Ivy worth full pay?

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why do people ask these kind of questions? to one ivy might be worth it for the price ... to another it might not ... if kid gets in to an ivy ... let the kid choose ... do you want to hear ... what if i went to an ivy ... might resent the parents for a long time for not letting the kid go to an ivy

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How many families are applying to schools they can't afford? The NPC is accurate. If you can't afford it, don't apply.

Families who in this late stage are still deciding if they can afford an accepted spot are screwing over other families and contributing to this insane vicious cycle of unpredictable yields > everyone applies to 15 schools > acceptance rates nose dive > anxiety goes through the roof > everyone applies to 30 schools > rinse repeat.

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Anonymous wrote:My DS got accepted to one of the Ivies—think Princeton, Yale, or Harvard—but we would have had to pay the full cost, around $100K per year. He also got accepted to University of Florida with a full ride (tuition plus room and board).

We told him that he could attend UF and have $400K+ (depending on investment growth) waiting for him at graduation, or he could attend the Ivy. Seven years earlier, one of his older brothers had been in the exact same situation and chose to attend an Ivy League school, which he later regretted. His $300K could have grown into several million dollars. We’re not wealthy, so while money isn’t everything, it’s important to be able to live a stress-free life.

My older DS advised his younger brother to take the $400K and attend UF, and he did. He’ll be a freshman at UF in a few months.

YMMV.

let's see what he thinks of his decision later.

i was full pay at HYP. no regrets!

PP here. Did you fully read what I wrote before commenting? DS older brother paid full tuition at HYP and regretted the decision.

It sounds like your entire family has bad judgment. Passing on H/Y/P for Florida, however, borders on criminally bad decision making. But here you are bragging about it.

DCUM never disappoints. WTF...

Having the money to send kid to an Ivy and instead sending to a school known for heavily relying on online classes is truly
a WTF decision.

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Anonymous wrote:My DS got accepted to one of the Ivies—think Princeton, Yale, or Harvard—but we would have had to pay the full cost, around $100K per year. He also got accepted to University of Florida with a full ride (tuition plus room and board).

We told him that he could attend UF and have $400K+ (depending on investment growth) waiting for him at graduation, or he could attend the Ivy. Seven years earlier, one of his older brothers had been in the exact same situation and chose to attend an Ivy League school, which he later regretted. His $300K could have grown into several million dollars. We’re not wealthy, so while money isn’t everything, it’s important to be able to live a stress-free life.

My older DS advised his younger brother to take the $400K and attend UF, and he did. He’ll be a freshman at UF in a few months.

YMMV.

let's see what he thinks of his decision later.

i was full pay at HYP. no regrets!

PP here. Did you fully read what I wrote before commenting? DS older brother paid full tuition at HYP and regretted the decision.

Yes I read it. Did you miss that I am a HYP grad with a lot more career years behind me than your son, and I disagree with him? I would never advise anyone to go to U Florida over an Ivy unless the Ivy was truly unaffordable.

I'm an Ivy graduate (double) and knew several people back in my day 30 years ago who turned down Ivies for much cheaper schools and all have done extremely well. I also know plenty who went to the Ivies and have done no better than had they gone to their flagships, ending up in nice UMC lives but not elite. And I also know people who went to Ivies who effectively failed to take off in life. There's more than you'd think.

The percent of Ivy, even HYP, grads who go on to elite outcomes is small, a minority of all HYP graduates.

UF is a pretty good state university. At one time I'd have agreed HYP and the other Ivies would offer better overall educational experience, but that's much more subjective these days, it is probably much easier to graduate from HYP with a mediocre to useless education nowadays. A bright kid can absolutely get a great education at a big flagship.

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Anonymous wrote:My DS got accepted to one of the Ivies—think Princeton, Yale, or Harvard—but we would have had to pay the full cost, around $100K per year. He also got accepted to University of Florida with a full ride (tuition plus room and board).

We told him that he could attend UF and have $400K+ (depending on investment growth) waiting for him at graduation, or he could attend the Ivy. Seven years earlier, one of his older brothers had been in the exact same situation and chose to attend an Ivy League school, which he later regretted. His $300K could have grown into several million dollars. We’re not wealthy, so while money isn’t everything, it’s important to be able to live a stress-free life.

My older DS advised his younger brother to take the $400K and attend UF, and he did. He’ll be a freshman at UF in a few months.

