Med-free labor trend

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was that mother down the hall screaming without the meds. I chose to go that way since I had a difficult first labor with meds and they had to use a vacuum suction to get the baby out. I read up during my second pregnancy that getting meds during labor can slow down and complicate labor. The second was the worst pain of my life, but I was walking around in hours. I didn't comfortably walk around with my first for 6 weeks. To me, no meds the second time was the better option.

You are stupid, the ease of the second birth has nothing to do with meds or no meds. It has to do with the fact that your body has already endured the path from the first birth.

- MD

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are risks and benefits to both. I personally had an epidural and I'm glad i did because it probably saved my son's life. I had to have an emergency c-section because the umbilical cord was wrapped two times. It probably saved some time in the OR. However, the majority of the women probably don't NEED it as much as they want pain free birth (I was one of those). The meds certainly do pass to the baby through the placenta and I experienced a high number of side effects from it (problems with baby's heart rate, prolonged labor, itchiness, nausea, etc.). I can certainly see how some healthy women chose not to take the drugs.

Having the cord wrapped around the baby is not an emergency, though doctors refer to it in a scary fashion. Most babies are wrapped in their cords. You simply unwrap them. True cord compression is rare.

You are a fucking idiot. If the cord is kinked during birth it will cut off th supply of oxygen and blood to the baby. What the fuck is wrong with you people. Where do you get this information from? What hippy comune is teaching this.

from an MD

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:THe difference is in this debate only one side is judging the other. In the SAHM vs WOHM the judging contest is mutual.

I don't think moms who take the epidural give a shit or feel guilty about it. It's the ones who think they deserve recognition or validation for having gone without that set the tone.

I even know moms who opted for a vanity C... Personally I do judge that as it just seems lazy. But, not the moms who are realistic to know they may want pain medication.

I hear a lot about how ladies who have med-free births judge people who get epidurals, c-sections, etc. Every time someone at my office is pregnant, I hear about how judgy "my people" are, because right after my daughter was born, when my colleague asked, I told her that I didn't have any medication.

I admit that I have judged women based on their birth choices. A friend of a friend was induced and got an epidural almost immediately, then afterward bragged about "how great she was at being in labor". She went on at great length about how our experiences were the same, and honestly, they just were not. She was great at being in labor. But her labor and my labor were just different. Hers was easy and she spent it watching TV and posting on Facebook about how easy it was. Mine was really hard. I don't think that I'm any better or worse than she is at birthing babies - we both have great babies who have always been healthy. But our experiences were very different and mine was harder and her casual comments that they were basically the same were annoying and I judged her for them.

At the end of the day, though, I feel like I have heard a lot more "Why do you feel like you have to be a hero? Look at you with your crazy crunchy lifestyle choices! Do you think you deserve a medal or something" comments than I have of the "You're lazy and less of a mother for your epidural/c section/whatever" comments. Maybe that's just me, coming from where I'm coming from. If a mom is proud of her med-free labor, let her be proud. Be proud for her. Her choices don't say anything about yours. Be proud of yourself for however you did it. No matter how a baby is born, it's never "easy". There is always "labor" involved, whether it's medicated or not.

She was smarter than you. If you broke your arm would you go cast free cause it's natural? You are a fucking moron, you chose to forgo modern medicine and are complaining that your experience was more difficult? Did you take pliars and rip out your wisdom teeth because it's natural? People like you are distorting medical safety and are putting women's lives at risk. Please risk your own life perhaps darwanism will eventually take you our because you choose to advocate non modern technology or medicine.

[Anonymous]

Wow, this topic has been done to death, dug up and done again...

I had two med-free births because I wanted to experience labor/delivery fully (yes, even the pain) and have the best shot at avoiding a C-section. The first labor was great, the second was much harder, but I'd still skip the epidural if I had another one. I really don't care what anybody else does, as long as they are making an educated decision rather than just being terrified by people going "IT HURTS SO MUCH, YOU *NEED* AN EPIDURAL." If you want one, have one, but don't tell other people *they* can't do it without one. Clearly the experience is different for different people. To each her own.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Eh, I did natural labor, and it was 30 hours of hellish pain. Totally worth it. I think a lot of people don't have what it takes to endure and overcome trial and pain anymore. I'm as proud of overcoming 30 hours of pain as I am of other accomplishments. Just feels good to not have given up because I couldn't take it.

P.S. I completely, 100% support c-sections and other interventions when necessary. I just think it's sad so many women give up because they can't take the pain, and get epidurals. I know I'm weird, but that's my view, OP. I don't think you're a failure, I just think you should have stuck it out, much as I would think someone who trained for a marathon should cross the finish line.

