Virginia (out of state) vs. Wake Forest

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Someone on here is on a pro-UVA and WF rant. But IMO, as someone very familiar with both, they would likely not appeal to the same kid. Yes, they both have a Southern, conservative, Greek feel. But UVA is a large national university, with all of the reassures that come with that, but also the large campus and large classes. Whereas is really move like a SLAC than a national university. Wake focuses on undergrad, not grad schools. And it has the college town, which Wake does not.

The more natural overlap is UVA and UNC (and less selectively UGA). Wake has a lot more in common with WM, Davidson, W&L and many Emory and Vanderbilt than UVA.

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This thread is 4 years old. Fight club all you want, but don’t waste your time advising OP.

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Wake is a fairly prestigious private, so it’s a better education, period. UVA is a strong public with the rah rah sports, if that’s your thing.

I assume Wake has wealthier students top to bottom, where as the wealthy at UVA are largely concentrated in your “top” high-status Greek chapters.

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, those scary ROVA kids. Why on earth would someone raise their child in ROVA?

It's not that they are scary or gun toting. The original comment about ROVA was that it makes UVA a bit more sheltered/parochial than Wake which draws from a larger geography.

Wake Forest's student body is more cosmopolitan - like Vanderbilt and Emory, WF has broadened the area that they attract students from.

Total BS. UVA has students from all 50 states and 183 countries. It also has questbridge students, low income students, first generation students, URM, and its student body is comprised of 94% top ten percent high school students. https://news.virginia.edu/content/uva-sets-early-action-application-record-including-large-increases-minority-and-first

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You always cite this tired, context-less stuff. UVA had 10% first-generation students last year. Yale and Princeton had 17%. UVA, at 13%, had a lower percentage of Pell Grant eligible students than any Ivy League school. That said, Wake is the lowest of all USNews national unversities at only 9% Pell.

And that means what exactly? You keep citing pell grants as something people should care about. You do know it's a federal program that the universities have nothing to do with, don't you?

If a school has more Pell Grant recipients, it means it has more students that qualify for it because of low income. It speaks to the economic diversity of students. USNews now uses Pell, by the way.

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Anonymous wrote:Wake's Med school is ranked 15th in the country, so I don't think they are lacking in the hard sciences.

I didn't even know they had a Med School. No one I know or any doctor I see went there.

Well thanks, that’s all we need to know. Obviously since you have no experience it’s no good at all. Heck I’d be surprised if it even existed since you didn’t know it existed. Hey, thanks for setting the record straight. We’re grateful.

I don't know of anywhere Wake is ranked 15th. It is steep competition for top medical schools. USNews has them tied for 52. UVA is tied for 26.

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Anonymous wrote:Wake's Med school is ranked 15th in the country, so I don't think they are lacking in the hard sciences.

I didn't even know they had a Med School. No one I know or any doctor I see went there.

Well thanks, that’s all we need to know. Obviously since you have no experience it’s no good at all. Heck I’d be surprised if it even existed since you didn’t know it existed. Hey, thanks for setting the record straight. We’re grateful.

I don't know of anywhere Wake is ranked 15th. It is steep competition for top medical schools. USNews has them tied for 52. UVA is tied for 26.

Gotcha. Didn’t say it was. Merely replying to the dumb (but common) DCUM rationale “I haven’t heard of it ergo...”

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Anonymous wrote:Wake's Med school is ranked 15th in the country, so I don't think they are lacking in the hard sciences.

I didn't even know they had a Med School. No one I know or any doctor I see went there.

Well thanks, that’s all we need to know. Obviously since you have no experience it’s no good at all. Heck I’d be surprised if it even existed since you didn’t know it existed. Hey, thanks for setting the record straight. We’re grateful.

I don't know of anywhere Wake is ranked 15th. It is steep competition for top medical schools. USNews has them tied for 52. UVA is tied for 26.

Gotcha. Didn’t say it was. Merely replying to the dumb (but common) DCUM rationale “I haven’t heard of it ergo...”

It ranks 63 out of 93 for primary care. Not impressive. I don't know anyone who graduated from the med school.