YMMV.

let's see what he thinks of his decision later.

i was full pay at HYP. no regrets!

PP here. Did you fully read what I wrote before commenting? DS older brother paid full tuition at HYP and regretted the decision.

Yes I read it. Did you miss that I am a HYP grad with a lot more career years behind me than your son, and I disagree with him? I would never advise anyone to go to U Florida over an Ivy unless the Ivy was truly unaffordable.

I'm an Ivy graduate (double) and knew several people back in my day 30 years ago who turned down Ivies for much cheaper schools and all have done extremely well. I also know plenty who went to the Ivies and have done no better than had they gone to their flagships, ending up in nice UMC lives but not elite. And I also know people who went to Ivies who effectively failed to take off in life. There's more than you'd think.

The percent of Ivy, even HYP, grads who go on to elite outcomes is small, a minority of all HYP graduates.

UF is a pretty good state university. At one time I'd have agreed HYP and the other Ivies would offer better overall educational experience, but that's much more subjective these days, it is probably much easier to graduate from HYP with a mediocre to useless education nowadays. A bright kid can absolutely get a great education at a big flagship.

But we aren’t talking about Cornell or Columbia. I attended a T10 college and T5 Ivy law school. The names alone have opened many doors for me. I did not attend Harvard but my spouse did. Take a look at the red books, you significantly underestimate the number of graduates with elite outcomes.

Florida has an ok reputation but because it provides free tuition to so many, is significantly underresourced and heavily relies on online classes. There are other schools that offer a high quality education beyond the elite universities. Florida just isn’t one of them.

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Anonymous wrote:why do people ask these kind of questions? to one ivy might be worth it for the price ... to another it might not ... if kid gets in to an ivy ... let the kid choose ... do you want to hear ... what if i went to an ivy ... might resent the parents for a long time for not letting the kid go to an ivy

We ask because we like to hear opinions and the logic behind them. It's not that deep.

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Anonymous wrote:My DS got accepted to one of the Ivies—think Princeton, Yale, or Harvard—but we would have had to pay the full cost, around $100K per year. He also got accepted to University of Florida with a full ride (tuition plus room and board).

We told him that he could attend UF and have $400K+ (depending on investment growth) waiting for him at graduation, or he could attend the Ivy. Seven years earlier, one of his older brothers had been in the exact same situation and chose to attend an Ivy League school, which he later regretted. His $300K could have grown into several million dollars. We’re not wealthy, so while money isn’t everything, it’s important to be able to live a stress-free life.

My older DS advised his younger brother to take the $400K and attend UF, and he did. He’ll be a freshman at UF in a few months.

YMMV.

let's see what he thinks of his decision later.

i was full pay at HYP. no regrets!

PP here. Did you fully read what I wrote before commenting? DS older brother paid full tuition at HYP and regretted the decision.

Yes I read it. Did you miss that I am a HYP grad with a lot more career years behind me than your son, and I disagree with him? I would never advise anyone to go to U Florida over an Ivy unless the Ivy was truly unaffordable.

I'm an Ivy graduate (double) and knew several people back in my day 30 years ago who turned down Ivies for much cheaper schools and all have done extremely well. I also know plenty who went to the Ivies and have done no better than had they gone to their flagships, ending up in nice UMC lives but not elite. And I also know people who went to Ivies who effectively failed to take off in life. There's more than you'd think.

The percent of Ivy, even HYP, grads who go on to elite outcomes is small, a minority of all HYP graduates.

UF is a pretty good state university. At one time I'd have agreed HYP and the other Ivies would offer better overall educational experience, but that's much more subjective these days, it is probably much easier to graduate from HYP with a mediocre to useless education nowadays. A bright kid can absolutely get a great education at a big flagship.

But we aren’t talking about Cornell or Columbia. I attended a T10 college and T5 Ivy law school. The names alone have opened many doors for me. I did not attend Harvard but my spouse did. Take a look at the red books, you significantly underestimate the number of graduates with elite outcomes.

Florida has an ok reputation but because it provides free tuition to so many, is significantly underresourced and heavily relies on online classes. There are other schools that offer a high quality education beyond the elite universities. Florida just isn’t one of them.

There are studies that show the majority of CEOs went to regular state universities.

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Anonymous wrote:My DS got accepted to one of the Ivies—think Princeton, Yale, or Harvard—but we would have had to pay the full cost, around $100K per year. He also got accepted to University of Florida with a full ride (tuition plus room and board).

