DC CAS popular schools summary

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the sad part: The number being reported is the percentage scoring "proficient" or above. The cut-off for proficient on the DC-CAS puts you at the 16th percentile nationwide. Basically, if your school isn't scoring 84% proficient or higher, it's below average for a US school. I count ten schools that meet that level.

Did you attend Capitol Hill Montessori with your math skills or taught math there?

If the cut-off for "proficient" is the equivalent of the 16th percentile nationwide and a school scores 34% proficient math - it means that 34% of the students are at the 16th percentile or above nationwide for math.

Not that you need 84% of the students to be proficient or above to beat the national avg. You cannot simple subtract 100%-16%=84%. Those numbers are talking about 2 entirely different things.

"The cut-off for proficient on the DC-CAS puts you at the 16th percentile nationwide" means that nationwide, 84% of students score proficient or above. I'll agree, it was a little imprecise to say that a school scoring below 84% proficient is "below average for a US school." What would be more correct would be to say that a school scoring below 84% is below what you would expect if you selected a group of US citizens at random. But you're way off base saying "those numbers are talking about 2 entirely different things." A typical student at the school in your example, where 34% score proficient, is clearly behind a typical US student.

Which brings up a peeve of mine, the way in which DC-CAS scores are reported. Specifically, they are reported in a way to obscure as much information as possible. Kids take the test, they get a percent correct. It would be very easy just to report the average percent correct for each school -- and perhaps throw in the standard deviation for the statistically minded. But instead they collect them into groups, and report the percentage in each group -- which is more work, and provides less information. Since it is more work, I have to conclude that DCPS does this deliberately, because they don't want people knowing the raw test scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is there ANY EoP DCPS or charter school with a non-Hispanic White majority? No. That includes SWW.

There are only six schools in DCPS that are majority white - Janney, Key, Lafayette, Mann, Murch and Stoddert -- and they are all elementary schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the sad part: The number being reported is the percentage scoring "proficient" or above. The cut-off for proficient on the DC-CAS puts you at the 16th percentile nationwide. Basically, if your school isn't scoring 84% proficient or higher, it's below average for a US school. I count ten schools that meet that level.

Did you attend Capitol Hill Montessori with your math skills or taught math there?

If the cut-off for "proficient" is the equivalent of the 16th percentile nationwide and a school scores 34% proficient math - it means that 34% of the students are at the 16th percentile or above nationwide for math.

Not that you need 84% of the students to be proficient or above to beat the national avg. You cannot simple subtract 100%-16%=84%. Those numbers are talking about 2 entirely different things.

"The cut-off for proficient on the DC-CAS puts you at the 16th percentile nationwide" means that nationwide, 84% of students score proficient or above. I'll agree, it was a little imprecise to say that a school scoring below 84% proficient is "below average for a US school." What would be more correct would be to say that a school scoring below 84% is below what you would expect if you selected a group of US citizens at random. But you're way off base saying "those numbers are talking about 2 entirely different things." A typical student at the school in your example, where 34% score proficient, is clearly behind a typical US student.

Which brings up a peeve of mine, the way in which DC-CAS scores are reported. Specifically, they are reported in a way to obscure as much information as possible. Kids take the test, they get a percent correct. It would be very easy just to report the average percent correct for each school -- and perhaps throw in the standard deviation for the statistically minded. But instead they collect them into groups, and report the percentage in each group -- which is more work, and provides less information. Since it is more work, I have to conclude that DCPS does this deliberately, because they don't want people knowing the raw test scores.

No, those DCPS schools scoring 84% proficient reading/math on the DC-CAS has 84% of its students scoring in the 16th percentile in reading/math nationally according to your numbers. I agree not a high standard by any means. I hope you are not a math teacher...

[Anonymous]

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No, those DCPS schools scoring 84% proficient reading/math on the DC-CAS has 84% of its students scoring in the 16th percentile in reading/math nationally according to your numbers. I agree not a high standard by any means. I hope you are not a math teacher...

Percentile doesn't mean what you think it means.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the sad part: The number being reported is the percentage scoring "proficient" or above. The cut-off for proficient on the DC-CAS puts you at the 16th percentile nationwide. Basically, if your school isn't scoring 84% proficient or higher, it's below average for a US school. I count ten schools that meet that level.

Did you attend Capitol Hill Montessori with your math skills or taught math there?

If the cut-off for "proficient" is the equivalent of the 16th percentile nationwide and a school scores 34% proficient math - it means that 34% of the students are at the 16th percentile or above nationwide for math.

Not that you need 84% of the students to be proficient or above to beat the national avg. You cannot simple subtract 100%-16%=84%. Those numbers are talking about 2 entirely different things.