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, those scary ROVA kids. Why on earth would someone raise their child in ROVA?

It's not that they are scary or gun toting. The original comment about ROVA was that it makes UVA a bit more sheltered/parochial than Wake which draws from a larger geography.

Wake Forest's student body is more cosmopolitan - like Vanderbilt and Emory, WF has broadened the area that they attract students from.

Total BS. UVA has students from all 50 states and 183 countries. It also has questbridge students, low income students, first generation students, URM, and its student body is comprised of 94% top ten percent high school students. https://news.virginia.edu/content/uva-sets-early-action-application-record-including-large-increases-minority-and-first

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You always cite this tired, context-less stuff. UVA had 10% first-generation students last year. Yale and Princeton had 17%. UVA, at 13%, had a lower percentage of Pell Grant eligible students than any Ivy League school. That said, Wake is the lowest of all USNews national unversities at only 9% Pell.

And that means what exactly? You keep citing pell grants as something people should care about. You do know it's a federal program that the universities have nothing to do with, don't you?

If a school has more Pell Grant recipients, it means it has more students that qualify for it because of low income. It speaks to the economic diversity of students. USNews now uses Pell, by the way.

Yes, everyone know that USN&WR cites that in data column (new-ish development), but it is a federal program so really why would anyone care when they are comparing schools? Especially if it's only percentage up or down. So you are saying that Wake Forest has less diverse student body because of its low pell grant percentage. And you are saying that's a bad thing, right? But you can't compare state universities (catering to the state, including the poor) to private SLACs in that same state. Just like you can't compare UCLA's Pell grant score to Pepperdine's. State schools have a different mission than the privates. The problem with USN&WR is that it tries to compare them all so you end up some pretty absurd lists. The better approach is to stick with the rankings that are SLACs only, LACs only, Universities and Public Universiities.

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, those scary ROVA kids. Why on earth would someone raise their child in ROVA?

It's not that they are scary or gun toting. The original comment about ROVA was that it makes UVA a bit more sheltered/parochial than Wake which draws from a larger geography.

Wake Forest's student body is more cosmopolitan - like Vanderbilt and Emory, WF has broadened the area that they attract students from.

Total BS. UVA has students from all 50 states and 183 countries. It also has questbridge students, low income students, first generation students, URM, and its student body is comprised of 94% top ten percent high school students. https://news.virginia.edu/content/uva-sets-early-action-application-record-including-large-increases-minority-and-first

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You always cite this tired, context-less stuff. UVA had 10% first-generation students last year. Yale and Princeton had 17%. UVA, at 13%, had a lower percentage of Pell Grant eligible students than any Ivy League school. That said, Wake is the lowest of all USNews national unversities at only 9% Pell.

And that means what exactly? You keep citing pell grants as something people should care about. You do know it's a federal program that the universities have nothing to do with, don't you?

If a school has more Pell Grant recipients, it means it has more students that qualify for it because of low income. It speaks to the economic diversity of students. USNews now uses Pell, by the way.

Yes, everyone know that USN&WR cites that in data column (new-ish development), but it is a federal program so really why would anyone care when they are comparing schools? Especially if it's only percentage up or down. So you are saying that Wake Forest has less diverse student body because of its low pell grant percentage. And you are saying that's a bad thing, right? But you can't compare state universities (catering to the state, including the poor) to private SLACs in that same state. Just like you can't compare UCLA's Pell grant score to Pepperdine's. State schools have a different mission than the privates. The problem with USN&WR is that it tries to compare them all so you end up some pretty absurd lists. The better approach is to stick with the rankings that are SLACs only, LACs only, Universities and Public Universiities.

It was simply a response to the person who posted about UVA having such a diverse student body with a high percentage of international students, lower income students, first generation students. Pell was the best proxy for "lower income students". First generation and international can be measured directly. Comparatively speaking, the claim was not true.

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Anonymous wrote:Wake's Med school is ranked 15th in the country, so I don't think they are lacking in the hard sciences.

I didn't even know they had a Med School. No one I know or any doctor I see went there.

This statement is much more a reflection on you than Wake.

