Schools cause PoP to leave Petworth

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Anonymous wrote:What if you hadn't gotten into a good charter?

At least we would have tried - not just given up and moved to suburbia.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought that was Forest Hills. North Cleveland Park could be Eaton.

No, Eaton is the Cleveland Park neighborhood elem school.

Forest Hills has these boundaries - Connecticut to the west, Rock Creek Park to the east, Nebraska/Broad Branch to north and Soapstone Valley to the south.

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He's moved in bounds for Hearst.

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Anonymous wrote:What neighborhood exactly is "North Cleveland Park" and which school serves it?

The Post, where that article about PoP appears, doesn't know its neighborhood boundaries very well. It gets sloppy with labeling in other words.

With that said, North Cleveland Park is an actual place, north of Rodman (<-- Rodman St. being the boundary of the CP historic district) and south of Albemarle St NW. East/West boundaries are ~ Wisconsin and Connecticut. They go to Hearst and Murch (but the DCPS-drawn line moved and then moved again). Maybe a little Janney on the west edge, depending how you define NCP.


The triangle neighborhood above that is Wakefield, and that's what the property deeds say. It's not "Van Ness" or north cleveland park or tenleytown or whatever the branding dorks say this year. They go to Murch

We live on Van Ness at Connec Ave (zoned for Hearst) and on our apt purchasing papers it says Forest Hills.

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Anonymous wrote:What neighborhood exactly is "North Cleveland Park" and which school serves it?

The triangle neighborhood above Albemarle is Wakefield, and that's what the property deeds say. It's not "Van Ness" or north cleveland park or tenleytown or whatever the branding dorks say this year. They go to Murch

We live on Van Ness at Connec Ave (zoned for Hearst) and on our apt purchasing papers it says Forest Hills.

In Van Ness South/East/North? Okay, that pod of condos is kind of an island unto itself. the SFHs on the west side of Connecticut near Van Ness are not Forest Hills.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, he was rezoned from Powell to Bruce Monroe. (We were too, and there is honestly no way I'd send my kid there either.)

Strange to imply that the schools are that different, they are very similar, with similar demographics. A few years ago Bruce Monroe had better test scores. Don't have a kid in either school but Powell is not that much better than Bruce Monroe. And Bruce Monroe now has a new, young, dynamic principal.

Powell has higher test scores, a lower percentage of English Language learners, and its percentage of whites+asians+mixed race is three times that of bruce monroe. I do not know if those are related to DS's concerns, but that stood out for me comparing the profiles.

This is funny. Bruce Monroe has a white population of 2%, at Powell it's 5%. Whites+asians+mixed race is 3% compared to 8%. Give me a break, compared to a WOTP school, or a school in the rest of the country, their demographics are very similar. 11% black (powell), 19% black at bruce Monroe, similar Hispanic populations.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, it'd be particularly disheartening for someone in bound for bruce monroe to have their school publicly crapped on by the face of gentrification because it's "not as good as powell" or something like that.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, he was rezoned from Powell to Bruce Monroe. (We were too, and there is honestly no way I'd send my kid there either.)

Strange to imply that the schools are that different, they are very similar, with similar demographics. A few years ago Bruce Monroe had better test scores. Don't have a kid in either school but Powell is not that much better than Bruce Monroe. And Bruce Monroe now has a new, young, dynamic principal.

Powell has higher test scores, a lower percentage of English Language learners, and its percentage of whites+asians+mixed race is three times that of bruce monroe. I do not know if those are related to DS's concerns, but that stood out for me comparing the profiles.

This is funny. Bruce Monroe has a white population of 2%, at Powell it's 5%. Whites+asians+mixed race is 3% compared to 8%. Give me a break, compared to a WOTP school, or a school in the rest of the country, their demographics are very similar. 11% black (powell), 19% black at bruce Monroe, similar Hispanic populations.

That is the difference between your kid being the only one who is not black or hispanic in a classroom, or one of two or three. When I see something that is double or triple something else, that stands out, even if the percentage is still small.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, he was rezoned from Powell to Bruce Monroe. (We were too, and there is honestly no way I'd send my kid there either.)

Strange to imply that the schools are that different, they are very similar, with similar demographics. A few years ago Bruce Monroe had better test scores. Don't have a kid in either school but Powell is not that much better than Bruce Monroe. And Bruce Monroe now has a new, young, dynamic principal.

