Men Should Be Aggressive Except When They Shouldn't

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Anonymous wrote:Rapists helped create this situation, but they're very happy to blame feminists for it.

I'm not disputing that rapists created the situation, but feminists exacerbate the problem by making sure the male in any relationship adheres to "no means no" while simultaneously faulting him for not knowing when "no doesn't mean no" without a specific conversation.

I get that, and I share that frustration. The problem is that actual rapists also profess confusion and frustration as cover for raping. So, my frustration with respect to the ambiguous messages women send and maybe not getting laid as much as I could seems pretty minor when compared to being raped and having the rapist get away with it by claiming mixed messages.

Thank you for being reasonable!
Some guys do not realize their penis is NOT the center of the universe.

You have some serious anger management issues.
The problem becomes that the boyfriend (more so than husband) may be waiting for a non-no type answer because *insert feminist here* told him that anything else is rape or rapey. In the meantime, his woman has now started fucking another guy, one who could be considered rapey (but she wanted rapey from that guy). Lots of signals to interpret and misinterpret.
So, one might argue that the center of the universe is you and your pussy and you don't care what signals you're sending because you can feel free to reinterpret them later.

LOL!! Not the PP but you sound absolutely batshit insane!! Your obsession with a woman fucking another guy reveals a lot more about your priorities than you realize.... hahaha pathetic.

1. As usual, nice guys finish last. Rapists are going to rape and they won't care about being rapey. Because they are.

2. Self-centered, aggressive non-rapists are just going to come on strong. If they get rejected by a woman who feels like that's rapey, they probably won't care much and will just move on to the next woman until they find a woman who is turned on by that kind of masculinity.

3. Nice, respectful guys will listen & keep a respectful distance until they are given clear signs to proceed. Mostly though, they'll resign themselves to being really good friends & probably spend a lot of time consoling their women-friends who are pining over guy #2.

Are you serious? Sure, rapists will win... If you consider raping someone to be a satisfying sexual encounter. Smh. You really are so pathetic and disgusting

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No, guy #2 will "win."

Rapists will break even, I guess. They're still awful, but no better or worse than they were.

Guy #3 will lose because, having been convinced that women will clearly express themselves when they want a romantic encounter -- and that not waiting for that enthusiastic consent is rape, he will pass up romantic opportunities with women who want a guy who takes chances and doesn't err on the side of caution.

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Anonymous wrote:Inspired by the "I wish he'd grab my face and kiss me" thread. A lot of women want guys to be assertive and aggressive sexually. A lot of them don't want to have to tell the guy to be this way because it ruins the effect if they have to say something. The guy should just want them so much, he just has to have her.

However, it has to be the right guy doing this. A creep being assertive and aggressive is beyond awful. Rapists have also poisoned the water. They work on the edges of plausible deniability, and take advantage of women's more passive role in the dating/sex game to force themselves on unwilling women or women so drunk (sometimes made that way by the predator) they are unable to give any kind of meaningful consent. So, women have pushed for tools and social norms that will hopefully make these predators accountable and offer some level of protection to women. Unfortunately, these tools and social norms have also blunted the inclination of a lot of good dudes to pursue women assertively. Sometimes a woman might give a "soft no" which non-rapists have been conditioned to regard at face value when the woman really meant "try harder."

So, ladies, when you want a guy to come on strong, do you give recognizable signals? Do you have trouble figuring out when, in response, guys are uninterested as opposed to simply oblivious? Does it make the flirting/courtship process less fun if you have to be obvious? Other thoughts?

That poster wasn't sending signals to her husband. She TOLD him that she wanted him to grab her face and kiss her.

How about you ask your woman what she wants?

What she wants right now, while she's busy being a mom and/or employee and/or a lot of other things? Or maybe when she's about 30 seconds from orgasm? Because what she wants may change and she may be unable to articulate what she wants when she wants. Also, for some women, the process of actually coming right out and saying what she wants may be scary and/or ruin the effect she's looking for.

So, it's good in theory. But, in practice, just asking isn't necessarily a silver bullet.

You both need to grow the fuck up. If you can't talk about sex, then you shouldn't be having sex.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Inspired by the "I wish he'd grab my face and kiss me" thread. A lot of women want guys to be assertive and aggressive sexually. A lot of them don't want to have to tell the guy to be this way because it ruins the effect if they have to say something. The guy should just want them so much, he just has to have her.

However, it has to be the right guy doing this. A creep being assertive and aggressive is beyond awful. Rapists have also poisoned the water. They work on the edges of plausible deniability, and take advantage of women's more passive role in the dating/sex game to force themselves on unwilling women or women so drunk (sometimes made that way by the predator) they are unable to give any kind of meaningful consent. So, women have pushed for tools and social norms that will hopefully make these predators accountable and offer some level of protection to women. Unfortunately, these tools and social norms have also blunted the inclination of a lot of good dudes to pursue women assertively. Sometimes a woman might give a "soft no" which non-rapists have been conditioned to regard at face value when the woman really meant "try harder."

So, ladies, when you want a guy to come on strong, do you give recognizable signals? Do you have trouble figuring out when, in response, guys are uninterested as opposed to simply oblivious? Does it make the flirting/courtship process less fun if you have to be obvious? Other thoughts?

That poster wasn't sending signals to her husband. She TOLD him that she wanted him to grab her face and kiss her.

How about you ask your woman what she wants?

What she wants right now, while she's busy being a mom and/or employee and/or a lot of other things? Or maybe when she's about 30 seconds from orgasm? Because what she wants may change and she may be unable to articulate what she wants when she wants. Also, for some women, the process of actually coming right out and saying what she wants may be scary and/or ruin the effect she's looking for.

So, it's good in theory. But, in practice, just asking isn't necessarily a silver bullet.

You both need to grow the fuck up. If you can't talk about sex, then you shouldn't be having sex.

Agreed!