We told him that he could attend UF and have $400K+ (depending on investment growth) waiting for him at graduation, or he could attend the Ivy. Seven years earlier, one of his older brothers had been in the exact same situation and chose to attend an Ivy League school, which he later regretted. His $300K could have grown into several million dollars. We’re not wealthy, so while money isn’t everything, it’s important to be able to live a stress-free life.

My older DS advised his younger brother to take the $400K and attend UF, and he did. He’ll be a freshman at UF in a few months.

YMMV.

let's see what he thinks of his decision later.

i was full pay at HYP. no regrets!

PP here. Did you fully read what I wrote before commenting? DS older brother paid full tuition at HYP and regretted the decision.

Yes I read it. Did you miss that I am a HYP grad with a lot more career years behind me than your son, and I disagree with him? I would never advise anyone to go to U Florida over an Ivy unless the Ivy was truly unaffordable.

I'm an Ivy graduate (double) and knew several people back in my day 30 years ago who turned down Ivies for much cheaper schools and all have done extremely well. I also know plenty who went to the Ivies and have done no better than had they gone to their flagships, ending up in nice UMC lives but not elite. And I also know people who went to Ivies who effectively failed to take off in life. There's more than you'd think.

The percent of Ivy, even HYP, grads who go on to elite outcomes is small, a minority of all HYP graduates.

UF is a pretty good state university. At one time I'd have agreed HYP and the other Ivies would offer better overall educational experience, but that's much more subjective these days, it is probably much easier to graduate from HYP with a mediocre to useless education nowadays. A bright kid can absolutely get a great education at a big flagship.

But we aren’t talking about Cornell or Columbia. I attended a T10 college and T5 Ivy law school. The names alone have opened many doors for me. I did not attend Harvard but my spouse did. Take a look at the red books, you significantly underestimate the number of graduates with elite outcomes.

Florida has an ok reputation but because it provides free tuition to so many, is significantly underresourced and heavily relies on online classes. There are other schools that offer a high quality education beyond the elite universities. Florida just isn’t one of them.

If you are capable enough to get accepted at HYP, you can get an elite outcome from elsewhere. These schools do not have a lock on elite outcomes. Chicken or egg situation.

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Anonymous wrote:If you can swing the cost, yes, definitely.

I am paying full price for an Ivy and feel great about it. I pay half tuition for another child’s lower ranked school and though it’s a “good” school I feel that the value isn’t there, even at a discounted cost. There is a huge dropoff in resources.

To add on - EVERY college is pinching pennies right now and making cuts. At a rich school there’s still so much leftover. At a less-rich school the food is noticeably worse than it was two years ago, dining hall hours are shorter, classes are harder to get, cool programs have been cut or “paused,” hiring is on hold and departments are short-staffed. The students feel the cuts and the overall experience is not what it was even a year or two ago.

What you described sounds like most liberal arts colleges, not the big state universities.

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Anonymous wrote:My DS got accepted to one of the Ivies—think Princeton, Yale, or Harvard—but we would have had to pay the full cost, around $100K per year. He also got accepted to University of Florida with a full ride (tuition plus room and board).

We told him that he could attend UF and have $400K+ (depending on investment growth) waiting for him at graduation, or he could attend the Ivy. Seven years earlier, one of his older brothers had been in the exact same situation and chose to attend an Ivy League school, which he later regretted. His $300K could have grown into several million dollars. We’re not wealthy, so while money isn’t everything, it’s important to be able to live a stress-free life.

My older DS advised his younger brother to take the $400K and attend UF, and he did. He’ll be a freshman at UF in a few months.

YMMV.

let's see what he thinks of his decision later.

i was full pay at HYP. no regrets!

PP here. Did you fully read what I wrote before commenting? DS older brother paid full tuition at HYP and regretted the decision.

Yes I read it. Did you miss that I am a HYP grad with a lot more career years behind me than your son, and I disagree with him? I would never advise anyone to go to U Florida over an Ivy unless the Ivy was truly unaffordable.

I'm an Ivy graduate (double) and knew several people back in my day 30 years ago who turned down Ivies for much cheaper schools and all have done extremely well. I also know plenty who went to the Ivies and have done no better than had they gone to their flagships, ending up in nice UMC lives but not elite. And I also know people who went to Ivies who effectively failed to take off in life. There's more than you'd think.

The percent of Ivy, even HYP, grads who go on to elite outcomes is small, a minority of all HYP graduates.

