Walking while black

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Anonymous wrote:Lets not obfuscate the issue with facts. This doesn't help with the finger pointing.

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Anonymous wrote:The story about the black Yale student is a simple case of mistaken identity. This is not "walking while black". Please don't even try to say that it is, because the "walking while black" is a real problem for other non-Yale students. Trying to equate this lame story with "walking while black" trivializes the entire issue, and creates a strawman that deniers can easily knock over.

To the PP who said his white son was stopped similarly for playing "hide and seek", I have a question. Was your son on someone else's property?

+1. That NYT column was a joke. The same thing happens to people of all races (and I know because it happened to me, and I am not black). The real root of the problem no one talks about is, why do statistics show that blacks are as a group, much more likely to commit violent crimes? Half of all murders in the US are committed by blacks, which account for only 10% of the population.

Let's solve that first.

Most black people are not murderers. Let's remember that first.

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The quality of the discourse on this board makes me sad. One guy makes a red herring comment and another one gives it a +1.

Another PP here, but the "discourse" on issues of racism and sexism have been "sad" on this board for a long time. IMO, it stems from the fact that people on both sides either speak in widely accepted but never vierfied "talking points" or they tend to discount the other's persons POV because they have not experieced it (or have a different experience). Everybody wants to talk but no one wants to listen.

Evidence: in the most recent year with detailed stats (2011)...

Blacks committed 5,486 murders

Whites committed 4,739 murders

This, despite the obvious fact that the white population is much larger.

The conversation starts there. The rest are attempts to distract from that sad but real fact.

Why should it start there? Because you say so?

I have said this before on this forum. Everyone focuses on the protests in Ferguson because that it what sell papers and generates clicks. And it is is a real issue. But AA's (including myself) are VERY active in dealing with other issues that AA's face. So...you think you are making a point by trotting out the tired and true "what about black on black crime?" At the same time you know nothing about the people trying to change some of these issues, some of the things being done, and, as the stats show, the resulting positive impact. Just because a certain segment is focusing on policing tactics, it does not mean that people are ignoring other issues. We can multi-task. But anytime you want to come with me to learn about some of things being done regarding crime, education and the like, let me know. You are welcome to come.

I am game to have a discourse about almost any issue if you have an open mind and are willing to listen. But if are the type of White person who somehow thinks that you are qualified to tell AA's what our important issues are because you listen to some pundits and can trot out some stats, then I will pass. I will gain nothing from talking to you and you will gain nothing from me.

[Anonymous]

99.9999% of AAs have never killed anyone. The conversation starts here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The story about the black Yale student is a simple case of mistaken identity. This is not "walking while black". Please don't even try to say that it is, because the "walking while black" is a real problem for other non-Yale students. Trying to equate this lame story with "walking while black" trivializes the entire issue, and creates a strawman that deniers can easily knock over.

To the PP who said his white son was stopped similarly for playing "hide and seek", I have a question. Was your son on someone else's property?

+1. That NYT column was a joke. The same thing happens to people of all races (and I know because it happened to me, and I am not black). The real root of the problem no one talks about is, why do statistics show that blacks are as a group, much more likely to commit violent crimes? Half of all murders in the US are committed by blacks, which account for only 10% of the population.

Let's solve that first.

Most black people are not murderers. Let's remember that first.

+1

The quality of the discourse on this board makes me sad. One guy makes a red herring comment and another one gives it a +1.

Another PP here, but the "discourse" on issues of racism and sexism have been "sad" on this board for a long time. IMO, it stems from the fact that people on both sides either speak in widely accepted but never vierfied "talking points" or they tend to discount the other's persons POV because they have not experieced it (or have a different experience). Everybody wants to talk but no one wants to listen.

Evidence: in the most recent year with detailed stats (2011)...

Blacks committed 5,486 murders

Whites committed 4,739 murders

This, despite the obvious fact that the white population is much larger.

The conversation starts there. The rest are attempts to distract from that sad but real fact.

Why should it start there? Because you say so?

I have said this before on this forum. Everyone focuses on the protests in Ferguson because that it what sell papers and generates clicks. And it is is a real issue. But AA's (including myself) are VERY active in dealing with other issues that AA's face. So...you think you are making a point by trotting out the tired and true "what about black on black crime?" At the same time you know nothing about the people trying to change some of these issues, some of the things being done, and, as the stats show, the resulting positive impact. Just because a certain segment is focusing on policing tactics, it does not mean that people are ignoring other issues. We can multi-task. But anytime you want to come with me to learn about some of things being done regarding crime, education and the like, let me know. You are welcome to come.

