JKLM residents are killing elementaries in lower NW

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Op, I am confused. Are you asserting that the unprepared K kids result from IB students who don't get into ECE at their neighborhood schools? If they applied- they would beat out the OB kids, right? So the problem is that folks IB for your school don't want ECE. Your beef is not with OOB folks- but with your IB population.

This is exactly right. The OOB kids don't get in unless there are available slots after all the IB kids are placed. What OP really is arguing for is that her school's PS and PK classes remain under-enrolled rather that be filled with kids who are IB at JKLM. Which is, of course, ridiculous. She's also claiming that the presence is these children results in underprepared IB kindergarteners. Equally ridiculous.

Yes, OP, what schools are you talking about anyway? And which is the school with 25 percent Oyster IB at PK?

I wonder this, too. Maybe Francis-Stevens?

I suspect it's Marie Reed.

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i don't think that OP's response was "stirring the pot," I think it was an attempt to make clear her concern.

I am a ward 3 parent. I never tried for PK outside of our IB school other than for charters that looked interesting with my older DD. My interest in that was in the school, not free pre-K. My luck in the lottery was abysmal so we went with IB starting in K.

DCPS sets up a system that allows for OOB and limited PK 3 and 4. As noted above, there is no preK 3 in Ward 3 at all. This is a function of how the system works. It is not merely free daycare, it is free quality early childhood education, which is a wonderful thing and so far has not been means tested except geographically (and Hyde is somewhat out of the mold).

The great ECE is a draw that gets parents to test the waters on schools they might otherwise pass by, it is the foot in the door to compete against charters and turn struggling schools around by enticing in the many engaged families that are moving to gentrifying areas of the city. Also a good thing.

There are costs for all these good things. I have not heard a rational argument for setting this up and somehow excluding families that are deemed not worthy because they have good elementary options as a matter of right.

And, contrary to popular belief, not all families residing in ward 3 are rich. The cost of quality childcare is outrageous as is ward 3 housing. Many families are on a tight budget exactly because they have invested their money in ensuring a quality education. If the families have an equal right, are dc taxpayers, etc., why should they stand down from accessing available educational resources for their children consistent with the system that has been established?

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Anonymous wrote:I've had 3 kids start in Janney PK (and then K) in recent years and I've never come across any classmates who did PK at another NWDC public school. Everyone goes to St Columba's or Communikids or one of the Jewish preschools or a downtown daycare or any number of other private (pay) schools.

I do know one family (out of 100) that did the PS3 year at Appletree and then (inbounds) Janney PK.
I honestly don't think OP's post is a widespread "problem" at all.

jeez, THANK you. I am a PP who called bullshit on the alleged problem of children living "JKLM" -- which I'll remind everyone is AU Park, Chevy Chase DC, Wesley Hts, Cleveland Park, Palisades, Forest Hills and Friendship Heights -- running all over the city and snatching up spots in ps3.

This isn't happening.

Excellent. Since it doesn't happen, Ward 3 families will not mind at all to having no OOB feeder rights at PK3 and PK4. Everyone is agreed then...

Great point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I've had 3 kids start in Janney PK (and then K) in recent years and I've never come across any classmates who did PK at another NWDC public school. Everyone goes to St Columba's or Communikids or one of the Jewish preschools or a downtown daycare or any number of other private (pay) schools.

I do know one family (out of 100) that did the PS3 year at Appletree and then (inbounds) Janney PK.
I honestly don't think OP's post is a widespread "problem" at all.

jeez, THANK you. I am a PP who called bullshit on the alleged problem of children living "JKLM" -- which I'll remind everyone is AU Park, Chevy Chase DC, Wesley Hts, Cleveland Park, Palisades, Forest Hills and Friendship Heights -- running all over the city and snatching up spots in ps3.

This isn't happening.

Excellent. Since it doesn't happen, Ward 3 families will not mind at all to having no OOB feeder rights at PK3 and PK4. Everyone is agreed then...

Great point.

I would like to know exactly how many kids leave PK at your JKLM before K. Can you give us an actual number?

Well,

[Anonymous]

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Op, I am confused. Are you asserting that the unprepared K kids result from IB students who don't get into ECE at their neighborhood schools? If they applied- they would beat out the OB kids, right? So the problem is that folks IB for your school don't want ECE. Your beef is not with OOB folks- but with your IB population.

This is exactly right. The OOB kids don't get in unless there are available slots after all the IB kids are placed. What OP really is arguing for is that her school's PS and PK classes remain under-enrolled rather that be filled with kids who are IB at JKLM. Which is, of course, ridiculous. She's also claiming that the presence is these children results in underprepared IB kindergarteners. Equally ridiculous.

Yes, OP, what schools are you talking about anyway? And which is the school with 25 percent Oyster IB at PK?

I wonder this, too. Maybe Francis-Stevens?

Bumping my question because I still don't see an answer. FS and Marie Reed are decent guesses but I would be surprised, because they are both popular with WLs, are they not? Certainly MR has a long WL. I thought FS did too. Also it's unusual to refer to Adams Morgan as "lower NW".

