DC CAS popular schools summary

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Are the DC CAS for the kids who started at YY in preK?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In summary:

DCPS costs more.

Credibility of saying otherwise: 0

Dead horse: well beaten

Lot of heat. How about some light?

I thought I'd look into the numbers, because I couldn't see where the $30M comes from. Here's the mayor's budget page: http://cfo.dc.gov/node/464702

DCPS serves 47,247 students.
DCPS's budget is $830 Million
That's $17,575 per student

Public Charter schools have 37,410
Their budget is $616.5 Million
That's $16,479 per student.

So where does $30K per student come from?

It must be:
$31 million - teacher's retirement fund
$80 million - Special Ed. in non-DCPS schools tuition (down from $120M last year!)
$88 million - Special Ed. transportation

Add all that in and you get $21,787 per student -- but that's still not $30K, so what's missing?

$436 million for the State Superintendent of Education

Add all that up and divide by 47,247 and you get $31,015 per student, all in.

To be fair, you have to add in the Public Charter School Board's budget of $4.2 million, raising the total cost of charters to $16,591 per student.

But what is the State Superintendent of Education, and what's it doing with the $436M?
The budget document says the SSI does this:
* manages and distributes federal funding to education providers
* develops state-level education policies and standards
* provides technical support to increase effectiveness among education providers
* administers for the District, Special Education Transportation; Non-public Tuition; and District of Columbia Public Charter Schools payments (oops?)

So. Now you have the data. Argue about whether non-public tuition, special ed. transportation, and OSSI serve exclusively DCPS rather than charter schools.

Thanks for doing the math and actually (*gasp*) providing facts and figures…not just your opinion. Now sit back and wait for the anti-DCPS activists to claim that DC public schools still get more money, per pupil (with nothing to back it up) than charters. You’ll have to keep “subtracting” from the charters’ per pupil funding until it falls below DCPS funding to satisfy those bloodthirsty jackals. Good luck!

[Anonymous]

^^no dog in this fight. Question, does the per pupil funding amount also include facilities? It's hard to imagine that there is equal comparison when some schools don't have to spend $ on million dollar mortgages or rent. Also, I imagine charters have to pay a slightly higher salary to teachers to make up for the lack of pension etc.

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Anonymous wrote:I also attend our IB DCPS-- but the above posting is ridic. It just isn't an option for all DC residents to attend a great IB school regardless of willingness to "make some financial sacrifices". there just isn't enough housing in those limited areas.

I agree, but there are about 100 apartments available for rent to make your kid IB in West of the park.And that just around 2 schools.It's limited, but not full,far from it.And please don't start with your not all can afford blah-blah-blah.I make 48k and live here.
It is about choices.

I make $38k maybe a few K more with OT. I could never afford to live wotp. I envy those that can. Even if everyone could make it work as you suggest, how much do you think Janney and Deal could accommodate? That kind of thinking makes no sense to me and is quite disheartening to hear.

My tenant who works at grocery store lives WofP.I makes under 30k.

Exception, not the norm. You show me one place available for a family that takes home $1875 per month. I am so sick of hearing these stories. I'm not saying it doesn't happen (rare studios etc), but the entire point is #1 there is not enough inventory for EVERYONE with kids to love WOTP, and #2 even if there were, how could the 5 decent schools accommodate them all? Stupidity exists no matter the income or education level. Ugh!

Ugh, then don't take 100 of your closest friends with you and stop complaining that you can't.You haven't even tried to get an apartment here but willing to complain since not all fit.WTh!

why should someone even have to try to get an apartment WOTP? Shouldn't they be allowed to expect that their child can receive a good education regardless of where they live in the city?

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Wait, wait, wait - OSSE has a budget of almost half a billion dollars? And what do they do again?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^no dog in this fight. Question, does the per pupil funding amount also include facilities? It's hard to imagine that there is equal comparison when some schools don't have to spend $ on million dollar mortgages or rent. Also, I imagine charters have to pay a slightly higher salary to teachers to make up for the lack of pension etc.

Anonymous wrote:^^no dog in this fight. Question, does the per pupil funding amount also include facilities? It's hard to imagine that there is equal comparison when some schools don't have to spend $ on million dollar mortgages or rent. Also, I imagine charters have to pay a slightly higher salary to teachers to make up for the lack of pension etc.