"The cut-off for proficient on the DC-CAS puts you at the 16th percentile nationwide" means that nationwide, 84% of students score proficient or above. I'll agree, it was a little imprecise to say that a school scoring below 84% proficient is "below average for a US school." What would be more correct would be to say that a school scoring below 84% is below what you would expect if you selected a group of US citizens at random. But you're way off base saying "those numbers are talking about 2 entirely different things." A typical student at the school in your example, where 34% score proficient, is clearly behind a typical US student.

Which brings up a peeve of mine, the way in which DC-CAS scores are reported. Specifically, they are reported in a way to obscure as much information as possible. Kids take the test, they get a percent correct. It would be very easy just to report the average percent correct for each school -- and perhaps throw in the standard deviation for the statistically minded. But instead they collect them into groups, and report the percentage in each group -- which is more work, and provides less information. Since it is more work, I have to conclude that DCPS does this deliberately, because they don't want people knowing the raw test scores.

No, those DCPS schools scoring 84% proficient reading/math on the DC-CAS has 84% of its students scoring in the 16th percentile in reading/math nationally according to your numbers. I agree not a high standard by any means. I hope you are not a math teacher...

Doesn't the 84% include proficient and advanced?

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Anonymous wrote:Really makes me wonder why more kids don't attempt Banneker.

Too many brown kids...be real. Not my opinion, but i've seen a lot of this on this site.

So much for the theory that the only way to improve scores is to attract "white/affluent" students and their "likley to be involved" parents.

True. Equally, so much for the theory (common in some education circles to pass the ball) that the only way to improve education is to end poverty.

It's not the only way. But systemic poverty creates perpetual inequality. Especially in a district where PTA wealth makes a huge difference in staffing and school amenities.

The public funding per student in DC is higher than most states - including those that perform better. So, please forget that PTA excuse. The resources are there. The question is how they are spent so they result in educational outcomes.

[Anonymous]

Anyone knows when results will be broken down by school and grade?

For Oyster-Adams, for example, I can't find the Adams, middle-school numbers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is there ANY EoP DCPS or charter school with a non-Hispanic White majority? No. That includes SWW.

There are only six schools in DCPS that are majority white - Janney, Key, Lafayette, Mann, Murch and Stoddert -- and they are all elementary schools.

No, seven. Brent is also majority white.

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Anonymous wrote:Banneker is for Blacks and SWW is for whites. Did anyone notice that Eastern has the second highest test scores for the comprehensive schools. Wilson is number one but they have triple the tenth grade population in comparison to Eastern. Eastern came on strong and looks good on paper and that's nothing to sneeze at.

Strong, with not even half the student testing proficient? You'd need test scores in the 70s+ to attract most of the parents Eastern is supposed to serve. Um, affluent Hill residents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there ANY EoP DCPS or charter school with a non-Hispanic White majority? No. That includes SWW.

There are only six schools in DCPS that are majority white - Janney, Key, Lafayette, Mann, Murch and Stoddert -- and they are all elementary schools.

7, counting school within school

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is there ANY EoP DCPS or charter school with a non-Hispanic White majority? No. That includes SWW.

So where do the white students go?

white children are still a minority in dcps and a lot of them go charter or private.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there ANY EoP DCPS or charter school with a non-Hispanic White majority? No. That includes SWW.

There are only six schools in DCPS that are majority white - Janney, Key, Lafayette, Mann, Murch and Stoddert -- and they are all elementary schools.

No, seven. Brent is also majority white.

Correct - from DCPS website (for Brent):

STUDENT DEMOGRAPHICS
(2012-13)
Enrollment: 358

Black: 22%
Hispanic/Latino: 8%
White: 64%
Asian: 2%
Pacific/Hawaiian: 0%
Native/Alaskan: 0%
Multiple races: 5%

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there ANY EoP DCPS or charter school with a non-Hispanic White majority? No. That includes SWW.

So where do the white students go?

Private, Virginia or MoCo. Simple.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Banneker is for Blacks and SWW is for whites. Did anyone notice that Eastern has the second highest test scores for the comprehensive schools. Wilson is number one but they have triple the tenth grade population in comparison to Eastern. Eastern came on strong and looks good on paper and that's nothing to sneeze at.

Strong, with not even half the student testing proficient? You'd need test scores in the 70s+ to attract most of the parents Eastern is supposed to serve. Um, affluent Hill residents.




Don't know why you keep raving about Eastern, as previously posted they had no previous scores so there is no way of knowing how those students did. Their scores may have actually gone down at Eastern, only the parents will know who have scores from previous so stop raving about Eastern.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:we were excited about getting into EL Haynes, but scores this year...not so hot.

I agree. What's going on with Haynes? I thought past years were higher.