The biggest difference is size. Does your kid want the smaller private school experience (Wake’s student body is less than 6000) or the big public university experience?

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Anonymous wrote:UVA has a better reputation.

In the DMV, but they have the same ranking nationally. UVA is revered in this area, but the range of UVA's reputation is far less than many here imagine.

You are silly.

UVA is much stronger than Wake in NYC, Boston, SF, Seattle. Top firms recruit more at McIntire than WF.

The national ranking is complete crap.

I would love to see a ranking done by FT or WSJ that ranks schools by placement in Bulge Bracket IB's, Buyside Finance, Google, MSFT, Facebook, Apple, Palantir, MBB-Consulting, CIA DI/NCS, State FSO, marketing at Ogilvy/WPP, etc. I.E. jobs at firms that UG's really want.

WSJ did a ranking based on 'feeder' schools to top grad programs in law and medicine:

http://anayambaker.hubpages.com/hub/Wall-Street-Journal-College-Rankings-The-Full-List-and-Rating-Criteria

This is much more valuable than silly USNEWS.

This isn't even close. By reputation, UVA wins this fight easily. I don't even know where Wake Forest is.

I don't either. Never even heard of it until a friend's DD attended Wake as a legacy. She transferred out of there as fast as she could - now finishing up at a much better school. UVA by the way is no 2 on the USN&WR listing of public universities in the united states. You can't lump a public university in with private colleges which is what the UMD types try to do to bring UVA down. It's been up there with UCLA and Berkeley battling it out for years for top 3 positions. Always ahead of Michigan. You can try to claim its provincial if you are OOS but the fact is that more than a third of the school (and much greater at the grad school level) are OOS and internationsl. At UCLA and Berkeley that figure is only 80%. The rest are instate californians. http://provost.virginia.edu/us-news-gives-uva-no-2-public-university-ranking

UVA is 25th among national universities and Wake is 27th, that is essentially a tie. Need to look elsewhere for differences.

If you don’t even know where Wake is, you seem a bit provencial.

Personally, I wouldn’t pay oos tuition for UVA, mostly because it is too close to home (MD) but I would send my kids to Michigan, or Berkeley/UCLA.

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Wake and UVA are an interesting comparison. Wake is a school of the 1% financially and that’s the student body. Hard working and lots of international travel. I’ve travelled all over the world and met wake grads every where.
UVA is a state school with many more and diverse grads. Some schools there ( law business medicine) are very elite and others are not so much.

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Anonymous wrote:Wake and UVA are an interesting comparison. Wake is a school of the 1% financially and that’s the student body. Hard working and lots of international travel. I’ve travelled all over the world and met wake grads every where.
UVA is a state school with many more and diverse grads. Some schools there ( law business medicine) are very elite and others are not so much.

Or about a fifth of the student body.

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Anonymous wrote:Wake and UVA are an interesting comparison. Wake is a school of the 1% financially and that’s the student body. Hard working and lots of international travel. I’ve travelled all over the world and met wake grads every where.
UVA is a state school with many more and diverse grads. Some schools there ( law business medicine) are very elite and others are not so much.

I think some good points here that may need clarification. First, as stated, Wake and UVA are quite different in size. If someone applying has a strong preference for a school type, that may be more significant than reputation differences (assuming costs differences are not a factor).

A NY Times study had some interesting data on incomes at schools. I'm not sure where they get it if the students don't get federal aid, but I'm assuming they have their sources. The data said that the median family income of a student from Wake Forest is $221,500, 71% come from the top 20 percent, and 22% come from the top 1%. The median family income of a student from Virginia is $155,500, 67% come from the top 20 percent, and 8.5% come from the top 1%. Wake is one of the highest for top 1% students, but UVA is perhaps characterized as pretty solidly upper middle class with a fair percentage of top 1%.

William & Mary may be more similar to Wake in size, feel, and scope. The median family income of a student from William & Mary is $176,400, 73% come from the top 20 percent, and 6.5% come from the top 1%. Wake is probably going to be somewhat more Greek and conservative than W&M.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is 4 years old. Fight club all you want, but don’t waste your time advising OP.

Hilarious!