Budget poster here: No, it apparently does not. According to here: http://cfo.dc.gov/page/current-and-past-fiscal-year-budget (page 6-4 on the Capital Improvement Plan)

DCPS is spending $455M on capital projects for DCPS for fy2014. That's a lot.* For comparison's sake, there was $250M of capital projects for theOffice of Public Education Facilities MOdernization in 2010.

So if you add $830M & $455M ($1.28B) and divide by 47,247, you get $27,197 per student. That's without special ed., non-public tuition, teacher's retirement, or the Office of the State Superintendent of Education.

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*Note: There's another $8M in there for special ed. transportation capital improvement projects. WTF?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wait, wait, wait - OSSE has a budget of almost half a billion dollars? And what do they do again?

Looks like mostly they give out money. But not that money.

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Anonymous wrote:^^no dog in this fight. Question, does the per pupil funding amount also include facilities? It's hard to imagine that there is equal comparison when some schools don't have to spend $ on million dollar mortgages or rent. Also, I imagine charters have to pay a slightly higher salary to teachers to make up for the lack of pension etc.

Anonymous wrote:^^no dog in this fight. Question, does the per pupil funding amount also include facilities? It's hard to imagine that there is equal comparison when some schools don't have to spend $ on million dollar mortgages or rent. Also, I imagine charters have to pay a slightly higher salary to teachers to make up for the lack of pension etc.

Budget poster here: No, it apparently does not. According to here: http://cfo.dc.gov/page/current-and-past-fiscal-year-budget (page 6-4 on the Capital Improvement Plan)

DCPS is spending $455M on capital projects for DCPS for fy2014. That's a lot.* For comparison's sake, there was $250M of capital projects for theOffice of Public Education Facilities MOdernization in 2010.

So if you add $830M & $455M ($1.28B) and divide by 47,247, you get $27,197 per student. That's without special ed., non-public tuition, teacher's retirement, or the Office of the State Superintendent of Education.

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*Note: There's another $8M in there for special ed. transportation capital improvement projects. WTF?

Thanks for doing this. Very informative. The $8 mil for sp Ed transportation Capitol improvement projects?!? Maybe DCPS will build a garage and improve parking for all those little school buses parked in their lots along NY Ave? Wonder how many buses they have - judging by the number of buses on those lots, it makes you wonder if they have a bus for every 1-2 Sp Ed student. Probably cheaper to buy every sp Ed kid's family a car to drive the kid to school themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:Really makes me wonder why more kids don't attempt Banneker.

Too many brown kids...be real. Not my opinion, but i've seen a lot of this on this site.

So much for the theory that the only way to improve scores is to attract "white/affluent" students and their "likley to be involved" parents.

New poster here. Agree but it doesn't matter what you say about Banneker, a lot of white middle and upper income people just won't even give it a look. Their loss.

I'm a white mother of preschoolers and can't imagine that this is remotely true. The only thing I have ever heard about Banneker is that it is a top notch high school. I've never heard race discussed among the "white" parents that hope to have their children attend one day.

+1! It's true. Mother of a middle schooler keeping an eye on Banneker myself.

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Anonymous wrote:I also attend our IB DCPS-- but the above posting is ridic. It just isn't an option for all DC residents to attend a great IB school regardless of willingness to "make some financial sacrifices". there just isn't enough housing in those limited areas.

I agree, but there are about 100 apartments available for rent to make your kid IB in West of the park.And that just around 2 schools.It's limited, but not full,far from it.And please don't start with your not all can afford blah-blah-blah.I make 48k and live here.
It is about choices.

I make $38k maybe a few K more with OT. I could never afford to live wotp. I envy those that can. Even if everyone could make it work as you suggest, how much do you think Janney and Deal could accommodate? That kind of thinking makes no sense to me and is quite disheartening to hear.

My tenant who works at grocery store lives WofP.I makes under 30k.

Exception, not the norm. You show me one place available for a family that takes home $1875 per month. I am so sick of hearing these stories. I'm not saying it doesn't happen (rare studios etc), but the entire point is #1 there is not enough inventory for EVERYONE with kids to love WOTP, and #2 even if there were, how could the 5 decent schools accommodate them all? Stupidity exists no matter the income or education level. Ugh!

Ugh, then don't take 100 of your closest friends with you and stop complaining that you can't.You haven't even tried to get an apartment here but willing to complain since not all fit.WTh!

why should someone even have to try to get an apartment WOTP? Shouldn't they be allowed to expect that their child can receive a good education regardless of where they live in the city?

Ideally, but just ask the parents who went to last spring meeting at Stuart Hobson with their concerns only to be told that SH was expanding sports for girls -- when what the parents really wanted were more challenging academic programs. EOTP, you rarely get what you want.