UF is a pretty good state university. At one time I'd have agreed HYP and the other Ivies would offer better overall educational experience, but that's much more subjective these days, it is probably much easier to graduate from HYP with a mediocre to useless education nowadays. A bright kid can absolutely get a great education at a big flagship.

But we aren’t talking about Cornell or Columbia. I attended a T10 college and T5 Ivy law school. The names alone have opened many doors for me. I did not attend Harvard but my spouse did. Take a look at the red books, you significantly underestimate the number of graduates with elite outcomes.

Florida has an ok reputation but because it provides free tuition to so many, is significantly underresourced and heavily relies on online classes. There are other schools that offer a high quality education beyond the elite universities. Florida just isn’t one of them.

There are studies that show the majority of CEOs went to regular state universities.

So what? There are literally millions more graduates of state universities. Now do presidents and Supreme Court justices.

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Anonymous wrote:My DS got accepted to one of the Ivies—think Princeton, Yale, or Harvard—but we would have had to pay the full cost, around $100K per year. He also got accepted to University of Florida with a full ride (tuition plus room and board).

We told him that he could attend UF and have $400K+ (depending on investment growth) waiting for him at graduation, or he could attend the Ivy. Seven years earlier, one of his older brothers had been in the exact same situation and chose to attend an Ivy League school, which he later regretted. His $300K could have grown into several million dollars. We’re not wealthy, so while money isn’t everything, it’s important to be able to live a stress-free life.

My older DS advised his younger brother to take the $400K and attend UF, and he did. He’ll be a freshman at UF in a few months.

YMMV.

let's see what he thinks of his decision later.

i was full pay at HYP. no regrets!

PP here. Did you fully read what I wrote before commenting? DS older brother paid full tuition at HYP and regretted the decision.

It sounds like your entire family has bad judgment. Passing on H/Y/P for Florida, however, borders on criminally bad decision making. But here you are bragging about it.

DCUM never disappoints. WTF...

Having the money to send kid to an Ivy and instead sending to a school known for heavily relying on online classes is truly
a WTF decision.

Truth. I doubt it is true.

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Anonymous wrote:Dartmouth seems to no longer use the waitlist due to insane yields. They offer the best FA of the ivies which has a lot to do with it.

Probably Columbia which I would pass on. Your cost will be inanely higher in NYC on down the line. Any other ivy I would do it.

Nah. Princeton offers the best FA.

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Anonymous wrote:If you can swing the cost, yes, definitely.

I am paying full price for an Ivy and feel great about it. I pay half tuition for another child’s lower ranked school and though it’s a “good” school I feel that the value isn’t there, even at a discounted cost. There is a huge dropoff in resources.

To add on - EVERY college is pinching pennies right now and making cuts. At a rich school there’s still so much leftover. At a less-rich school the food is noticeably worse than it was two years ago, dining hall hours are shorter, classes are harder to get, cool programs have been cut or “paused,” hiring is on hold and departments are short-staffed. The students feel the cuts and the overall experience is not what it was even a year or two ago.

What you described sounds like most liberal arts colleges, not the big state universities.

State universities are the most strapped since hurt by the federal research cuts to R1s, but under tremendous pressure to keep tuition affordable while also dealing with state budget cuts. The schools that promise free tuition to thousands of instate kids have it even worse.

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Anonymous wrote:My DS got accepted to one of the Ivies—think Princeton, Yale, or Harvard—but we would have had to pay the full cost, around $100K per year. He also got accepted to University of Florida with a full ride (tuition plus room and board).

We told him that he could attend UF and have $400K+ (depending on investment growth) waiting for him at graduation, or he could attend the Ivy. Seven years earlier, one of his older brothers had been in the exact same situation and chose to attend an Ivy League school, which he later regretted. His $300K could have grown into several million dollars. We’re not wealthy, so while money isn’t everything, it’s important to be able to live a stress-free life.

My older DS advised his younger brother to take the $400K and attend UF, and he did. He’ll be a freshman at UF in a few months.

YMMV.

let's see what he thinks of his decision later.

i was full pay at HYP. no regrets!

PP here. Did you fully read what I wrote before commenting? DS older brother paid full tuition at HYP and regretted the decision.

Yes I read it. Did you miss that I am a HYP grad with a lot more career years behind me than your son, and I disagree with him? I would never advise anyone to go to U Florida over an Ivy unless the Ivy was truly unaffordable.

