Is the Penn State story making anyone else feel horrible?

[Anonymous]

I am upset by a specific theme in this thread.

The first is that posters are more upset by the PSU situation because it was male rape, which by definition is generally seen as more unusual and therefore worse than male/female rape? Come on! Women/girls are raped daily/hourly/minutely and it is seen/reported/unreported and in far worse circumstances. I am insulted that the suggestion here is that this is more important bc less common.

Please correct my misunderstanding. I am sure you will. I have a DS and DD and have intentions to explain these issues EQUALLY although women are obviously at greater risk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am upset by a specific theme in this thread.

The first is that posters are more upset by the PSU situation because it was male rape, which by definition is generally seen as more unusual and therefore worse than male/female rape? Come on! Women/girls are raped daily/hourly/minutely and it is seen/reported/unreported and in far worse circumstances. I am insulted that the suggestion here is that this is more important bc less common.

Please correct my misunderstanding. I am sure you will. I have a DS and DD and have intentions to explain these issues EQUALLY although women are obviously at greater risk.

Rape and abuse of power - in this case of Penn state officials due to their greater than you attitude re. football- CRIMINAL neglect and abuse- it's despicable- regardless of male or female. So scary that a STUPID football team can command such CRIMINAL activities- they should clean house of EVERYONE involved and frankly stop football for 2 years. The riots by the students only further tarnished Penn State. It's going to be hard to get a job with that recent degree due to association (not sure- time will tell).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am upset by a specific theme in this thread.

The first is that posters are more upset by the PSU situation because it was male rape, which by definition is generally seen as more unusual and therefore worse than male/female rape? Come on! Women/girls are raped daily/hourly/minutely and it is seen/reported/unreported and in far worse circumstances. I am insulted that the suggestion here is that this is more important bc less common.

Please correct my misunderstanding. I am sure you will. I have a DS and DD and have intentions to explain these issues EQUALLY although women are obviously at greater risk.

People are "more" (and I would say instead "particularly") upset about this because (1) the person was a serial rapist with many victims over longer than a decade, (2) the victims were all children, (3) the person set up a children's charity in order to gain access to children to rape, (4) the person fostered and adopted children in order to rape them, (5) the person was discovered in the act by adults who did nothing to stop it, and (6) the other adults who were tasked with acting also did nothing to stop it. It has nothing to do with the children being boys, I am as particularly upset by this as I was by the father who kept his daughter in the basement and raped her for 25 years. The duration, number of victims, and repetition by a single perpetrator make both of these situations more shocking than other rapes, although all rapes are horrible.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am upset by a specific theme in this thread.

The first is that posters are more upset by the PSU situation because it was male rape, which by definition is generally seen as more unusual and therefore worse than male/female rape? Come on! Women/girls are raped daily/hourly/minutely and it is seen/reported/unreported and in far worse circumstances. I am insulted that the suggestion here is that this is more important bc less common.

Please correct my misunderstanding. I am sure you will. I have a DS and DD and have intentions to explain these issues EQUALLY although women are obviously at greater risk.

People are "more" (and I would say instead "particularly") upset about this because (1) the person was a serial rapist with many victims over longer than a decade, (2) the victims were all children, (3) the person set up a children's charity in order to gain access to children to rape, (4) the person fostered and adopted children in order to rape them, (5) the person was discovered in the act by adults who did nothing to stop it, and (6) the other adults who were tasked with acting also did nothing to stop it. It has nothing to do with the children being boys, I am as particularly upset by this as I was by the father who kept his daughter in the basement and raped her for 25 years. The duration, number of victims, and repetition by a single perpetrator make both of these situations more shocking than other rapes, although all rapes are horrible.

Very well summarized but include that
1) Penn state cover it up ("retirement")
2) Penn state gave pedophile full access to any facility and tickets etc. after honorable "retirement" - fully knowing he was a pedophile- he used it to lure new victims
3) Penn state covered everything up- not only is football king but a pedophile can go freely with honors due to criminal neglect (they should all go to court)
4) Penn state was basically an enabler

I am so disgusted that a stupid sport can be viewed above a pedophiles activities- not just that- but they let him have free reign- so disgusting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am upset by a specific theme in this thread.

The first is that posters are more upset by the PSU situation because it was male rape, which by definition is generally seen as more unusual and therefore worse than male/female rape? Come on! Women/girls are raped daily/hourly/minutely and it is seen/reported/unreported and in far worse circumstances. I am insulted that the suggestion here is that this is more important bc less common.

Please correct my misunderstanding. I am sure you will. I have a DS and DD and have intentions to explain these issues EQUALLY although women are obviously at greater risk.

I've heard it said that it's not as bad for a female because she will be penetrated during sex as an adult whereas a male generally will not. But I agree with you that it doesn't happen to males as frequently as it does to females. It's equally terrible.