Powell has higher test scores, a lower percentage of English Language learners, and its percentage of whites+asians+mixed race is three times that of bruce monroe. I do not know if those are related to DS's concerns, but that stood out for me comparing the profiles.

This is funny. Bruce Monroe has a white population of 2%, at Powell it's 5%. Whites+asians+mixed race is 3% compared to 8%. Give me a break, compared to a WOTP school, or a school in the rest of the country, their demographics are very similar. 11% black (powell), 19% black at bruce Monroe, similar Hispanic populations.

That is the difference between your kid being the only one who is not black or hispanic in a classroom, or one of two or three. When I see something that is double or triple something else, that stands out, even if the percentage is still small.

What of it? My kid is the only of one race. It's not biggie. There have been only black kids for years and years...probably are at many WOTPs.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, it'd be particularly disheartening for someone in bound for bruce monroe to have their school publicly crapped on by the face of gentrification because it's "not as good as powell" or something like that.

Which is probably why he is not mentioning Bruce Monroe in the statement on his blog. Rather, we are discussing it here. But he chose (or he and his wife chose) a decision they thought was right for their children, not what was right for "the face of gentrification" (if DS even considered himself that)

I do not think publishing a popular blog with pictures of pretty houses, and of pets, that give the latest restaurant openings, obliges someone to send their kids to a school they think will not work for their kids.

Gentrification will happen, inevitably, in a city with the real estate market DC has. I see no reason to shame someone for not being enough of a gentrifier. Its just a spectacularlyodd POV, IMO. Gentrification may be a net positive for the city, but being a gentrifier does not make you Mother Theresa. (and I don't think DS ever said that it did, BTW)

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, he was rezoned from Powell to Bruce Monroe. (We were too, and there is honestly no way I'd send my kid there either.)

Strange to imply that the schools are that different, they are very similar, with similar demographics. A few years ago Bruce Monroe had better test scores. Don't have a kid in either school but Powell is not that much better than Bruce Monroe. And Bruce Monroe now has a new, young, dynamic principal.

Powell has higher test scores, a lower percentage of English Language learners, and its percentage of whites+asians+mixed race is three times that of bruce monroe. I do not know if those are related to DS's concerns, but that stood out for me comparing the profiles.

This is funny. Bruce Monroe has a white population of 2%, at Powell it's 5%. Whites+asians+mixed race is 3% compared to 8%. Give me a break, compared to a WOTP school, or a school in the rest of the country, their demographics are very similar. 11% black (powell), 19% black at bruce Monroe, similar Hispanic populations.

That is the difference between your kid being the only one who is not black or hispanic in a classroom, or one of two or three. When I see something that is double or triple something else, that stands out, even if the percentage is still small.

What of it? My kid is the only of one race. It's not biggie. There have been only black kids for years and years...probably are at many WOTPs.

Yeah, and I did not say that had to be a concern for you. It could be a concern for some though. That is their decision to make. I don't get it, why does he have an obligation to keep his kids at Bruce Monroe?

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No one said he had an obligation to do anything. He's free to do what he feels is best. But based on his position, which is public (and a public persona that he chose), we're free to comment on it publicly.

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Anonymous wrote:At our EOTP school in Petworth , we are loosing 3 families for WOTP schools--they are staying put though.

Until they understand the reality of commuting across town everyday.

At our WOTP school we've had several families start out and say they were staying put, and eventually they decided to move closer.

There are many families at Wilson who've kids attended Murch, Janney and Hearst who still live EOTP.

[Anonymous]

I think this is so silly. He could have entered the lotteries for next year when his child is actually 3. See what happens. Every first child has their best chance for charter admission at PK3. Then, if the child didn't get in anywhere, or anywhere acceptable, pay for day care another year and try it again. There's no guarantee for PK4 even at a WOTP school. seems like such an uninformed decision.

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Anonymous wrote:I think this is so silly. He could have entered the lotteries for next year when his child is actually 3. See what happens. Every first child has their best chance for charter admission at PK3. Then, if the child didn't get in anywhere, or anywhere acceptable, pay for day care another year and try it again. There's no guarantee for PK4 even at a WOTP school. seems like such an uninformed decision.

Maybe that's the message: "Gentrification... the net result may be positive, but the individual decisions can be kind of dumb."