I am at an EOTP school and yes, I have seen JKLM/Oyster parents at our open houses hoping to use our school for PK3 or even PK4. I have never resented them for trying. We all gotta do what we gotta do in this city. We have so many IB on the WL that the JKLM/O applicants don't have a snowflake's chance, so it's academic anyway.

So OP or anyone else, can you tell us which are these schools that are simultaneously so attractive to JKLM/O that they choose it over private preschool, yet have a lot of space for OOB, so much space that one of them is even one quarter full of Oyster IB?

I am not saying I don't believe it but I am still scratching my head as to which schools fit this description. It must be schools that have very small geographic boundaries or small number of public school kids relative to PK class sizes? Which are these schools in lower NW? I know that Hearst fits this description in upper NW.

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Lower NW comprises the Cardozo Feeder schools for the most part from Tubman and Bruce Monroe in the north to Marie Reed in the West across to Marie Reed, Garrison, Seaton, Cleveland and Thompson. I don't think Ross or FS with their long WLs have lots of upper NW squatters at them for PK.

You are responding to my question. Really?? I have never heard this area referred to as "lower NW", on DCUM or anywhere. It's usually "EOTP" on DCUM, and if you are going as far east as Seaton and Cleveland in Shaw/Le Droit/Bloomingdale, then that's usually referred to as center city or near NW. If "lower NW" means anything, it would more logically refer to Georgetown.

Anyway OP has posted again since my question was repeated, and still hasn't answered, so he or she is obviously more interested in stirring the pot than having a real conversation about this.

I agree with PP that the schools that ultimately feed to Cardozo, including both Marie Reed and SWW@F-S, are lower NW. I'm part of the Lower NW Education Collective, which includes reps from both those schools (among others).

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Ir must be Marie Reed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've had 3 kids start in Janney PK (and then K) in recent years and I've never come across any classmates who did PK at another NWDC public school. Everyone goes to St Columba's or Communikids or one of the Jewish preschools or a downtown daycare or any number of other private (pay) schools.

I do know one family (out of 100) that did the PS3 year at Appletree and then (inbounds) Janney PK.
I honestly don't think OP's post is a widespread "problem" at all.

jeez, THANK you. I am a PP who called bullshit on the alleged problem of children living "JKLM" -- which I'll remind everyone is AU Park, Chevy Chase DC, Wesley Hts, Cleveland Park, Palisades, Forest Hills and Friendship Heights -- running all over the city and snatching up spots in ps3.

This isn't happening.

Excellent. Since it doesn't happen, Ward 3 families will not mind at all to having no OOB feeder rights at PK3 and PK4. Everyone is agreed then...

Great point.

What exactly do you mean? "Feeder rights" to ... what, exactly? This makes no sense

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Anonymous wrote:Ir must be Marie Reed.

If it is, then the school has a great opportunity to impress those parents by offering a great bilingual program and overall education, and some (or many) will stay.

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The oyster families will stay at MR??

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Anonymous wrote:Ir must be Marie Reed.

If it is, then the school has a great opportunity to impress those parents by offering a great bilingual program and overall education, and some (or many) will stay.

Wishful thinking. IB Oyster parents will NOT stay at Marie Reed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I've had 3 kids start in Janney PK (and then K) in recent years and I've never come across any classmates who did PK at another NWDC public school. Everyone goes to St Columba's or Communikids or one of the Jewish preschools or a downtown daycare or any number of other private (pay) schools.

I do know one family (out of 100) that did the PS3 year at Appletree and then (inbounds) Janney PK.
I honestly don't think OP's post is a widespread "problem" at all.

jeez, THANK you. I am a PP who called bullshit on the alleged problem of children living "JKLM" -- which I'll remind everyone is AU Park, Chevy Chase DC, Wesley Hts, Cleveland Park, Palisades, Forest Hills and Friendship Heights -- running all over the city and snatching up spots in ps3.

This isn't happening.

Excellent. Since it doesn't happen, Ward 3 families will not mind at all to having no OOB feeder rights at PK3 and PK4. Everyone is agreed then...

Great point.

What exactly do you mean? "Feeder rights" to ... what, exactly? This makes no sense

Fine, "lottery rights". If you live in Ward 3, you cannot enter the lottery for PK3 (anywhere) or PK4 other than you IB school. Since folks don't think it ever happens that Ward 3 families do this, no one should care about losing the possibility of lotterying somewhere else.

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I know a significant # of families that are IB for Oyster who are at Reed. In fact, with the new boundaries, many families who are IB for Oyster live right across from Reed. And there is no way that they are going to Reed starting in K.

[Anonymous]

So MR is a good example then. Those families aren't contributing to developing a long term community.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know a significant # of families that are IB for Oyster who are at Reed. In fact, with the new boundaries, many families who are IB for Oyster live right across from Reed. And there is no way that they are going to Reed starting in K.

This is probably a temporary situation, though. Given the length of the MR waitlist, or the waitlist at any Dual Language school, an OOB prek spot isn't going to be something that any individual OOB family could count on.

[Anonymous]

There are many ward 3 families at SWWFS who are taking advantage of the PK3 offering. However, I am finding more fit our family's description...Logan/Shaw and like the upper grades than their zoned schools (Thomson, Garrison, etc).

And I am hoping that the ward 3 families remain happy enough to stick with the school since the location is workable for those who work downtown.