The support in Pakistan is 9 percent, but it looks like the vast majority have no clue what ISIS is. In Indonesia, the support is 4 percent, with a sizable number showing they don't know.

The chart shows that countries with large Muslim populations are overwhelming against ISIS.