I'm an Ivy graduate (double) and knew several people back in my day 30 years ago who turned down Ivies for much cheaper schools and all have done extremely well. I also know plenty who went to the Ivies and have done no better than had they gone to their flagships, ending up in nice UMC lives but not elite. And I also know people who went to Ivies who effectively failed to take off in life. There's more than you'd think.

The percent of Ivy, even HYP, grads who go on to elite outcomes is small, a minority of all HYP graduates.

UF is a pretty good state university. At one time I'd have agreed HYP and the other Ivies would offer better overall educational experience, but that's much more subjective these days, it is probably much easier to graduate from HYP with a mediocre to useless education nowadays. A bright kid can absolutely get a great education at a big flagship.

But we aren’t talking about Cornell or Columbia. I attended a T10 college and T5 Ivy law school. The names alone have opened many doors for me. I did not attend Harvard but my spouse did. Take a look at the red books, you significantly underestimate the number of graduates with elite outcomes.

Florida has an ok reputation but because it provides free tuition to so many, is significantly underresourced and heavily relies on online classes. There are other schools that offer a high quality education beyond the elite universities. Florida just isn’t one of them.

Columbia is the 3rd best ivy for HYS law school admission, and the second best for finance placement. Cornell is the best engineering school in the ivies, and the second best undergrad business school.

If you can afford any of these schools you would be mistaken for not going. Florida is great, but they don't have Goldman, JP, Apollo doing weekly recruiting events like they do at Columbia. They don't have the access that Cornell does.

It depends on what your aspirations are.

If you want to be a big deal in florida law or politics, florida is a great school (I mean this sincerely, not as a sleight). You aren't getting a job with JP Morgan in london from there, though. You will with Cornell and Columbia--or any other ivy.

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Anonymous wrote:My DS got accepted to one of the Ivies—think Princeton, Yale, or Harvard—but we would have had to pay the full cost, around $100K per year. He also got accepted to University of Florida with a full ride (tuition plus room and board).

We told him that he could attend UF and have $400K+ (depending on investment growth) waiting for him at graduation, or he could attend the Ivy. Seven years earlier, one of his older brothers had been in the exact same situation and chose to attend an Ivy League school, which he later regretted. His $300K could have grown into several million dollars. We’re not wealthy, so while money isn’t everything, it’s important to be able to live a stress-free life.

My older DS advised his younger brother to take the $400K and attend UF, and he did. He’ll be a freshman at UF in a few months.

YMMV.

let's see what he thinks of his decision later.

i was full pay at HYP. no regrets!

PP here. Did you fully read what I wrote before commenting? DS older brother paid full tuition at HYP and regretted the decision.

Yes I read it. Did you miss that I am a HYP grad with a lot more career years behind me than your son, and I disagree with him? I would never advise anyone to go to U Florida over an Ivy unless the Ivy was truly unaffordable.

I'm an Ivy graduate (double) and knew several people back in my day 30 years ago who turned down Ivies for much cheaper schools and all have done extremely well. I also know plenty who went to the Ivies and have done no better than had they gone to their flagships, ending up in nice UMC lives but not elite. And I also know people who went to Ivies who effectively failed to take off in life. There's more than you'd think.

The percent of Ivy, even HYP, grads who go on to elite outcomes is small, a minority of all HYP graduates.

UF is a pretty good state university. At one time I'd have agreed HYP and the other Ivies would offer better overall educational experience, but that's much more subjective these days, it is probably much easier to graduate from HYP with a mediocre to useless education nowadays. A bright kid can absolutely get a great education at a big flagship.

But we aren’t talking about Cornell or Columbia. I attended a T10 college and T5 Ivy law school. The names alone have opened many doors for me. I did not attend Harvard but my spouse did. Take a look at the red books, you significantly underestimate the number of graduates with elite outcomes.

Florida has an ok reputation but because it provides free tuition to so many, is significantly underresourced and heavily relies on online classes. There are other schools that offer a high quality education beyond the elite universities. Florida just isn’t one of them.

If you are capable enough to get accepted at HYP, you can get an elite outcome from elsewhere. These schools do not have a lock on elite outcomes. Chicken or egg situation.

Not true, peer group, networking opportunities, and prestige factor on resumes not the same. If your talented enough to get into an Ivy, you will probably do fine in life, but that does not mean that you would not have done even better from a higher launching point.