If there were no believers would the world be better or just as bad for different reasons?

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Anonymous wrote:Christians are the highest contributors to charity and community volunteering. Life would a lot different without them.

Without Christians giving to Charities, we'd just have good people giving to charities which would hopefully include the former Christians. Could be, though, that Christians only would give to and volunteer for CHRISTIAN causes, thus helping them get into heaven, which is every Christian's goal.

Are you genuinely uninformed or just make up stuff like this for fun? Are you the Santa fairy person too? Tinkerbell died because you didn't clap. Mary Martin was very sad.

Are you suggesting that getting into heaven is NOT every Christian's goal? Granted, some people are just plain good. However, if they are also Christian, they believe that their good works will get them into heaven when they die. Somehow, they think they're different from other living things, like their precious pets that they "put to sleep" when they're old and sick.

DP

You are incorrect concerning the true fundamentals of Christianity:

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast. (Ephesians 2:8)

Nobody is “just plain good”.

…there is none good but one, that is, God. (Mark 10:18)

And we are different from animals (which we did not evolve from):

All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. (1 Corinthians 15:39)

God sees is as more valuable than animals because we are made in the image of God.

Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows. (Matthew 10:31)

The other religions are the ones that depend upon a person’s good works, not grace.

Hinduism: heaven (svarga) is achieved through performing good deeds.

Buddhism: Nirvana is achieved by doing good deeds and practicing compassion.

Islam: Jannah is achieved by faith in Allah and doing good deeds.

Reformed Judaism: there is no heaven.

Orthodox Judaism: One gets to heaven by good works (mitzvahs).

There are not multiple paths to heaven, only one:

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John 14:6)

The above is fact only if you believe the Bible. The Christian Bible - and many religions. I don't. I don't think I'm going to heaven and neither is anybody else. We all were lucky to be born and when we're dead, we're dead.

Also Luther was reacting to people abusing works so he deemphasized works. Every religion is both trying to deal with their current times and reacting to what's not working on the ground at the time.

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Anonymous wrote:Christians are the highest contributors to charity and community volunteering. Life would a lot different without them.

Without Christians giving to Charities, we'd just have good people giving to charities which would hopefully include the former Christians. Could be, though, that Christians only would give to and volunteer for CHRISTIAN causes, thus helping them get into heaven, which is every Christian's goal.

Are you genuinely uninformed or just make up stuff like this for fun? Are you the Santa fairy person too? Tinkerbell died because you didn't clap. Mary Martin was very sad.

Are you suggesting that getting into heaven is NOT every Christian's goal? Granted, some people are just plain good. However, if they are also Christian, they believe that their good works will get them into heaven when they die. Somehow, they think they're different from other living things, like their precious pets that they "put to sleep" when they're old and sick.

DP

You are incorrect concerning the true fundamentals of Christianity:

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast. (Ephesians 2:8)

Nobody is “just plain good”.

…there is none good but one, that is, God. (Mark 10:18)

And we are different from animals (which we did not evolve from):

All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. (1 Corinthians 15:39)

God sees is as more valuable than animals because we are made in the image of God.

Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows. (Matthew 10:31)

The other religions are the ones that depend upon a person’s good works, not grace.

Hinduism: heaven (svarga) is achieved through performing good deeds.

Buddhism: Nirvana is achieved by doing good deeds and practicing compassion.

Islam: Jannah is achieved by faith in Allah and doing good deeds.

Reformed Judaism: there is no heaven.

Orthodox Judaism: One gets to heaven by good works (mitzvahs).

There are not multiple paths to heaven, only one:

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John 14:6)

FO Matthew. I’d like to speak to your boss.

[Anonymous]

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Christians in the US support a child sexual abuser and a criminal liar. While hiding behind their bibles. They support controlling women as well.
The answers is religion is a cult therefore no need for that crap

They are not real Christians.

I say worse, because what appears to be the alternative is self-absorption and no moral center - in most cases that I have observed. Moral “flexibility” if you will. No real guidelines for what makes up a worthwhile life.

You opinion that "they are not real Christians" doesn't matter, because they have all the power right now.

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Anonymous wrote:Christians are the highest contributors to charity and community volunteering. Life would a lot different without them.

Without Christians giving to Charities, we'd just have good people giving to charities which would hopefully include the former Christians. Could be, though, that Christians only would give to and volunteer for CHRISTIAN causes, thus helping them get into heaven, which is every Christian's goal.

