The best way to get into JKLMM as an out of bounds student...

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There are Hearst families that can walk to Deal, I doubt it would be cut from Deal.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, what exactly do you mean by best way? It sounds like you want some answer besides putting these schools on your lottery list every year.

OP here. I just wanted to know what the best options were if you didn't want to move, but yet wanted to get into a Deal feeder school. I guess another option would be to rent out our current house for a year, and move IB to an apartment?

You have to prove residency every year, dear. Otherwise everyone would do what you suggested.

So if you register one year as an inbound student, you have to re-register every year after that?

Yes, of course.

Except that in reality no. In practice, schools don't kick out students because they moved elsewhere in DC.

In the past principals had the discretion to allow students to stay until they finished in the school even though they moved . However this is supposed to go away - part of the boundary reforms.

I doubt anyone will actually be kicked out for mid-year move, but hope that the rules will be followed and students whose families move from IB to OOB wouldn't be allowed to return the next year, unless they get in through the OOB boundary process.

OOB boundary suspended that recommendation for next year. Only way to enforce it would be for a principal to specially have registration staff cross check addresses Enrollment forms are automatically generated. Your information is misleading and wrong.

DCPS doesn't have OOB admission records going back before the unified lottery started. The OOB process was always seat of the pants, no one ever dreamed that results would matter beyond the current year, let along five or ten years into the future. They won't even have the ability to implement it until enough time has passed that most kids got where they are under the unified lottery, which will be another 3-5 years. Even then it's going to be a huge administrative burden that principals and administrators will be happy to shirk.

My prediction is we see wholesale overhaul of OOB before the recommendation is implemented.

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I doubt anyone will actually be kicked out for mid-year move, but hope that the rules will be followed and students whose families move from IB to OOB wouldn't be allowed to return the next year, unless they get in through the OOB boundary process.

That's horrible.

New York City, I must point out, only requires residency for the entering year. And they have many stable, successful schools, despite rampant gentrification. DC is ass-backwards on this issue. Having a stable community of kids is more important than where their parents are living in a particular year.

Probably trying to protect their investment, for good reason. As DC continues to gentrify and more schools become attractive less demand for WOTP JKLM schools. $1.0 million 1,900 sq ft colonials quickly lose value.

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Anonymous wrote:Hearst will be the next school kicked out of Deal, just like John Eaton was.

based on what? You can practically spit on Deal from Hearst. They are really close. Isn't Lafayette a greater distance from Deal than Hearst is?

Lafayette is located in Ward 4, since ward boundaries shifted westward about 10 years ago. Bowser woukd not accept another ward 4 school being kicked out of Deal. Hearst will be the next to fall from Deal. It is something like 83 percent out of boundary families, so DCPS calculates that there would be less organized political opposition than if they tried to mess with a largely IB school. That was exactly the thinking behind Eaton being moved down to Hearst and Eaton is more like 60 percent OOB/40 IB.

Hearst is now 27% IB and this increases every year.

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Anonymous wrote:There are Hearst families that can walk to Deal, I doubt it would be cut from Deal.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, what exactly do you mean by best way? It sounds like you want some answer besides putting these schools on your lottery list every year.

OP here. I just wanted to know what the best options were if you didn't want to move, but yet wanted to get into a Deal feeder school. I guess another option would be to rent out our current house for a year, and move IB to an apartment?

You have to prove residency every year, dear. Otherwise everyone would do what you suggested.

So if you register one year as an inbound student, you have to re-register every year after that?

Yes, of course.

Except that in reality no. In practice, schools don't kick out students because they moved elsewhere in DC.

In the past principals had the discretion to allow students to stay until they finished in the school even though they moved . However this is supposed to go away - part of the boundary reforms.

I doubt anyone will actually be kicked out for mid-year move, but hope that the rules will be followed and students whose families move from IB to OOB wouldn't be allowed to return the next year, unless they get in through the OOB boundary process.

OOB boundary suspended that recommendation for next year. Only way to enforce it would be for a principal to specially have registration staff cross check addresses Enrollment forms are automatically generated. Your information is misleading and wrong.

In our schoo, Murch, the registrar checks the residency requirement every year when you enroll. If you got a spot throug lottery you are fine and that's totally legit, but I' would not count on renting an apt for a year and then moving back. Honestly, OP you think all of us renting next to much and living in apartments are chumps. The money would get us a lot more elsewhere, but some of us have integrity and don't want to mess with our kids education.

Great, so if Murch is actively cross checking addresses against the official boundaries that clearly falls under the terms of principal's discretion. I object to these people who consistently seem to show up and speak as though they are reporting DCPS policy.

This issue is usually resolved by asking for the official DCPS policy that states if you move out of boundary during the school during the year you must lottery back into the school. I have yet to see it, because it doesn't exist. With that said, clearly DCPS wants/needs to address it, and tried to with boundary recs but as it stands that policy will not be implemented next year so the existing (nonexistent) DCPS policy stands. Murch is probably the exception I would guess, this is the first time I have heard of a school that is actively enforcing a policy the principal has established. Not to say there aren't other schools, but each time this comes up, the majority of responses indicate that kicking kids of out school because they relocate within the district, isn't happening.

This is from the Oyster website:

"*NOTE* Beginning in 2010-2011: All students who enter Oyster-Adams for the first time under the 'in-boundary' process in 2010-2011, will risk losing their space if they move out of boundary after the beginning of the school year or in the future years. Students who move mid year will be allowed to finish the school year at Oyster-Adams but may then be asked to re-apply via the lottery for subsequent years. This is necessary to ensure manageable class sizes and to counter a documented pattern of families moving to the boundary for one year only to gain access to the school’s in-boundary status."

