The best way to get into JKLMM as an out of bounds student...

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Anonymous wrote:So what happens in 5 years when Deal is bursting at the seams?

Hey, if the numbers continue to grow maybe it will go back to the way it was 20 (or even fewer ) years ago when no one in those neighborhoods thought DCPS was good enough for their kids so they all went private. Which meant the schools were never full. Which meant there were lots of spaces for all of those sub-standard OOB people from Foggy Bottom and Capitol Hill, which meant the schools weren't closed. But then all those schools full of OOB kids started getting better and the economy tanked and suddenly the people who never set foot inside Deal said "hey now we've decided his school is good enough for us so you all need to go!"

And not even a thank you to the OOB folks for holding their spot until they decided the schools were okay after all!

+1 remember, schools don't accept OOB children out of the goodness of their heart, they do it to maximize their budgets and to meet enrollment targets set by the chancellor's office. So OOB children and their families do their part to help their schools, and my experience has been that most OOB families are more active and engage more readily than many IB families because they feel how fortunate they are to be there. Discarding those families who have become a part of that school community and those children who have become part of a cohort of student friends who are heading off to Deal together is just wrong. And also remember that OOB gained prominence because IB eschewed their own schools and could dependably be relied on to enroll. At schools like Hardy they still can't be relied on. IB families will say they're coming but will then enroll at Basis or Latin. So don't be hating on committed OOB families for picking up the slack and then expecting for DCPS to fulfill its end of the bargain by ensuring the MS and HS feeder paths.

I'm glad this was your experience but my perspective was different at my DS' upper NW elementary school. While some OOB parents got involved, others did not and used the excuse that they lived to far from the school. The IB parents were the ones to work the school's major weekend fundraising activities. Despite the fact that a number of OOB parents had pretty expensive cars at drop off (some with low numbered license plates that ostentatiously indicated DC governemnt political connections), the attitude seemed to be that the IB parents were expected to be the ones to pony up the cash for school causes as well as volunteer hours. Some OOB parents were great but others seemed to have a chip on their shoulder.

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Anonymous wrote:Some people need to take a powder here. The at-risk set-asides are not going to displace the kids of IB families. See http://dcps.dc.gov/DCPS/Files/downloads/COMMUNITY/Advisory%20Committee%20Draft%20web.pdf .

Starting with the SY2015-16 lottery, PK3/4 DCPS lottery priorities, in order, shall be:
• In-boundary with sibling
• In-boundary
• Out-of-boundary with sibling
• Out-of-boundary at-risk (at qualifying schools for qualifying students)**
• Out-of-boundary with proximity (for qualifying students)**
(** denotes new policies)

Starting with the SY2015-16 lottery, K-12 DCPS lottery priorities, in order, shall be:
• Out-of-boundary with sibling
• Out-of-boundary at-risk (at qualifying schools for qualifying students)**
• Out-of-boundary with proximity (for qualifying students)**
(** denotes new policies)

See also http://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/publication/attachments/Frequently%20Asked%20Questions%20Proposed%20FY15%20UPSFF%20with%20appendices.pdf

Q: What is the definition of “at risk”?
A: The at-risk weight applies to students who are homeless, in the District’s foster care
system, qualify for Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) or the
Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), or high school students that are one
year older, or more, than the expected age for the grade in which the students are
enrolled. The at-risk weight is cumulative to all other weights, with the exception of the
adult and alternative weights. At-risk dollars are unrestricted in their use.
This definition is consistent with the “Fair Student Funding and School-Based Budgeting
Amendment Act of 2013”. The definition of at-risk weight in the proposed FY15 Budget
Support Act is broader than what was recommended in the Adequacy Study. For more
information on how the at-risk weight will be implemented, see below.

I don't think that anyone believes at-risk kids will displace IB kids. But for middle class families without siblings in OOB slots already - that path toward a better school and feeder path is likely to become even more difficult.

You do realize that "at risk" families would have to "choose" to go to these schools. DCPS is not going to assign them to these schools. I know you guys love your upper NW schools but many "at risk" families may prefer something different. Moreover, I haven't heard what travel accommodations DCPS is making for these children. If they don't supply buses then I doubt if many parents will be interested, particularly on the elementary school level. I really think all this hand wringing over the "at risk" set aside is overblown.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what happens in 5 years when Deal is bursting at the seams?