Whenever I get migraines I go 24 hours with the blinding pain. Its's TOTALLY worth it. I mean people just don't have what it takes to endure and overcome trial and pain anymore. It is such an accomplishment each and every time I suffer through my migraines without pain meds. This goes for my kids too. When they get ear infections, I just tell them to suck it up, no Tylenol for them! They need to build some fucking character like it the olden days. Oh yea, we also have sheep and spin our own wool. So cool!

Not to feed the troll, but the pain experienced in childbirth has purpose, and is very different from the pain of injury or illness. It ebbs and flows, it eases and peaks, it falls away with position changes and counter pressure and warm and cold, in water and and under water, and it is not static--it changes second to second. Some moments can be excruciating, and some moments can be so relaxing, you fall asleep. One second you might feel utmost effort, and the next, complete peace. There is a moment in almost every woman's labor when everything, all that she is, silently screams "THERE IS NO WAY I CAN DO THIS," and that is the cue for observers that the baby is ready to be born. That moment is normal, expected, and necessary, because it takes an act of will to choose to participate in the pushing. You need to make a free will decision to let your body do what needs to be done.

There is nothing retro about the physiological process. Giving birth, having cycles, making love--all part of a woman's healthy reproductive life.

Who determined that the pain has a purpose and is different from pain or injury. You? What credentials do you have, did you study medicine or childbirth for 10 years, do you have a doctors degree in medicine, are you board certified, if the answer to any of the previous questions are no, GTFO.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow, this topic has been done to death, dug up and done again...

I had two med-free births because I wanted to experience labor/delivery fully (yes, even the pain) and have the best shot at avoiding a C-section. The first labor was great, the second was much harder, but I'd still skip the epidural if I had another one. I really don't care what anybody else does, as long as they are making an educated decision rather than just being terrified by people going "IT HURTS SO MUCH, YOU *NEED* AN EPIDURAL." If you want one, have one, but don't tell other people *they* can't do it without one. Clearly the experience is different for different people. To each her own.

Who is telling other people NOT do go into birth without an epidural?

The trend on the thread seems to be the Moms with unmedicated labors looking down their noses at everyone else. Listen, its not a merit badge if you want to torture yourself. If you want to do it, that's fine, but no one should have to give you props for doing something completely unnecessary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:THe difference is in this debate only one side is judging the other. In the SAHM vs WOHM the judging contest is mutual.

I don't think moms who take the epidural give a shit or feel guilty about it. It's the ones who think they deserve recognition or validation for having gone without that set the tone.

I even know moms who opted for a vanity C... Personally I do judge that as it just seems lazy. But, not the moms who are realistic to know they may want pain medication.

I hear a lot about how ladies who have med-free births judge people who get epidurals, c-sections, etc. Every time someone at my office is pregnant, I hear about how judgy "my people" are, because right after my daughter was born, when my colleague asked, I told her that I didn't have any medication.

I admit that I have judged women based on their birth choices. A friend of a friend was induced and got an epidural almost immediately, then afterward bragged about "how great she was at being in labor". She went on at great length about how our experiences were the same, and honestly, they just were not. She was great at being in labor. But her labor and my labor were just different. Hers was easy and she spent it watching TV and posting on Facebook about how easy it was. Mine was really hard. I don't think that I'm any better or worse than she is at birthing babies - we both have great babies who have always been healthy. But our experiences were very different and mine was harder and her casual comments that they were basically the same were annoying and I judged her for them.

At the end of the day, though, I feel like I have heard a lot more "Why do you feel like you have to be a hero? Look at you with your crazy crunchy lifestyle choices! Do you think you deserve a medal or something" comments than I have of the "You're lazy and less of a mother for your epidural/c section/whatever" comments. Maybe that's just me, coming from where I'm coming from. If a mom is proud of her med-free labor, let her be proud. Be proud for her. Her choices don't say anything about yours. Be proud of yourself for however you did it. No matter how a baby is born, it's never "easy". There is always "labor" involved, whether it's medicated or not.

She was smarter than you. If you broke your arm would you go cast free cause it's natural? You are a fucking moron, you chose to forgo modern medicine and are complaining that your experience was more difficult? Did you take pliars and rip out your wisdom teeth because it's natural? People like you are distorting medical safety and are putting women's lives at risk. Please risk your own life perhaps darwanism will eventually take you our because you choose to advocate non modern technology or medicine.

No, she was bragging. She gets to do that. It's fine. I took it personally, like you're clearly doing with what I posted. People do that. You'll notice that I didn't call you "a fucking moron" and I didn't accuse you of "putting women's lives at risk" when you did something that didn't have anything to do with me.