This is a good policy. DCPS should implement it everywhere.

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Anonymous wrote:Hearst will be the next school kicked out of Deal, just like John Eaton was.

based on what? You can practically spit on Deal from Hearst. They are really close. Isn't Lafayette a greater distance from Deal than Hearst is?

Lafayette is located in Ward 4, since ward boundaries shifted westward about 10 years ago. Bowser woukd not accept another ward 4 school being kicked out of Deal. Hearst will be the next to fall from Deal. It is something like 83 percent out of boundary families, so DCPS calculates that there would be less organized political opposition than if they tried to mess with a largely IB school. That was exactly the thinking behind Eaton being moved down to Hearst and Eaton is more like 60 percent OOB/40 IB.

This still doesn't convince me, at least. Hearst's IB population is growing by the day and the IB families live much closer to Deal than any Lafayette family.

Just like eaton ib families live closer to deal than bancroft or sheperd families? Dont count on anything fair from dcps.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, what exactly do you mean by best way? It sounds like you want some answer besides putting these schools on your lottery list every year.

OP here. I just wanted to know what the best options were if you didn't want to move, but yet wanted to get into a Deal feeder school. I guess another option would be to rent out our current house for a year, and move IB to an apartment?

You have to prove residency every year, dear. Otherwise everyone would do what you suggested.

So if you register one year as an inbound student, you have to re-register every year after that?

Yes, of course.

Not sure this is accurate. I believe that once you are into the school ... provided you remain in DC ... you're good. They check every year to make sure you are in DC.

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Anonymous wrote:There are Hearst families that can walk to Deal, I doubt it would be cut from Deal.

Talk to the parents at Eaton about that certainty. Eaton fed to Deal for like more than &0 years and it's walking distance to Hearst. Any school is vulnerable except Janney. Even more so than Eaton, Hearst families are scattered around DC's wards. Fewer than 20 percent live in Ward 3, so it's far less likely that any Councilmember would go to bar for Hearst over a school with more parents who vote locally.

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Typo above: go to bat

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Anonymous wrote:There are Hearst families that can walk to Deal, I doubt it would be cut from Deal.

Talk to the parents at Eaton about that certainty. Eaton fed to Deal for like more than &0 years and it's walking distance to Hearst. Any school is vulnerable except Janney. Even more so than Eaton, Hearst families are scattered around DC's wards. Fewer than 20 percent live in Ward 3, so it's far less likely that any Councilmember would go to bar for Hearst over a school with more parents who vote locally.

Murch is not in any danger of losing access to Deal, given that it is next door/across Reno Rd/closer than Janney

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Anonymous wrote:OP, what exactly do you mean by best way? It sounds like you want some answer besides putting these schools on your lottery list every year.

OP here. I just wanted to know what the best options were if you didn't want to move, but yet wanted to get into a Deal feeder school. I guess another option would be to rent out our current house for a year, and move IB to an apartment?

You have to prove residency every year, dear. Otherwise everyone would do what you suggested.

So if you register one year as an inbound student, you have to re-register every year after that?

Yes, of course.

Not sure this is accurate. I believe that once you are into the school ... provided you remain in DC ... you're good. They check every year to make sure you are in DC.

You have to register your children every year and prove residency every year. Look at the school websites right now, which are pushing for 100% re-enrollment before the end of the school year.

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Anonymous wrote:There are Hearst families that can walk to Deal, I doubt it would be cut from Deal.

Talk to the parents at Eaton about that certainty. Eaton fed to Deal for like more than &0 years and it's walking distance to Hearst. Any school is vulnerable except Janney. Even more so than Eaton, Hearst families are scattered around DC's wards. Fewer than 20 percent live in Ward 3, so it's far less likely that any Councilmember would go to bar for Hearst over a school with more parents who vote locally.

Murch is not in any danger of losing access to Deal, given that it is next door/across Reno Rd/closer than Janney

Yes, and the houses bordering Deal property are zoned for Murch.

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Anonymous wrote:There are Hearst families that can walk to Deal, I doubt it would be cut from Deal.

Talk to the parents at Eaton about that certainty. Eaton fed to Deal for like more than &0 years and it's walking distance to Hearst. Any school is vulnerable except Janney. Even more so than Eaton, Hearst families are scattered around DC's wards. Fewer than 20 percent live in Ward 3, so it's far less likely that any Councilmember would go to bar for Hearst over a school with more parents who vote locally.

Now that Hearst's northern border is Albemarle it has houses closer to Deal than Janney.

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This is from the Oyster website:

"*NOTE* Beginning in 2010-2011: All students who enter Oyster-Adams for the first time under the 'in-boundary' process in 2010-2011, will risk losing their space if they move out of boundary after the beginning of the school year or in the future years. Students who move mid year will be allowed to finish the school year at Oyster-Adams but may then be asked to re-apply via the lottery for subsequent years. This is necessary to ensure manageable class sizes and to counter a documented pattern of families moving to the boundary for one year only to gain access to the school’s in-boundary status."

This is a good policy. DCPS should implement it everywhere.

Why? One of the core principles of the OOB system is that changing schools is disruptive for kids. Why is it any less disruptive for kids who got into their school by virtue of living in-boundary? Why do kids who got their position through a lottery -- a lottery! -- get some special privilege?