I am game to have a discourse about almost any issue if you have an open mind and are willing to listen. But if are the type of White person who somehow thinks that you are qualified to tell AA's what our important issues are because you listen to some pundits and can trot out some stats, then I will pass. I will gain nothing from talking to you and you will gain nothing from me.

Wow, don't you love hearing your own voice.

First problem...why do you assume I am white? (Not the case)

Second problem...numbers speak louder than words. Why don't you find and share with us crime rates, controlling for SES, of white vs black vs Asian vs Latino vs illegal immigrant? You may be surprised

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The story about the black Yale student is a simple case of mistaken identity. This is not "walking while black". Please don't even try to say that it is, because the "walking while black" is a real problem for other non-Yale students. Trying to equate this lame story with "walking while black" trivializes the entire issue, and creates a strawman that deniers can easily knock over.

To the PP who said his white son was stopped similarly for playing "hide and seek", I have a question. Was your son on someone else's property?

+1. That NYT column was a joke. The same thing happens to people of all races (and I know because it happened to me, and I am not black). The real root of the problem no one talks about is, why do statistics show that blacks are as a group, much more likely to commit violent crimes? Half of all murders in the US are committed by blacks, which account for only 10% of the population.

Let's solve that first.

Most black people are not murderers. Let's remember that first.

+1

The quality of the discourse on this board makes me sad. One guy makes a red herring comment and another one gives it a +1.

Another PP here, but the "discourse" on issues of racism and sexism have been "sad" on this board for a long time. IMO, it stems from the fact that people on both sides either speak in widely accepted but never vierfied "talking points" or they tend to discount the other's persons POV because they have not experieced it (or have a different experience). Everybody wants to talk but no one wants to listen.

Evidence: in the most recent year with detailed stats (2011)...

Blacks committed 5,486 murders

Whites committed 4,739 murders

This, despite the obvious fact that the white population is much larger.

The conversation starts there. The rest are attempts to distract from that sad but real fact.

Why should it start there? Because you say so?

I have said this before on this forum. Everyone focuses on the protests in Ferguson because that it what sell papers and generates clicks. And it is is a real issue. But AA's (including myself) are VERY active in dealing with other issues that AA's face. So...you think you are making a point by trotting out the tired and true "what about black on black crime?" At the same time you know nothing about the people trying to change some of these issues, some of the things being done, and, as the stats show, the resulting positive impact. Just because a certain segment is focusing on policing tactics, it does not mean that people are ignoring other issues. We can multi-task. But anytime you want to come with me to learn about some of things being done regarding crime, education and the like, let me know. You are welcome to come.

I am game to have a discourse about almost any issue if you have an open mind and are willing to listen. But if are the type of White person who somehow thinks that you are qualified to tell AA's what our important issues are because you listen to some pundits and can trot out some stats, then I will pass. I will gain nothing from talking to you and you will gain nothing from me.

Wow, don't you love hearing your own voice.

First problem...why do you assume I am white? (Not the case)

Second problem...numbers speak louder than words. Why don't you find and share with us crime rates, controlling for SES, of white vs black vs Asian vs Latino vs illegal immigrant? You may be surprised

No thanks. I know the numbers better than you do (am in the field). However, discussing the issue with you is not worth my time. You are giving off the vibe that you do not have an open mind on the issue and you have already made up your mind. No need to waste either of our time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:The story about the black Yale student is a simple case of mistaken identity. This is not "walking while black". Please don't even try to say that it is, because the "walking while black" is a real problem for other non-Yale students. Trying to equate this lame story with "walking while black" trivializes the entire issue, and creates a strawman that deniers can easily knock over.

To the PP who said his white son was stopped similarly for playing "hide and seek", I have a question. Was your son on someone else's property?

+1. That NYT column was a joke. The same thing happens to people of all races (and I know because it happened to me, and I am not black). The real root of the problem no one talks about is, why do statistics show that blacks are as a group, much more likely to commit violent crimes? Half of all murders in the US are committed by blacks, which account for only 10% of the population.

Let's solve that first.

Most black people are not murderers. Let's remember that first.

+1

The quality of the discourse on this board makes me sad. One guy makes a red herring comment and another one gives it a +1.