Are you genuinely uninformed or just make up stuff like this for fun? Are you the Santa fairy person too? Tinkerbell died because you didn't clap. Mary Martin was very sad.

Are you suggesting that getting into heaven is NOT every Christian's goal? Granted, some people are just plain good. However, if they are also Christian, they believe that their good works will get them into heaven when they die. Somehow, they think they're different from other living things, like their precious pets that they "put to sleep" when they're old and sick.

DP

You are incorrect concerning the true fundamentals of Christianity:

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast. (Ephesians 2:8)

Nobody is “just plain good”.

…there is none good but one, that is, God. (Mark 10:18)

And we are different from animals (which we did not evolve from):

All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. (1 Corinthians 15:39)

God sees is as more valuable than animals because we are made in the image of God.

Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows. (Matthew 10:31)

The other religions are the ones that depend upon a person’s good works, not grace.

Hinduism: heaven (svarga) is achieved through performing good deeds.

Buddhism: Nirvana is achieved by doing good deeds and practicing compassion.

Islam: Jannah is achieved by faith in Allah and doing good deeds.

Reformed Judaism: there is no heaven.

Orthodox Judaism: One gets to heaven by good works (mitzvahs).

There are not multiple paths to heaven, only one:

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John 14:6)

FO Matthew. I’d like to speak to your boss.

And so you shall, per Romans 14:11

For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Christians are the highest contributors to charity and community volunteering. Life would a lot different without them.

Without Christians giving to Charities, we'd just have good people giving to charities which would hopefully include the former Christians. Could be, though, that Christians only would give to and volunteer for CHRISTIAN causes, thus helping them get into heaven, which is every Christian's goal.

Are you genuinely uninformed or just make up stuff like this for fun? Are you the Santa fairy person too? Tinkerbell died because you didn't clap. Mary Martin was very sad.

Are you suggesting that getting into heaven is NOT every Christian's goal? Granted, some people are just plain good. However, if they are also Christian, they believe that their good works will get them into heaven when they die. Somehow, they think they're different from other living things, like their precious pets that they "put to sleep" when they're old and sick.

DP

You are incorrect concerning the true fundamentals of Christianity:

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast. (Ephesians 2:8)

Nobody is “just plain good”.

…there is none good but one, that is, God. (Mark 10:18)

And we are different from animals (which we did not evolve from):

All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. (1 Corinthians 15:39)

God sees is as more valuable than animals because we are made in the image of God.

Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows. (Matthew 10:31)

The other religions are the ones that depend upon a person’s good works, not grace.

Hinduism: heaven (svarga) is achieved through performing good deeds.

Buddhism: Nirvana is achieved by doing good deeds and practicing compassion.

Islam: Jannah is achieved by faith in Allah and doing good deeds.

Reformed Judaism: there is no heaven.

Orthodox Judaism: One gets to heaven by good works (mitzvahs).

There are not multiple paths to heaven, only one:

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John 14:6)

FO Matthew. I’d like to speak to your boss.

And so you shall, per Romans 14:11

For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

IOW his boss is God - who doesn't exist. SO don't worry. PP is just taking big. There's no substance there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Christians are the highest contributors to charity and community volunteering. Life would a lot different without them.

Without Christians giving to Charities, we'd just have good people giving to charities which would hopefully include the former Christians. Could be, though, that Christians only would give to and volunteer for CHRISTIAN causes, thus helping them get into heaven, which is every Christian's goal.

Are you genuinely uninformed or just make up stuff like this for fun? Are you the Santa fairy person too? Tinkerbell died because you didn't clap. Mary Martin was very sad.

Are you suggesting that getting into heaven is NOT every Christian's goal? Granted, some people are just plain good. However, if they are also Christian, they believe that their good works will get them into heaven when they die. Somehow, they think they're different from other living things, like their precious pets that they "put to sleep" when they're old and sick.

There is a spectrum of beliefs that people who identify as christian can have. Picking the "orthodox" denominations dogma doesn't include EVERY ONE OF THEM. So can't you just make your points without overgeneralizing? Or is that too hard.

I identify as christian. I do not believe heaven is a place to get into. It is a state of consciousness that I can in principle experience now. Divine Order. And has everything to do with trusting and relying on God in all things, affirming wholeness, harmony, wisdom, abundance, and peace and not a damn thing to do with ticket punching performative "works." Unity.

[Anonymous]

So how does that look in practice?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So how does that look in practice?

