What if George Zimmerman DID act in self defense?

[Anonymous]

Really crappy situation regardless but think about it this way if it does not go to court for a "fair trial":

-Zimmerman will be looking behind his back for the REST of his life. He already has the Black Panthers with a 10k ransom out for him.

-He will likely be severely beaten or killed at some point if he is not arrested, prosecuted, etc...and even if he is and set free.

-His life is over no matter how you think about it. Yes he is still alive and that counts for something but his life is over as he knew it. And those are the consequences for his poor actions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

But that is exactly what Zimmerman did. Zimmerman posed a threat. He had a gun and was pursuing TM. Zimmerman advanced towards TM. So TM would have been justified in self defence.

And how do you know all of this? Clairvoyance, or is there actual evidence?

Also, assume all that is true. TM may have been justified in self-defense - but that doesn't mean Z is deprived of it in all circumstances. Isn't there eyewitness testimony, and corroborating physicalevidence that TM had Z on the ground, and was on top of him, hitting him? If so, that under FLorida's aggressor statute, self-defense is available to Z.

Which part do you think is in question? On the 911 tapes Zim clearly indicated he was following TM. Zim also possessed the weapon that killed TM. Which part is debatable????

What actually happened after GZ hung up the phone is unknown, with snippets pieced together from very limited eyewitness testimony and TM's call with his girlfriend. Virtually nothing has been firmly established. I happen to believe that is exactly what happened, but until more facts come out, it's not something you, I or anyone else assume with any certainty. In fact, Z claims he was headed back to his car. Although there's reason to question that statement.

But in any event, as I said, even if that's all true, and I think (think! not know!) it is, it doesn't automatically deprive GZ of a self-defense defense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This case will never go forward because it was prosecutorial misconduct PER SE not to have arrested Z at the scene. There are no post incident photos of Z to examine. This SOB got to go home and have a xanax and go to bed. The DA made that decision. There can be no examination of his "wounds" now to determine the extent of them to see if they rose to level that would cause a person to fear for his life. Why would the DA now go back on this decision not to arrest and prosecute Z and allow a case to go forward that would expose her bad judgement? No prosecutor's office goes six weeks without arresting a key suspect and then reverses that and goes to trial, barring the revelation of some new piece of evidence. THIS CASE WILL NOT GO TO TRIAL:

#1 Because the facts are in such dispute--DA's office doesn't take high profile cases they are likely to lose--it's a political decision.
#2 Critical evidence was not collected because Z was never arrested--DA's office can't make their case.

The original DA knew GZ's father. GZ's father was a retired judge in Orange County, the next county over.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That's what a trial is for.

this. I'm not asking for a conviction. Just an arrest. Just an investigation. You know, the kind where evidence is collected. Like, whose blood was on the ground. was there blood under either of the men's fingernails? Tox report on both men. Police interrogation of Zimmerman.

You know, basic criminal justice 101.

Sadly, it's too late for most of that and I believe Zimmerman will walk because the state will be unable to build a case against him with so many critical pieces of evidence uncollected. So now, as much as I want Zimmerman free, I want the anyone from the Sanford FL PD involved with this case removed from their duties.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Me again - People defending Zim – ask yourself if you would feel the same way if:

The teenager was a white male
The teenager was female
The teenager was a white female
It is clear that Zim, with hostile intent – meaning his intent was the opposite of friendly – pursued this teen. Despite the suggestion of the 911 operator. With a gun in hand. Confronted the teen. Teen is dead.

Even if TM attacked Zim – I believe it was TM who acted in self defense. The kid was probably scared out of his mind. TM was the one with the right to stand his ground.

Well we don't want to imagine that this could have been a white teenage. That Natalie Holloway's of the world are different from the Trayvon Martin's. Natalie is white. Trayvon is Black. Natalie should be able to fly to an exotic island and party all night without fear of being killed. Trayvon is not allowed to walk down a street alone after purchasing a bag of skittles. Do you not understand that white teenagers are not allowed to do the same things as Black teenagers. How dare you suggest otherwise. BTW--Trayvon should not wear hoodies, but Natalie can wear short skirts and halter tops, and it is not her fault. But, hoodies on Black teens, shame on them. Don't those boys know that their clothes are responsible for any bad encounters they may face.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's what a trial is for.

this. I'm not asking for a conviction. Just an arrest. Just an investigation. You know, the kind where evidence is collected. Like, whose blood was on the ground. was there blood under either of the men's fingernails? Tox report on both men. Police interrogation of Zimmerman.

You know, basic criminal justice 101.

Sadly, it's too late for most of that and I believe Zimmerman will walk because the state will be unable to build a case against him with so many critical pieces of evidence uncollected. So now, as much as I want Zimmerman free, I want the anyone from the Sanford FL PD involved with this case removed from their duties.

I can get on board with all of this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's what a trial is for.

this. I'm not asking for a conviction. Just an arrest. Just an investigation. You know, the kind where evidence is collected. Like, whose blood was on the ground. was there blood under either of the men's fingernails? Tox report on both men. Police interrogation of Zimmerman.

You know, basic criminal justice 101.