It's not a red herring to point out that statistically profiling is an incredibly dangerous thing. 99.9999% of AA's are not murderers. That's a fact. So should that 99.9999% give up their civil liberties because some tiny segment of the black population committed crimes? Hell no.

[Anonymous]

It's not a red herring to point out that statistically profiling is an incredibly dangerous thing. 99.9999% of AA's are not murderers. That's a fact. So should that 99.9999% give up their civil liberties because some tiny segment of the black population committed crimes? Hell no.

So, when you are looking for a suspect who has been described as Black, you are also supposed to stop whites?

[Anonymous]

Interesting debate/discussion but you guys are wandering off topic a bit. Let me help...

If you're looking for a suspect who's black do you pull a gun on every black person?

[Anonymous]

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It's not a red herring to point out that statistically profiling is an incredibly dangerous thing. 99.9999% of AA's are not murderers. That's a fact. So should that 99.9999% give up their civil liberties because some tiny segment of the black population committed crimes? Hell no.

So, when you are looking for a suspect who has been described as Black, you are also supposed to stop whites?

No. But when you don't have a description, you should.

[Anonymous]

Interesting debate/discussion but you guys are wandering off topic a bit. Let me help...

If you're looking for a suspect who's black do you pull a gun on every black person?

When you think he is the perpetrator, you might. Remember, they were actively looking and the crime had happened in that area.

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Interesting debate/discussion but you guys are wandering off topic a bit. Let me help...

If you're looking for a suspect who's black do you pull a gun on every black person?

When you think he is the perpetrator, you might. Remember, they were actively looking and the crime had happened in that area.

And if you are the type to think every black man you encounter is the perpetrator, that's OK?

[Anonymous]

So no matter the crime, whether its a robbery or shoplifting or jaywalking or ripping the tags off mattresses, if the suspect is black don't take any chances put a gun every black persons head who fits the description and dare them to move?

[Anonymous]

So no matter the crime, whether its a robbery or shoplifting or jaywalking or ripping the tags off mattresses, if the suspect is black don't take any chances put a gun every black persons head who fits the description and dare them to move?

Nope. This was an active crime. The cop was jogging according to Blow's son. He fit the description. Didn't read that the gun was to his head.

[Anonymous]

To his head or pointed at his knee whatever...don't dodge just answer. Is it reasonable to pull a gun on every black person who fits the description?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can't imagine this happening to my child (I am white); this one hit closest to home about how we do treat different races differently:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/26/opinion/charles-blow-at-yale-the-police-detained-my-son.html?_r=0

While it's tempting upon reading this piece to wander once again into the realm of race and perception in America and engage in discussion about all the intricacies involved, I think a far more critical facet of this article is the underlying statement about the startling evolution of law enforcement in this country and how it is steadily becoming more and more aggressive and more and more adversarial.

I don't know if it's violent video games that are to blame or if it's the fault of movies and television that repeatedly depict and project images of cops drawing their service weapons and screaming at potential suspects on first sight without a hint of hesitation or any attempt at negotiation, but something has changed dramatically in the culture of law enforcement to the extent that the meaning of the phrase "protect and serve" has been skewed somewhat and officers now interpret it not as an oath of obligation to the community itself but instead they regard it as a manifesto of justification to draw their weapons immediately in order to protect themselves and serve their own brand of justice on the spot by pulling the trigger as opposed to promoting the judicial process.

Walking while black is not a crime nor is walking while white nor walking while Asian nor walking while Hispanic nor Indian nor African nor male nor female nor gay nor transgender nor short nor tall nor skinny nor fat but even still, based on the steady developing trend of officers being more and more overzealous in their encounters with the public and often times using force or firearms when it isn't even necessary there's a steady growing chance that anybody and everybody is in danger of having a gun pointed at them no matter who they are or what they are. This is something that needs to be addressed. Nearly every employer in the country whether in the private or public sector makes it mandatory for their employees to go through some type of human resource training where they receive information and instruction regarding the rights and responsibilities of workers and a particular point of emphasis is respect for others. It helps prevent workplace issues and conflicts such as sexual harassment and race/color discrimination and age discrimination, etc. Well nowhere is this type of training and reinforcement regarding respect for others more critical than in law enforcement, an occupation where a everyday an employee holds a gun in one hand and people's lives in the other.

Care to share what facts support these statements? Can you point to any data that support your assertions about the more than 700,000 police officers in this country?