[Anonymous]

The Census Bureau did a detailed analysis and arrived at a number of $28,000 per student (in 2010)

http://www2.census.gov/govs/school/10f33pub.pdf

Note also that charters don't partake in any of the hundreds of millions in facility expenditures, hundreds of millions in teacher retirement et cetera.

Unlike DCPS, their budget numbers are what they are and tell the full story - they are making do with half as much funding.

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Anonymous wrote:^^no dog in this fight. Question, does the per pupil funding amount also include facilities? It's hard to imagine that there is equal comparison when some schools don't have to spend $ on million dollar mortgages or rent. Also, I imagine charters have to pay a slightly higher salary to teachers to make up for the lack of pension etc.

Anonymous wrote:^^no dog in this fight. Question, does the per pupil funding amount also include facilities? It's hard to imagine that there is equal comparison when some schools don't have to spend $ on million dollar mortgages or rent. Also, I imagine charters have to pay a slightly higher salary to teachers to make up for the lack of pension etc.

Budget poster here: No, it apparently does not. According to here: http://cfo.dc.gov/page/current-and-past-fiscal-year-budget (page 6-4 on the Capital Improvement Plan)

DCPS is spending $455M on capital projects for DCPS for fy2014. That's a lot.* For comparison's sake, there was $250M of capital projects for theOffice of Public Education Facilities MOdernization in 2010.

So if you add $830M & $455M ($1.28B) and divide by 47,247, you get $27,197 per student. That's without special ed., non-public tuition, teacher's retirement, or the Office of the State Superintendent of Education.

_______
*Note: There's another $8M in there for special ed. transportation capital improvement projects. WTF?

Thanks for doing this. Very informative. The $8 mil for sp Ed transportation Capitol improvement projects?!? Maybe DCPS will build a garage and improve parking for all those little school buses parked in their lots along NY Ave? Wonder how many buses they have - judging by the number of buses on those lots, it makes you wonder if they have a bus for every 1-2 Sp Ed student. Probably cheaper to buy every sp Ed kid's family a car to drive the kid to school themselves.

Gee, for just a couple hundred bucks they could buy some software that will figure out an optimal bus route. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXPxNvuhiPw - they could probably get rid of a chunk of that bus fleet and save a couple million.

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Anonymous wrote:^^no dog in this fight. Question, does the per pupil funding amount also include facilities? It's hard to imagine that there is equal comparison when some schools don't have to spend $ on million dollar mortgages or rent. Also, I imagine charters have to pay a slightly higher salary to teachers to make up for the lack of pension etc.

Charters pay less than DCPS and in generally have more TFA/trainee teachers, some of them are linked with universities. For example, Haynes and American Uni.

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Anonymous wrote:Really makes me wonder why more kids don't attempt Banneker.

Too many brown kids...be real. Not my opinion, but i've seen a lot of this on this site.

So much for the theory that the only way to improve scores is to attract "white/affluent" students and their "likley to be involved" parents.

New poster here. Agree but it doesn't matter what you say about Banneker, a lot of white middle and upper income people just won't even give it a look. Their loss.

I'm a white mother of preschoolers and can't imagine that this is remotely true. The only thing I have ever heard about Banneker is that it is a top notch high school. I've never heard race discussed among the "white" parents that hope to have their children attend one day.

+1! It's true. Mother of a middle schooler keeping an eye on Banneker myself.

How can it not be remotely true, when it is true, hence the absence of white students.

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Anonymous wrote:Really makes me wonder why more kids don't attempt Banneker.

Too many brown kids...be real. Not my opinion, but i've seen a lot of this on this site.

So much for the theory that the only way to improve scores is to attract "white/affluent" students and their "likley to be involved" parents.

New poster here. Agree but it doesn't matter what you say about Banneker, a lot of white middle and upper income people just won't even give it a look. Their loss.

I'm a white mother of preschoolers and can't imagine that this is remotely true. The only thing I have ever heard about Banneker is that it is a top notch high school. I've never heard race discussed among the "white" parents that hope to have their children attend one day.

+1! It's true. Mother of a middle schooler keeping an eye on Banneker myself.

How can it not be remotely true, when it is true, hence the absence of white students.

Agree. There have been many parent "keeping and eye" on Banneker yet none ever attend. Why would you need to keep an eye on a school that has been proven for many years? What is there to watch other than waiting for some white kids to start attending?