Sadly, it's too late for most of that and I believe Zimmerman will walk because the state will be unable to build a case against him with so many critical pieces of evidence uncollected. So now, as much as I want Zimmerman free, I want the anyone from the Sanford FL PD involved with this case removed from their duties.

I can get on board with all of this.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's still his fault. He shouldn't have put himself in that situation to begin with. 911 said don't act, he should have followed their command. If he stalked Trayvon and threatened him, Trayvon had the right to fight back. Trayvon didn't stalk him and it wouldn't have happened if this over-zealous vigilante had just waited for the police!

See but I disagree with this point. The minute that Trayvon posed a threat to Zimmerman (beating or aggression), in FL the law was on Zimmerman's side.

Also WTF is with the news using a photo of 13-year-old Trayvon?! Have you seen the recent photo of him - he is a BIG guy.

Oh, that's why Trayvon looked like such a young 17 yo.

I haven't read all the posts yet, but my white husband pointed out what he read/heard. What if Trayvon had been a white teenage boy? The Latino George Zimmerman with an Anglo name would be sitting in jail. Period.

[Anonymous]

And what if George Zimmerman had been black? This wouldn't even be being discussed -- this is an issue because people assumed George Zimmerman was white. The attention on this is based on virulent racism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The whole thing could have been avoided. If your kid gets suspended, why let them travel to Orlando? If you are on a neighborhood watch, why not call the police?

race does not need to be brougth into this case based on common sense thinking of parents and a over zealous wanna be cop

even more upsetting is kids are shot every single day, no outrage until race is involved. Let's try to end the deaths of the kids black, green, purple or white

Because that's where his dad lives? Kids who are suspended from school and whose divorced parents live in separate cities aren't allowed to visit the other parent?

so basically the poster is blaming either trayvon being suspended, his parents being divorced, or his father living in orlando for his death.

when are people going to stop trying to lay blame on trayvon? and my second question to the same people, why are you so intent on putting all this on trayvon? why are you giving the benefit of the doubt to zimmerman so bad? its ok to not want to see this in the eyes of racism cause you think we live in this pollyannaish racist free society, however to not have any ability to wonder how on the basic common sense level, zimmerman was not at least arrested and charged with something is beyond me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And what if George Zimmerman had been black? This wouldn't even be being discussed -- this is an issue because people assumed George Zimmerman was white. The attention on this is based on virulent racism.

wrong.

the problem is that nothing has happened to george zimmerman. no arrest. no full out investigation. nothing.

because you are hell bent on arguing the racial side of it remove it and ask yourself does it all make sense that nothing happened to him after this episode. im not talking about guilt here. im simply talking about an full out investigation into what happened and possibly charges being put against him. all this noise you and your ilk are throwing are for trial. im simply asking if you believe that a thorough investigation was conducted based on what you know how the investigation happened. is it not suspect enough of a story to you that at least zimmerman should face something for what happened.

again im not talking race at all in what im asking you so dont respond to me about black and white. i dont care for that right now

[Anonymous]

I swear if Zimmerman walks, changing his name, moving and undergoing plastic surgery would never be enough for him to dodge people looking for justice. I hope Zimmerman never gets a peaceful day or night. Ever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The whole thing could have been avoided. If your kid gets suspended, why let them travel to Orlando? If you are on a neighborhood watch, why not call the police?

race does not need to be brougth into this case based on common sense thinking of parents and a over zealous wanna be cop

even more upsetting is kids are shot every single day, no outrage until race is involved. Let's try to end the deaths of the kids black, green, purple or white

Because that's where his dad lives? Kids who are suspended from school and whose divorced parents live in separate cities aren't allowed to visit the other parent?

so basically the poster is blaming either trayvon being suspended, his parents being divorced, or his father living in orlando for his death.

when are people going to stop trying to lay blame on trayvon? and my second question to the same people, why are you so intent on putting all this on trayvon? why are you giving the benefit of the doubt to zimmerman so bad? its ok to not want to see this in the eyes of racism cause you think we live in this pollyannaish racist free society, however to not have any ability to wonder how on the basic common sense level, zimmerman was not at least arrested and charged with something is beyond me.

On that note, I'd love it if someone would answer why everyone is focused on Trayvon's three previous suspensions for NON-VIOLENT offenses and NOT on Zimmerman's three previous arrests for VIOLENT offenses?

[Anonymous]

I just wonder how everyone is sooooooooo sure that the story being circulated by race baiters is true and that zimmerman's account as well as that of the witness are lies?


Also you can't have a trial at this point unless a grand jury finds there's even enough evidence to bring a trial. Criminal justice 101- clearly pp just knows the CSI part.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just wonder how everyone is sooooooooo sure that the story being circulated by race baiters is true and that zimmerman's account as well as that of the witness are lies?


Also you can't have a trial at this point unless a grand jury finds there's even enough evidence to bring a trial. Criminal justice 101- clearly pp just knows the CSI part.

And how are the race baiters who believe Zimmerman is innocent of any wrongdoing soooooooo sure that the story being circulated by Zimmerman and one of the witnesses us true?