I'm not complaining that my experience was hard. It was great. Hard isn't always bad. Just like different isn't always bad. Get control of your anger issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow, this topic has been done to death, dug up and done again...

I had two med-free births because I wanted to experience labor/delivery fully (yes, even the pain) and have the best shot at avoiding a C-section. The first labor was great, the second was much harder, but I'd still skip the epidural if I had another one. I really don't care what anybody else does, as long as they are making an educated decision rather than just being terrified by people going "IT HURTS SO MUCH, YOU *NEED* AN EPIDURAL." If you want one, have one, but don't tell other people *they* can't do it without one. Clearly the experience is different for different people. To each her own.

Again, you are not responding with factual information, refusing an epidural does not decrease nor increase the chance of a C-section. The educated decision is that there is a safe prudent medical solution to the pain of child birth. Refusing to use it is pure ignorance and has been perpetuated by a community of ignorant people who don't have the education, knowledge or capacity to even speak or talk about childbirth. yes this is america and there is freedom of speach but when it jepordizes or harms people it needs to be addressed and stopped.

This is the stupidness of the natural birth crowd. Part of the problem is the naming, it shouldn't be called "natural" it should be called
"Primitive" or "Refuse modern medicine" crowd. What if you started bleeding out and needed a doctor would you just let it run it's course because it's natural? Please say yes so that there is one less of you spreading false information and fear into community.

[Anonymous]

How does a mother with a large litter of children find all this time to post on this site? I'm truly curious.

[Anonymous]

Dear MD on this thread,
It's clear you've brought a lot of vitriol with you to this page. Please leave.
Sincerely,
Expectant Mom Who Hopes You're Never Her Doc

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, this topic has been done to death, dug up and done again...

I had two med-free births because I wanted to experience labor/delivery fully (yes, even the pain) and have the best shot at avoiding a C-section. The first labor was great, the second was much harder, but I'd still skip the epidural if I had another one. I really don't care what anybody else does, as long as they are making an educated decision rather than just being terrified by people going "IT HURTS SO MUCH, YOU *NEED* AN EPIDURAL." If you want one, have one, but don't tell other people *they* can't do it without one. Clearly the experience is different for different people. To each her own.

Again, you are not responding with factual information, refusing an epidural does not decrease nor increase the chance of a C-section. The educated decision is that there is a safe prudent medical solution to the pain of child birth. Refusing to use it is pure ignorance and has been perpetuated by a community of ignorant people who don't have the education, knowledge or capacity to even speak or talk about childbirth. yes this is america and there is freedom of speach but when it jepordizes or harms people it needs to be addressed and stopped.

This is the stupidness of the natural birth crowd. Part of the problem is the naming, it shouldn't be called "natural" it should be called
"Primitive" or "Refuse modern medicine" crowd. What if you started bleeding out and needed a doctor would you just let it run it's course because it's natural? Please say yes so that there is one less of you spreading false information and fear into community.

Actually, it is YOU who is not responding with factual information. There is research suggesting that getting an epi before 5 cm increases the odds of needing a c-section. Getting an epi at 2 cm gives a woman a 50/50 chance.

[Anonymous]

Dr. Amy Tuteur seems to have stopped by DCUM today!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are risks and benefits to both. I personally had an epidural and I'm glad i did because it probably saved my son's life. I had to have an emergency c-section because the umbilical cord was wrapped two times. It probably saved some time in the OR. However, the majority of the women probably don't NEED it as much as they want pain free birth (I was one of those). The meds certainly do pass to the baby through the placenta and I experienced a high number of side effects from it (problems with baby's heart rate, prolonged labor, itchiness, nausea, etc.). I can certainly see how some healthy women chose not to take the drugs.

Having the cord wrapped around the baby is not an emergency, though doctors refer to it in a scary fashion. Most babies are wrapped in their cords. You simply unwrap them. True cord compression is rare.

You are a fucking idiot. If the cord is kinked during birth it will cut off th supply of oxygen and blood to the baby. What the fuck is wrong with you people. Where do you get this information from? What hippy comune is teaching this.

from an MD

Please tell us, wise MD, what percentage of nuchal cords lead to cord compression? And, what percentage of babies have a nuchal cord?

[Anonymous]

Nuchal cord article:

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/765837/is_the_cord_around_the_babys_neck_really.html?cat=52

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nuchal cord article:

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/765837/is_the_cord_around_the_babys_neck_really.html?cat=52

cherry pick 1 article from all, great idea.