Hey, if the numbers continue to grow maybe it will go back to the way it was 20 (or even fewer ) years ago when no one in those neighborhoods thought DCPS was good enough for their kids so they all went private. Which meant the schools were never full. Which meant there were lots of spaces for all of those sub-standard OOB people from Foggy Bottom and Capitol Hill, which meant the schools weren't closed. But then all those schools full of OOB kids started getting better and the economy tanked and suddenly the people who never set foot inside Deal said "hey now we've decided his school is good enough for us so you all need to go!"

And not even a thank you to the OOB folks for holding their spot until they decided the schools were okay after all!

+1 remember, schools don't accept OOB children out of the goodness of their heart, they do it to maximize their budgets and to meet enrollment targets set by the chancellor's office. So OOB children and their families do their part to help their schools, and my experience has been that most OOB families are more active and engage more readily than many IB families because they feel how fortunate they are to be there. Discarding those families who have become a part of that school community and those children who have become part of a cohort of student friends who are heading off to Deal together is just wrong. And also remember that OOB gained prominence because IB eschewed their own schools and could dependably be relied on to enroll. At schools like Hardy they still can't be relied on. IB families will say they're coming but will then enroll at Basis or Latin. So don't be hating on committed OOB families for picking up the slack and then expecting for DCPS to fulfill its end of the bargain by ensuring the MS and HS feeder paths.

I'm glad this was your experience but my perspective was different at my DS' upper NW elementary school. While some OOB parents got involved, others did not and used the excuse that they lived to far from the school. The IB parents were the ones to work the school's major weekend fundraising activities. Despite the fact that a number of OOB parents had pretty expensive cars at drop off (some with low numbered license plates that ostentatiously indicated DC governemnt political connections), the attitude seemed to be that the IB parents were expected to be the ones to pony up the cash for school causes as well as volunteer hours. Some OOB parents were great but others seemed to have a chip on their shoulder.

In any organization, 20% of the people do 80% of the work. Are ALL of your IB parents active? I suspect not. I also suspect that several IB parents may not have the best attitudes. However, that doesn't feed your perception so I doubt if you have ever even thought about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what happens in 5 years when Deal is bursting at the seams?

Hey, if the numbers continue to grow maybe it will go back to the way it was 20 (or even fewer ) years ago when no one in those neighborhoods thought DCPS was good enough for their kids so they all went private. Which meant the schools were never full. Which meant there were lots of spaces for all of those sub-standard OOB people from Foggy Bottom and Capitol Hill, which meant the schools weren't closed. But then all those schools full of OOB kids started getting better and the economy tanked and suddenly the people who never set foot inside Deal said "hey now we've decided his school is good enough for us so you all need to go!"

And not even a thank you to the OOB folks for holding their spot until they decided the schools were okay after all!

+1 remember, schools don't accept OOB children out of the goodness of their heart, they do it to maximize their budgets and to meet enrollment targets set by the chancellor's office. So OOB children and their families do their part to help their schools, and my experience has been that most OOB families are more active and engage more readily than many IB families because they feel how fortunate they are to be there. Discarding those families who have become a part of that school community and those children who have become part of a cohort of student friends who are heading off to Deal together is just wrong. And also remember that OOB gained prominence because IB eschewed their own schools and could dependably be relied on to enroll. At schools like Hardy they still can't be relied on. IB families will say they're coming but will then enroll at Basis or Latin. So don't be hating on committed OOB families for picking up the slack and then expecting for DCPS to fulfill its end of the bargain by ensuring the MS and HS feeder paths.

I'm glad this was your experience but my perspective was different at my DS' upper NW elementary school. While some OOB parents got involved, others did not and used the excuse that they lived to far from the school. The IB parents were the ones to work the school's major weekend fundraising activities. Despite the fact that a number of OOB parents had pretty expensive cars at drop off (some with low numbered license plates that ostentatiously indicated DC governemnt political connections), the attitude seemed to be that the IB parents were expected to be the ones to pony up the cash for school causes as well as volunteer hours. Some OOB parents were great but others seemed to have a chip on their shoulder.

In any organization, 20% of the people do 80% of the work. Are ALL of your IB parents active? I suspect not. I also suspect that several IB parents may not have the best attitudes. However, that doesn't feed your perception so I doubt if you have ever even thought about it.

+1 at our upper NW school our PTA president is an OOB parent and I don't know many IB families who are as active.