I wrote a long reply that wouldn't post. No idea why.
But in short, starting my day with affirmations about trusting and relying on God, co-creating Divine Order (wholeness, harmony, wisdom, abundance and peace) make me less stressed and controlling. Thus my day is better and I am less unkind, impatient, unloving, ungrateful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Christians are the highest contributors to charity and community volunteering. Life would a lot different without them.

Without Christians giving to Charities, we'd just have good people giving to charities which would hopefully include the former Christians. Could be, though, that Christians only would give to and volunteer for CHRISTIAN causes, thus helping them get into heaven, which is every Christian's goal.

Are you genuinely uninformed or just make up stuff like this for fun? Are you the Santa fairy person too? Tinkerbell died because you didn't clap. Mary Martin was very sad.

Are you suggesting that getting into heaven is NOT every Christian's goal? Granted, some people are just plain good. However, if they are also Christian, they believe that their good works will get them into heaven when they die. Somehow, they think they're different from other living things, like their precious pets that they "put to sleep" when they're old and sick.

There is a spectrum of beliefs that people who identify as christian can have. Picking the "orthodox" denominations dogma doesn't include EVERY ONE OF THEM. So can't you just make your points without overgeneralizing? Or is that too hard.

I identify as christian. I do not believe heaven is a place to get into. It is a state of consciousness that I can in principle experience now. Divine Order. And has everything to do with trusting and relying on God in all things, affirming wholeness, harmony, wisdom, abundance, and peace and not a damn thing to do with ticket punching performative "works." Unity.

YOu may not think of heaven as a place to get into, but plenty of people do and some of them think that following the rules of only their religion will get them in.

[Anonymous]

That's true.
So we are in perfect agreement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That's true.
So we are in perfect agreement.

What are you responding to?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So how does that look in practice?

I wrote a long reply that wouldn't post. No idea why.
But in short, starting my day with affirmations about trusting and relying on God, co-creating Divine Order (wholeness, harmony, wisdom, abundance and peace) make me less stressed and controlling. Thus my day is better and I am less unkind, impatient, unloving, ungrateful.

So, do you believe in God? It sounds like you're using the idea of God to make yourself feel better.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Christians are the highest contributors to charity and community volunteering. Life would a lot different without them.

Without Christians giving to Charities, we'd just have good people giving to charities which would hopefully include the former Christians. Could be, though, that Christians only would give to and volunteer for CHRISTIAN causes, thus helping them get into heaven, which is every Christian's goal.

Are you genuinely uninformed or just make up stuff like this for fun? Are you the Santa fairy person too? Tinkerbell died because you didn't clap. Mary Martin was very sad.

Are you suggesting that getting into heaven is NOT every Christian's goal? Granted, some people are just plain good. However, if they are also Christian, they believe that their good works will get them into heaven when they die. Somehow, they think they're different from other living things, like their precious pets that they "put to sleep" when they're old and sick.

There is a spectrum of beliefs that people who identify as christian can have. Picking the "orthodox" denominations dogma doesn't include EVERY ONE OF THEM. So can't you just make your points without overgeneralizing? Or is that too hard.

I identify as christian. I do not believe heaven is a place to get into. It is a state of consciousness that I can in principle experience now. Divine Order. And has everything to do with trusting and relying on God in all things, affirming wholeness, harmony, wisdom, abundance, and peace and not a damn thing to do with ticket punching performative "works." Unity.

YOu may not think of heaven as a place to get into, but plenty of people do and some of them think that following the rules of only their religion will get them in.

This is what I was responding to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So how does that look in practice?

I wrote a long reply that wouldn't post. No idea why.
But in short, starting my day with affirmations about trusting and relying on God, co-creating Divine Order (wholeness, harmony, wisdom, abundance and peace) make me less stressed and controlling. Thus my day is better and I am less unkind, impatient, unloving, ungrateful.

So, do you believe in God? It sounds like you're using the idea of God to make yourself feel better.

Yes I do believe in God. Someone asked me what my religious practice looked like. I am the 15:06 PP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So how does that look in practice?

I wrote a long reply that wouldn't post. No idea why.
But in short, starting my day with affirmations about trusting and relying on God, co-creating Divine Order (wholeness, harmony, wisdom, abundance and peace) make me less stressed and controlling. Thus my day is better and I am less unkind, impatient, unloving, ungrateful.

So, do you believe in God? It sounds like you're using the idea of God to make yourself feel better.

Yes I do believe in God. Someone asked me what my religious practice looked like. I am the 15:06 PP

Me again. Posted this link in another thread.
It's Unity.
https://www.unitylansing.org/what-does-unity-believe#:~:text=20%20Questions%20