[Anonymous]

I am as horrified by this as I would be if girls were the victims. He took advantage of and probably emotionaqlly destroyed children and all these "heroes" of Penn State looked the other way. The sad thing is I suspect other scandals will come out at other Universities in time. How on earth did Paterno and others sleep at night? How did they live with themselves? I wonder if the boys were sons of wealthy donors would Paterno and others looked the other way or would just knowing wealthy parents would rip them a part and destroy their lives make them suddenly develop a sense of "ethics."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am as horrified by this as I would be if girls were the victims. He took advantage of and probably emotionaqlly destroyed children and all these "heroes" of Penn State looked the other way. The sad thing is I suspect other scandals will come out at other Universities in time. How on earth did Paterno and others sleep at night? How did they live with themselves? I wonder if the boys were sons of wealthy donors would Paterno and others looked the other way or would just knowing wealthy parents would rip them a part and destroy their lives make them suddenly develop a sense of "ethics."

The message they were receiving was that they were doing a good job winning games, bringing in money for the school and increasing the school's good reputation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am upset by a specific theme in this thread.

The first is that posters are more upset by the PSU situation because it was male rape, which by definition is generally seen as more unusual and therefore worse than male/female rape? Come on! Women/girls are raped daily/hourly/minutely and it is seen/reported/unreported and in far worse circumstances. I am insulted that the suggestion here is that this is more important bc less common.

Please correct my misunderstanding. I am sure you will. I have a DS and DD and have intentions to explain these issues EQUALLY although women are obviously at greater risk.

I don't see people being more upset because the victims were male - are you sure you're not reading into something that is not there? I see them being upset because they were children and it went on for years.

I will say that I feel bad for male victims however. They are less likely to report abuse because there is a lot of stigma involved and often they face jokes and stereotypes. But that isn't saying I don't feel bad for female victims. Rape and abuse is horrible, no matter what the gender of the victim is.

[Anonymous]

I am referring to this - http://www.lifeinitaly.com/forum/threads/4631-High-School-Sports-in-Italy - as it starts in high school (and even in middle school here in the States).

good luck translating

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Anonymous wrote:The behavior of Penn State students supporting Paterno is sickening. Reporters were stoned, vans overturned and fires set and NO ONE was arrested. The whole college football culture is sickening. DD was planning to apply to PSU next year, but there is no way now.

nah - too narrrow, PP

It's the sports culture in the US that's sickening!
I heard one reporter make reference to "sports jingoism." I totally get it now.

You need to get out more. Sports culture throughout the world is crazy. It's not just a U.S. thing.

Really?

So you have friends and family in other countries?

I can tell you that sports are EXTRACURRICULAR activities in Europe. There is no sis boom rah rah crap in school.

I need to get out more?

nah . . . been there many many times

yeah, there is no soccer hooliganism in Europe .... good point!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am as horrified by this as I would be if girls were the victims. He took advantage of and probably emotionaqlly destroyed children and all these "heroes" of Penn State looked the other way. The sad thing is I suspect other scandals will come out at other Universities in time. How on earth did Paterno and others sleep at night? How did they live with themselves? I wonder if the boys were sons of wealthy donors would Paterno and others looked the other way or would just knowing wealthy parents would rip them a part and destroy their lives make them suddenly develop a sense of "ethics."

Have you read the news AT ALL? These were kids in a charity set up by Sandusky. They were vulnerable, troubled children. They most certainly not sons of wealthy donors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am as horrified by this as I would be if girls were the victims. He took advantage of and probably emotionaqlly destroyed children and all these "heroes" of Penn State looked the other way. The sad thing is I suspect other scandals will come out at other Universities in time. How on earth did Paterno and others sleep at night? How did they live with themselves? I wonder if the boys were sons of wealthy donors would Paterno and others looked the other way or would just knowing wealthy parents would rip them a part and destroy their lives make them suddenly develop a sense of "ethics."

Have you read the news AT ALL? These were kids in a charity set up by Sandusky. They were vulnerable, troubled children. They most certainly not sons of wealthy donors.

Think PP was also emphasizing the vulnerability of the victims, ie, Paterno and others wouldn't have looked the other way if these were the children of wealthy donors rather than underprivileged children.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am as horrified by this as I would be if girls were the victims. He took advantage of and probably emotionaqlly destroyed children and all these "heroes" of Penn State looked the other way. The sad thing is I suspect other scandals will come out at other Universities in time. How on earth did Paterno and others sleep at night? How did they live with themselves? I wonder if the boys were sons of wealthy donors would Paterno and others looked the other way or would just knowing wealthy parents would rip them a part and destroy their lives make them suddenly develop a sense of "ethics."

Have you read the news AT ALL? These were kids in a charity set up by Sandusky. They were vulnerable, troubled children. They most certainly not sons of wealthy donors.

Think PP was also emphasizing the vulnerability of the victims, ie, Paterno and others wouldn't have looked the other way if these were the children of wealthy donors rather than underprivileged children.

Oh, I misunderstood. My bad.